http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale - news, views and opinion on Manchester United en-US Sun, 19 May 2013 07:28:03 +0000 http://bbpress.org/?v=1.0.2 q http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/search.php http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52168 Mon, 14 May 2012 15:46:09 +0000 Damian Garside 52168@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <div class="wpbb_anonymous_userinfo">Posted by unregistered user: <span class="wpbb_anonymous_userinfo_name">Damian Garside</span> (<span class="wpbb_anonymous_userinfo_url"><a href="http://damiangarside.com" rel="nofollow">URL</a><span>)</div><p>If I see Fergie next season field a midfield combination that includes Giggs and Park then I am going to fly all the way to Manchester and make him swallow a nuclear device.</p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52160 Mon, 14 May 2012 14:40:22 +0000 Ben Hulston 52160@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <p>What an awful day yesterday was. Overall, objectively, super exciting, but jebus h simpson what an awful ending. Fairly deflated. </p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52156 Mon, 14 May 2012 14:25:45 +0000 sidney 52156@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <p>He was a diving wimpy cunt, Shearer, whose knees would somehow collapse whenever he felt a hand on his shoulder.</p> <p>It's cheating, it's diving, it's being a cunt, it's proper centre forward play.</p> <p>I just wish he got as much shit as Drogba does when he does it. But then Shearer was Mr England and he had a lot of time for the press. </p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52148 Mon, 14 May 2012 11:37:42 +0000 Alfonso Bedoya 52148@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <p>To be fair... when you're as good as Shearer was, you can get away with being a cunt... at least, more than Barton can. </p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52147 Mon, 14 May 2012 11:27:06 +0000 uncleknobheadffs 52147@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <p>two fucking gobshite cunts</p> <p>shearers always been clever about his cuntishness though, savvy cunt prick </p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52146 Mon, 14 May 2012 10:54:57 +0000 Alfonso Bedoya 52146@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <p>Barton lets rip at Shearer...</p> <p>"Controversial midfielder Joey Barton took exception to Alan Shearer's criticism of his very public meltdown against Manchester City yesterday.</p> <p>The QPR player was sent off as his club battled against relegation for an off-the-ball elbow on Carlos Tevez before kicking Sergio Aguero to the ground and squaring up to both Vincent Kompany and Mario Balotelli as he left the field.</p> <p>Barton's former manager at Newcastle Alan Shearer rightly condemned the player on Match of the Day 2 for his actions but the unrepentant midfielder took to Twitter to give his side of the view before engaging in a lengthy rant against the England legend, which went something like this...</p> <p>Shearers still on my case..."I know I f*cked up Alan, thanks for stating the obvious."</p> <p>Whilst were both stating the obvious about each other, can I just say for the record what a great player u were. Well better me...</p> <p>But I have a better hair(which is not hard), wear well better shirts on TV and have a personality(something u lack).</p> <p>I really don't like that prick, in fact I honestly despise him... Goodnight.</p> <p>I'd take it off Hansen and GaryLineker but not from that bell, same fella that stamped on Neil Lennon,then threatened FA if they banned him</p> <p>...That he would retire from international football. No sorry, not having him, never have. Selfish, boring man him. He can do one...</p> <p>My favourite memory of him though is when he dropped his spuds when Keano put it on him. Goodnight Al, sleep well matey...</p> <p>With that my shearerrant is over... Goodnight all xxxxxx"</p> <p> &lt;img src=&quot;http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/my-plugins/bb-smilies/default/icon_mrgreen.gif&quot; title=&quot;:mrgreen:&quot; class=&quot;bb_smilies&quot; /&gt; </p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52124 Sun, 13 May 2012 23:44:05 +0000 Alfonso Bedoya 52124@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <blockquote><p><cite>Commenter <a href="http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52122">said</a>:</cite><br /> But the debt is tied to the club. Even if they sell, they get to walk away unscathed. </p> <p>Atleast, that&#8217;s what I understand. </p></blockquote> <p>Well... I would imagine that would be negotiated, wouldn't it?</p> <p>You wouldn't spend £1.5billion on a club, without knowing who has to pay for its debts, would you? </p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52123 Sun, 13 May 2012 23:43:08 +0000 chocolatteballs 52123@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <p>Ya Ya Toure ,Silva, Kompany, Aguerro were immense all season.</p> <p>There are cheaper versions of these players , just have to find them and sign them I think we've seen similar younger players who play for Bilboa.</p> <p>I'd recommend us staying away from that crooked cnunt George Mendez this summer as all he seems to do is hike up prices and pocket the excess.</p> <p>With Rooney and the right central midfielders we could be a decent team. </p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52122 Sun, 13 May 2012 23:38:37 +0000 DamnedUnited 52122@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <div class="wpbb_anonymous_userinfo">Posted by unregistered user: <span class="wpbb_anonymous_userinfo_name">DamnedUnited</span></div><p>But the debt is tied to the club. Even if they sell, they get to walk away unscathed. </p> <p>Atleast, that&#8217;s what I understand.