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			<title>Bill on "Waiting list, what waiting list?"</title>
			<link>http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/waiting-list-what-waiting-list#post-20797</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 12:08:03 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;Don't see how we can go in for Costa - he's basically a impact sub for Donesk!!
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			<title>ichiro on "Waiting list, what waiting list?"</title>
			<link>http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/waiting-list-what-waiting-list#post-20794</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 12 Mar 2011 11:18:35 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>ichiro</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;div class=&#34;wpbb_anonymous_userinfo&#34;&#62;Posted by unregistered user: &#60;span class=&#34;wpbb_anonymous_userinfo_name&#34;&#62;ichiro&#60;/span&#62;&#60;/div&#62;&#60;p&#62;good advert though&#60;/p&#62;</description>
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			<title>uncleknobheadffs on "Waiting list, what waiting list?"</title>
			<link>http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/waiting-list-what-waiting-list#post-20745</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 12:54:45 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>uncleknobheadffs</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;so gill reckons one in every thirty or so people worldwide supports utd?
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			<title>mongoletsi on "Waiting list, what waiting list?"</title>
			<link>http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/waiting-list-what-waiting-list#post-20739</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 10:20:21 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>mongoletsi</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;div class=&#34;wpbb_anonymous_userinfo&#34;&#62;Posted by unregistered user: &#60;span class=&#34;wpbb_anonymous_userinfo_name&#34;&#62;mongoletsi&#60;/span&#62;&#60;/div&#62;&#60;p&#62;Herbs, the Costa thing is hardly new.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;And how can you say Fergie takes too long, when we see how quickly he moved to secure Bebe?&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;It was my understanding that no fee had been agreed and no official approach had been made.&#60;/p&#62;</description>
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			<title>herbie simms on "Waiting list, what waiting list?"</title>
			<link>http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/waiting-list-what-waiting-list#post-20735</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 03:19:03 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>herbie simms</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;div class=&#34;wpbb_anonymous_userinfo&#34;&#62;Posted by unregistered user: &#60;span class=&#34;wpbb_anonymous_userinfo_name&#34;&#62;herbie simms&#60;/span&#62;&#60;/div&#62;&#60;p&#62;I see Man City are trying to snatch Douglas Costa from the hands of Ferguson. Mancini claims he is interested in signing the playmaker and will put in a bid. Gee, I really hope not because this will be a big plus for Man City. Costa has stated that he was waiting on Man Utd as there had been some talk between his agent and United. Shakhtar Donetsk had agreed to sell him for 14 million pounds and Fergie was satisfied with that but Fergie takes too long to close deals and then he complains when someone else comes along and snatches the player. But   money talks and Man City has lots of money to spend. If we can get Douglas Costa and Gareth Bale, we will be rocking next season.&#60;/p&#62;</description>
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			<title>MS on "Waiting list, what waiting list?"</title>
			<link>http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/waiting-list-what-waiting-list#post-20734</link>
			<pubDate>Fri, 11 Mar 2011 01:19:59 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>MS</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;div class=&#34;wpbb_anonymous_userinfo&#34;&#62;Posted by unregistered user: &#60;span class=&#34;wpbb_anonymous_userinfo_name&#34;&#62;MS&#60;/span&#62;&#60;/div&#62;&#60;p&#62;Gill and Ferguson are a disgrace, and fans allow them to bully them, and are nothing but sheep party liners.   Because Man United fans won&#38;#8217;t stand up and be counted, and it is the FAN sheep at OT that have finished up getting exactly what they deserve &#38;#8211; AN INFERIOR PRODUCT of football on the field, and a hoop through their noses saying pay pay pay or we will sell the tics off to the corporate one day travel visit merchants.   I&#38;#8217;ve loved United like my family all my life, but they can feck off if they think I am coughing up any longer to watch Fergie&#38;#8217;s snooze football every week.   Our team have become so bland, that Man United will soon not be able to do their BRAND marketing.   All the excitement has LONG GONE from our beloved Man UNited.&#60;/p&#62;</description>
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			<title>ja on "Waiting list, what waiting list?"</title>
			<link>http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/waiting-list-what-waiting-list#post-20727</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 22:04:34 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>ja</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;div class=&#34;wpbb_anonymous_userinfo&#34;&#62;Posted by unregistered user: &#60;span class=&#34;wpbb_anonymous_userinfo_name&#34;&#62;ja&#60;/span&#62;&#60;/div&#62;&#60;p&#62;I vowed never to knowingly give the Glazers a penny. And am entirely happy with that decision which becomes increasingly vindicated for every season of lies that continues. Until those parasites are gone, and I include Gill in that description, I will never set foot in Old Trafford.&#60;/p&#62;</description>
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			<title>Alfonso Bedoya on "Waiting list, what waiting list?"</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:49:33 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Alfonso Bedoya</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;As much as I loathe Gill... can you imagine if Kenyon was the lap dog that fronted for the Glazers???&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Kenyon makes Gill look like &#34;one of us&#34;...
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			<title>bruce thomas on "Waiting list, what waiting list?"</title>
			<link>http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/waiting-list-what-waiting-list#post-20724</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:43:37 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>bruce thomas</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;div class=&#34;wpbb_anonymous_userinfo&#34;&#62;Posted by unregistered user: &#60;span class=&#34;wpbb_anonymous_userinfo_name&#34;&#62;bruce thomas&#60;/span&#62;&#60;/div&#62;&#60;p&#62;Kenyon was a cunt&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Glazers are cunts&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Gill is a cunt&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Ferguson is in danger of becoming one.  We shouldn&#38;#8217;t forget that it was him arguing over a test-tube of horse spunk that triggered the sale of the club which allowed the Glazers in.  Magnier and Mc Manus sure got the last laught there.&#60;/p&#62;</description>
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			<title>Bill on "Waiting list, what waiting list?"</title>
			<link>http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/waiting-list-what-waiting-list#post-20720</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:13:14 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Bill</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;div class=&#34;wpbb_anonymous_userinfo&#34;&#62;Posted by unregistered user: &#60;span class=&#34;wpbb_anonymous_userinfo_name&#34;&#62;Bill&#60;/span&#62;&#60;/div&#62;&#60;p&#62;Gill = Kenyon part 2! Corporate monkeys all of them!&#60;/p&#62;</description>
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			<title>Alfonso Bedoya on "Waiting list, what waiting list?"</title>
			<link>http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/waiting-list-what-waiting-list#post-20719</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 21:11:30 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Alfonso Bedoya</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;The whole lot of them are a disgrace...&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;During his House of Commons speach, he defended the Glazers, saying that, yes they need £40mill odd, to service the debt, but the Glazers have increased revenues to nearly £100mill... so that was proof of their positive contribution to the club.  &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Well where the fuck did all that extra money come from Davey? You twat...He makes it sound like the Glazers have applied hard graft and ingenuity to make the club more profitable... he didn't bother to mention how they've squeezed the common fan till his eyes pop.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;He also said...&#60;br /&#62;
&#34;Not everyone hates the owners,&#34; Gill said on Sky Sports News. &#34;They're well-organised. They're very domestic.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;&#34;We've done studies that show we have 333million followers from around the world. We get thousands of emails, we got 36,000 phone calls last month.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;&#34;(Look at) the success we've delivered on the pitch in the last five years - seven trophies since they've taken over.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;&#34;A lot of the fans want to ensure that there's money to be spent on the team, that they come to a safe, modern stadia, that (United) play exciting, attractive football. And I think we've delivered on those accounts.&#34;&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Gill also defended the owners' choice not to communicate directly with the fans, insisting that task has been delegated to the board and to manager Sir Alex Ferguson. &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;What a load of manipulated horeshit... Manchester United has 333 million fans... it has fuck all to do with the Glazers... thousands of e-mails and phone calls... I wonder how many of them call just to tell Gill he's &#34;a cunt and should fuck off&#34;... the success on the pitch has been in spite of the Glazers, not because fo them... and how he can call what we've been watching this season &#34;attractive football&#34;... ffs...&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;That's wht he earns the &#34;big bucks&#34; though... proper company man is Gill.