</p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52121 Sun, 13 May 2012 23:37:20 +0000 DamnedUnited 52121@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <div class="wpbb_anonymous_userinfo">Posted by unregistered user: <span class="wpbb_anonymous_userinfo_name">DamnedUnited</span></div><p>That&#8217;s what I was saying in another thread. If Fergie does not want to spend on players, spend on the backroom staff to atleast vary the way we play. I was very happy with the way United were playing at the start of the season and with a little more tactical nous and by shoring up the perennial injury crisis at Old Trafford, the team could have kept the momentum long enough to have won it by now. </p> <p>I saw the Blackburn and Fulham matches at home and United really were so one-dimensional and thoroughly devoid of ideas. I took people along who had never seen United play and they really must have been wondering what the fuss was all about.</p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52119 Sun, 13 May 2012 23:13:57 +0000 Herbie Simms 52119@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <div class="wpbb_anonymous_userinfo">Posted by unregistered user: <span class="wpbb_anonymous_userinfo_name">Herbie Simms</span></div><p>Its not so much about spending 500 million on players. Its the style of football that you play. Look how Bilbao, a team made up of youngsters outplayed us twice! No expensive players there, but their style of football killed us. With all that money that Man.City spent, they could only tie us for first place. We don&#8217;t need to be that concerned even if they spend another 500 million on players. You know the old saying, &#8220;money can&#8217;t buy you love&#8221;. All we need to do is fix our midfield problems, bring in two experienced defenders and if Berbatov goes, bring in a striker for him. Man.City have their moment now but if they keep spending like drunken sailors and don&#8217;t advance in the Champions league, they will end up another Chelsea.</p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52117 Sun, 13 May 2012 23:03:35 +0000 Alfonso Bedoya 52117@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <blockquote><p><cite>Commenter <a href="http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52113">said</a>:</cite><br /> I don’t doubt United’s ability to be in the green every year on its own. But who would spend 2 bill of their own money on a football club? In 7 years no one has stepped forward. Clearly there is no ‘rich and benevolent football fan’ around.</p> </blockquote> <p>How do you know?</p> <p>It's well known that the Glazers have had several approaches, but have said in no uncertain terms... not for sale...</p> <p>Maybe not because the offer isn't right... but because there is still too much debt... if they keep hold of United long enough, not only will they get a huge offer, like £2billion... but they'll get to keep more of it as well, because the fans will have paid off most of the debt... and in the meantime, they can take out a few million every year for themselves in various fees and payments. </p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52113 Sun, 13 May 2012 22:42:22 +0000 DamnedUnited 52113@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <div class="wpbb_anonymous_userinfo">Posted by unregistered user: <span class="wpbb_anonymous_userinfo_name">DamnedUnited</span></div><p>I don&#8217;t doubt United&#8217;s ability to be in the green every year on its own. But who would spend 2 bill of their own money on a football club? In 7 years no one has stepped forward. Clearly there is no &#8216;rich and benevolent football fan&#8217; around.</p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52110 Sun, 13 May 2012 22:27:59 +0000 Alfonso Bedoya 52110@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <blockquote><p><cite>Commenter <a href="http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52109">said</a>:</cite><br /> I really don&#8217;t know why the Glazers would be waiting to sell the club for 1.5-2 billion. No idiot is going to spend that much on a football club, however retarded/soaked in blood money they are. </p> <p>It is a much safer investment to buy a previously small club like Chelsea/Man City and then pump in hundreds of millions rather than spend billions to just buy the club, forget about the yearly investment needed later. </p></blockquote> <p>This is totally wrong... United is one of only a small group of clubs, along with Real and Barcelona, that can compete at the highest level, on the strength of their own finances.</p> <p>United is the most valuable club in the sports for a very good reason... it makes more money than any other... except for Real and Barcelona, who have the unfair advantage of owning their own television rights... if United negotiated their own telly deals, they's take in over £500 mill a year.</p> <p>Without the debt the Glazers have lumped on the club, United could reduce matchday costs to the fans, and still compete with anyone, including city for the best players.</p> <p>In the period of time that the Bitters have spent £500mill on players, United have pissed away £500mill on Glazer costs, and STILL managed to maintain a competitive team.</p> <p>Any proper football fan, who just happens to have a spare couple billion sitting around, could do no better than buy Manchester United... your money is safe, as the club will never depreciate, and it can carry it's own load... Abramovic, and the 40 Thieves of Etihad, will never see the money they've spent again... </p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52109 Sun, 13 May 2012 21:46:14 +0000 DamnedUnited 52109@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <div class="wpbb_anonymous_userinfo">Posted by unregistered user: <span class="wpbb_anonymous_userinfo_name">DamnedUnited</span></div><p>I really don&#8217;t know why the Glazers would be waiting to sell the club for 1.5-2 billion. No idiot is going to spend that much on a football club, however retarded/soaked in blood money they are. </p> <p>It is a much safer investment to buy a previously small club like Chelsea/Man City and then pump in hundreds of millions rather than spend billions to just buy the club, forget about the yearly investment needed later. </p> <p>Clubs the size of United just cannot be handled by one owner alone. It should have stayed a public company or restructured to have a system like Real Madrid&#8217;s or Barcelona&#8217;s. </p> <p>To be honest, I don&#8217;t know what the Glazers are waiting for. Their best bet is to sell their shares to different people rather than one single bidder. </p> <p>/(stating the obvious)</p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52108 Sun, 13 May 2012 21:15:15 +0000 han 52108@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <blockquote><p><cite>sheesh <a href="http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52106">said</a>:</cite><br /> Danni, United didn't lose the title because of Mancini's mind games. They had been playing in first or second gear for much of the season and that is largely because they were complacent. I go to the home games and have seen how they have been playing. This is why they got knocked out of the Champions League. Their performances at home were dire. </p> <p>In terms of the domestic league, they got caught out by their complacency during the run-in when they should have re-doubled their focus to get us over the finish line.