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			<title>red rag to a bull on "Waiting list, what waiting list?"</title>
			<link>http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/waiting-list-what-waiting-list#post-20718</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:47:34 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>red rag to a bull</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;div class=&#34;wpbb_anonymous_userinfo&#34;&#62;Posted by unregistered user: &#60;span class=&#34;wpbb_anonymous_userinfo_name&#34;&#62;red rag to a bull&#60;/span&#62;&#60;/div&#62;&#60;p&#62;It&#38;#8217;s sad, the email was a joke. perhaps when they start buying some players worthy of the shirt, things might chnagte. anyone think fergie is on a profit share too? just going through the motions of a season that promised nothing and will end up with nothing. i love the club, but it&#38;#8217;s all based on ridiculous emotion and a great history. glazers out!!!!&#60;/p&#62;</description>
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			<title>Glazers out on "Waiting list, what waiting list?"</title>
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			<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 20:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Glazers out</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;div class=&#34;wpbb_anonymous_userinfo&#34;&#62;Posted by unregistered user: &#60;span class=&#34;wpbb_anonymous_userinfo_name&#34;&#62;Glazers out&#60;/span&#62;&#60;/div&#62;&#60;p&#62;The yanks have killed the heart off manutd but no yanks will ever stop me going to Old Trafford thats why they want sell cause they want sell but I have stoped buting thing from speending around 1000 a year on T-shirts and otger things like that&#60;/p&#62;</description>
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			<title>Danny Salford Red on "Waiting list, what waiting list?"</title>
			<link>http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/waiting-list-what-waiting-list#post-20715</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:55:39 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Danny Salford Red</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;div class=&#34;wpbb_anonymous_userinfo&#34;&#62;Posted by unregistered user: &#60;span class=&#34;wpbb_anonymous_userinfo_name&#34;&#62;Danny Salford Red&#60;/span&#62;&#60;/div&#62;&#60;p&#62;Gill is full of shit as he has proven the other day with his net transfer spend bullshit.&#60;/p&#62;</description>
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			<title>sidney on "Waiting list, what waiting list?"</title>
			<link>http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/waiting-list-what-waiting-list#post-20713</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:20:04 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>sidney</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;The phrase &#34;waiting list&#34; suggests there is massive demand which helps persuade fans to cough up their hard earned in case tickets sell out&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;What pisses me off is the way the club do not consult fans when they make drastic changes. They just run with it and expect you pay.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;And Gill thinks this is perfectly reasonable behaviour &#60;a href=&#34;http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/9419127.stm&#34; rel=&#34;nofollow&#34;&#62;http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/9419127.stm&#60;/a&#62;
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			<title>Ed on "Waiting list, what waiting list?"</title>
			<link>http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/waiting-list-what-waiting-list#post-20708</link>
			<pubDate>Thu, 10 Mar 2011 19:10:12 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;blockquote&#62;&#60;p&#62;There is a school of thought that believes, in summary, football fans are little more than sheep, blindly following the club&#38;#8217;s will &#38;#8216;support&#38;#8217; of their team. Fans pay a huge price premium over similar sources of entertainment: films, music, plays and so on. Meanwhile, supporters willingly spend £50 or more a season on &#38;#8216;official&#38;#8217; shirts that cost a fraction to produce.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Indeed, economists describe this behaviour as price inelastic: demand for tickets and other commercial goods associated with football does not fall in line with price rises. Like cigarettes and heroin, football is a drug that supporters will not easily give up.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Yet, thousands of Manchester United supporters have done just that in the past five years. Walking away from the club and their season tickets as the impact of more than 50 per cent price rises took hold. So much so that for the first time in memory United failed to sell all available season tickets for the 2010/11 season. The once mythical waiting list simply vanished in a summer; the Glazers having eroded an estimated 30,000 supporters from the base.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Why then does the club persist in pendling the tired &#38;#8216;waiting list line&#38;#8217; in its marketing, which has begun in earnest for the 2011/12 season? Why? Because we are sheep&#38;#8230;&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;&#60;a href=&#34;http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Solus_Tickets_ST_WaitingList_090311.jpg&#34;&#62;&#60;img class=&#34;size-full wp-image-16791 aligncenter&#34; title=&#34;Season Ticket &#38;quot;Waiting List&#38;quot;&#34; src=&#34;http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/Solus_Tickets_ST_WaitingList_090311.jpg&#34; alt=&#34;Season Ticket &#38;quot;Waiting List&#38;quot;&#34; width=&#34;500&#34; height=&#34;708&#34; /&#62;&#60;/a&#62;&#60;/p&#62;&#60;/blockquote&#62;
&#60;p&#62;&#60;br/&#62;&#60;a href=&#34;http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/shorts/waiting-list-what-waiting-list/&#34;&#62;Waiting list, what waiting list?&#60;/a&#62;&#60;/p&#62;</description>
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			<title>captainhormone on "So who was lying Mr. Gill?"</title>
			<link>http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/so-who-was-lying-mr-gill/page/3#post-5592</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 17:26:33 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>captainhormone</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;Again....knobhead, dont let the facts cloud the mongs opportunity of an arguement/glazer shagfest
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			<title>uncleknobheadffs on "So who was lying Mr. Gill?"</title>
			<link>http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/so-who-was-lying-mr-gill/page/2#post-5590</link>
			<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 16:30:17 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>uncleknobheadffs</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;the team that won loads of stuff was built pre glazer, the glazer era teams being put together now, it features players like berbatov valencia and hernandez, its not very good
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			<title>Alfonso Bedoya on "So who was lying Mr. Gill?"</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 16:17:18 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Alfonso Bedoya</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;blockquote&#62;&#60;p&#62;&#60;cite&#62;Unregistered User &#60;a href=&#34;http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/so-who-was-lying-mr-gill/page/2#post-5587&#34;&#62;said&#60;/a&#62;:&#60;/cite&#62;&#60;br /&#62;
And yet in terms of on field success, you could argue that we were more successful under the American ownership given that the champions league was secured in addition to the 3 league titles in the given period. Goes to show, you won&#38;#8217;t always buy success
&#60;/p&#62;&#60;/blockquote&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Ronaldo!&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;We had the best player in the world during all that success... where is he now?
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			<title>Anonymous on "So who was lying Mr. Gill?"</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 13:57:44 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;And yet in terms of on field success, you could argue that we were more successful under the American ownership given that the champions league was secured in addition to the 3 league titles in the given period. Goes to show, you won&#38;#8217;t always buy success&#60;/p&#62;</description>
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			<title>uncleknobheadffs on "So who was lying Mr. Gill?"</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 12:54:38 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>uncleknobheadffs</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;gills son will play 500 game for utd, oh yes, there's no doubt about that
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			<title>Anonymous on "So who was lying Mr. Gill?"</title>
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			<pubDate>Sat, 04 Sep 2010 09:51:00 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;Gill is a business man, he&#38;#8217;s a lying b*sterd and I think its fare to say like them all! His son is coming up the ranks at the moment and I have been thinking to myself about it, will the fans get on the young lads back due to his father being a prick? Hope not but I&#38;#8217;m just saying!&#60;/p&#62;</description>
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			<title>Ed on "So who was lying Mr. Gill?"</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 20:33:53 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;Viral &#38;#8211; Interesting. I do have some data on the overall transfer budget, will dig it out and post when I have time. I don&#38;#8217;t have detailed info on individual players but the overall summary is that wages costs had been rising significantly under the Glazers. That reflects the market. However, its interesting to note that the club has cut bonuses this year, and each of the new signings are on relatively low wages &#38;#8211; circa 10-15k per week. When Scholes, Giggs, Neville and VDS retire that&#38;#8217;l be 4 very high earners off the wage books.&#60;/p&#62;</description>
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			<title>Anonymous on "So who was lying Mr. Gill?"</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 20:31:25 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;Hi Ed &#38;#8211; I like this post. However, it would also be nice to see how much the overall salaries of players have changed in the post-Glazer-takeover era. But then again that might be reserved for another post. For example, a lot of people talk about how getting Michael Owen on the free was a no risk transfer. I don&#38;#8217;t completely agree since we would be spending quite a load of cash by paying him the salary we are.&#60;/p&#62;</description>
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			<title>bman on "So who was lying Mr. Gill?"</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 19:34:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;Besides what club are we comparing our spending to?  Because we spend competitively compared to every club except Madrid, Barca, and City, and those three clubs live in financial fantasy land.  It's not like we'd be competing with them if we were still a PLC.  The reality is that the more conservative spending is a Europe-wide phenomenon, it's not just us.  And since the Glazers didn't buy up every other club in Europe, maybe they're not really the cause.
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			<title>bman on "So who was lying Mr. Gill?"</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 19:23:08 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;I support a football club, not a business.  Who cares if we spent more net per season in the five seasons before the Glazers than in the five seasons since?  The five seasons before were almost the worst period in footballing terms since Ferguson came to the club, and the five seasons since have been as good as any in footballing terms.  If spending more from 2000-2005 had produced three PL championships in a row and CL championship followed by a CL finalist, then it would be a strategy worth imitating.  It didn't though, so why are we holding up that period as the period we need to imitate?&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Fergie spent a lot after 2000 because he needed to remould the team to be competitive in Europe, that sort of fundamental rebuilding isn't needed now.  He also realised that expensive transfers like Veron and Tevez frequently didn't fit in or turned out to be mercenary pricks, while the lads he trained from a young age like Scholes, Giggs, and Neville still left it all on the pitch for him every day they were asked to.  I'm sure the Glazers love the idea of buying young cheaper players, but there are also perfectly good footballing reasons for doing so, so all in all everybody is happy.  The fact that we splashed out on Berba, Hargreaves, Valencia and so on shows that we're still willing to spend big for an established player if Fergie thinks a piece of the puzzle is missing.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Meanwhile we slate our own young lads like Fletcher and Gibson, while jizzing over some other club's expensive young lad like Ozil and Benzema.  Let's just wait and see whose careers work out best -- usually it's the one Fergie's brought up.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I've no love for the Glazers, and debt concerns me, obviously.  But the fact is there's no evidence yet that Fergie is seriously starved for funds.  You keep saying the Glazers are taking all the money out of the club to pay off their debts, but the fact is they haven't done it yet, they've only taken out a relatively trivial amount and all the Ronaldo money is still sitting there.  The reality is the club has wasted something like £50M at least on bad exchange rate hedges, so the kind of money the Glazers and Gill are looking at is much bigger picture shit than an extra £5M or £10M to buy some player.  Claiming that we can't afford to buy a Ronaldo or Kaka is one thing, but arguing that didn't buy Ljajic or Ozic because of £5M is fucking stupid -- that kind of cash is a rounding error for the Glazer's tax and exchange rate calculations each year.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;But the thing that really annoys me is turning first on Gill and then on Fergie because they refuse to say what you want them to say.  it's fine to disagree, but the amount of insults and vitriol thrown at these fine servants of the club is all out of proportion.  &#34;Worship at the altar of Fergie?&#34;  You're fucking right I do.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I see Giggs has been saying we have a strong squad this week.  Is he a cunt now too?
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			<title>Anonymous on "So who was lying Mr. Gill?"</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 15:51:52 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;Love the figures from Ed. These are FACTS! Plain and simple.&#60;/p&#62;</description>
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			<title>Ed on "So who was lying Mr. Gill?"</title>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 15:15:01 +0000</pubDate>
			<dc:creator>Ed</dc:creator>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;Mark &#38;#8211; It&#38;#8217;s about the future of the team and where the club is going and throwing around insults just makes you sound like another plastic who worships at the altar of Fergie, whatever the actual facts. I&#38;#8217;m pretty sick of you using the words fucking and cunt repeatedly simply because you don&#38;#8217;t agree with somebody else&#38;#8217;s view. You&#38;#8217;re new here so if you want a grown up debate fine, if you just want to trade insults go elsewhere or get deleted. Simple really.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;So now lets get to some more facts because you&#38;#8217;re very light on it. Spending this summer was &#38;pound;24m, less &#38;pound;14m recouped. So net &#38;pound;10m. Net spend is relevant because its a benchmark of continuing squad quality. If you buy a house, but sell the garage its not worth the same and isn&#38;#8217;t going to be as nice to live in. &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;I haven&#38;#8217;t heard anybody here advocating spending money like City. Most people on this site understand the financial implications of the Glazer family&#38;#8217;s ownership and understand long-term lack of investment will impact on the club and they&#38;#8217;re worried about it and understand that Fergie is playing the politician right now.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;If you want to remove all the profit from the Ronaldo transfer you get a net &#38;pound;68m differential &#38;#8211; and that&#38;#8217;s generous because the whole market rose in value during the time he was at the club (i.e to replace him, United had to spend more on Valencia than would have been the case five years earlier). Net spend under the Glazers would be a tad over &#38;pound;12m per season &#38;#8211; and that&#38;#8217;s including the Valencia deal. Still less than under previous regimes, in a more inflated market, against greater competition.&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;But that&#38;#8217;s really not the point. The point is that United sold the club&#38;#8217;s best player, and is using the profit to pay down debt while increasing ticket prices on aggregate under the current owners. &#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;If you can&#38;#8217;t get that, or cant&#38;#8217; make a counter argument without calling people cunts then don&#38;#8217;t bother trying.&#60;/p&#62;</description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:57:26 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;Yeah you&#38;#8217;re right we&#38;#8217;re not investing in any new players. The three signings this summer must have nbeen a mirage.&#60;/p&#62;</description>
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			<pubDate>Fri, 03 Sep 2010 14:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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			<description>&#60;p&#62;Some of the posts and disrespect shown towards our manager in here is absolutely staggering. Also what&#38;#8217;s this obsession with transfer spending? Seriously, who gives a fuck? We&#38;#8217;ve been successful haven&#38;#8217;t we? Who cares how much we are or aren&#38;#8217;t spending. We&#38;#8217;ve spent 30m or close to it this summer between Smalling, Hernandez and Bebe, how much did people want? How much did people think we need? Does everyone think they know more than Fergie what our squad currently needs?&#60;/p&#62;
&#60;p&#62;Most of you come across like a bunch of spoiled little children looking longingly at City and all their new toys. Do you seriously think as seems to be the case that we&#38;#8217;re just going to magically implode once the likes of Neville, Scholes and Giggs retire? Has nobody even looked at our squad and all the players between 20 and 30 we have at the top of their game? You cunts can carry on moaning about us not signing players we don&#38;#8217;t need, I&#38;#8217;ll carry on supporting the shirts thanks.&#60;/p&#62;</description>
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