</p> <p>Mancini's mind games were amateurish.</p> <p>We lost the league title on goal difference, a goal difference that we could have more than made up in our home games against West Brom, Fulham, Villa and QPR. Swansea at home is another example. We only did the bare minimum to win the matches. In the end, that proved to be a failing which stopped us winning the league.</p> <p>As for being gracious, you should have seen Fergie's post-match interview. </p></blockquote> <p>you and i don't agree on a lot but i guess i have come round to your take on the complacency that infected the team with 2 months to go and especially in the last 5 weeks<br /> but let's also agree that some of SAF's decisions and tactics were bizarre especially his insistence on berba keeping the bench warm most of the matches where he would have opened up the opposition and instead made hernandez and welbeck start </p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52107 Sun, 13 May 2012 21:00:24 +0000 Alfonso Bedoya 52107@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <blockquote><p><cite>danniitronix <a href="http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52102">said</a>:</cite><br /> Only a thick cunt would say that mancini was a shit manager</p> <p>He has learned from his mistakes brought back tevez when people thought it was a shit move</p> <p>His mind games fucked up fergie while he was at the four seasons </p> <p>Sad seeing the sheer arrogance of united fans being exposed especially those who thought Mancini is a shit manager a mr average</p> <p>Even funnier those who predicted he would be sacked. Arrogance and jealousy personified. Utter cunts.</p> <p>And for fergie to bang abou history fuck off just be gracious and congratulate them. End of, we've been beaten fair and square and admit it that a young gun from Italy has just like mourinho outgunned you and in terms of mind games out played you.</p> <p>Well done united too, only lost on gd and still a very good points haul and considering Vidic was out and we have a new goal keeper and we have a manager intent on not buying because of his on stubborn notions of value, we have done well. </p></blockquote> <p>Don't you ever take a day off, talking shit? </p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52106 Sun, 13 May 2012 20:57:55 +0000 sheesh 52106@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <p>Danni, United didn't lose the title because of Mancini's mind games. They had been playing in first or second gear for much of the season and that is largely because they were complacent. I go to the home games and have seen how they have been playing. This is why they got knocked out of the Champions League. Their performances at home were dire. </p> <p>In terms of the domestic league, they got caught out by their complacency during the run-in when they should have re-doubled their focus to get us over the finish line.</p> <p>Mancini's mind games were amateurish.</p> <p>We lost the league title on goal difference, a goal difference that we could have more than made up in our home games against West Brom, Fulham, Villa and QPR. Swansea at home is another example. We only did the bare minimum to win the matches. In the end, that proved to be a failing which stopped us winning the league.</p> <p>As for being gracious, you should have seen Fergie's post-match interview. </p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52105 Sun, 13 May 2012 20:57:50 +0000 Alfonso Bedoya 52105@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <blockquote><p><cite>uncleknobheadforfucksake <a href="http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52104">said</a>:</cite><br /> jonesy was great today </p></blockquote> <p>I agree, but Dozer was slagging him large. </p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52104 Sun, 13 May 2012 20:43:39 +0000 uncleknobheadffs 52104@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <p>jonesy was great today </p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52103 Sun, 13 May 2012 20:42:02 +0000 han 52103@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <p>i dont think SAF doesnt want to buy because of what u say danni<br /> its more like the gimps have tied his hands and publicly he has to say that bollox<br /> its not as though he hasn't spent money last season, just that to get the quality in the right departments is going to come with more than 20 million to spend</p> <p>and he did congratulate them when he was interviewed afterwards<br /> mancini is not a shit manager but lets face it, he had an unlimited war chest and did more u turns than a london taxi driver and still only won the title in the last 3 minutes of the season on goal difference</p> <p>yes it feels like crap tonight but we have all felt this was lost 7 months ago so to have come this far was a fantastic achievement </p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52102 Sun, 13 May 2012 20:29:10 +0000 danniitronix 52102@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <p>Only a thick cunt would say that mancini was a shit manager</p> <p>He has learned from his mistakes brought back tevez when people thought it was a shit move</p> <p>His mind games fucked up fergie while he was at the four seasons </p> <p>Sad seeing the sheer arrogance of united fans being exposed especially those who thought Mancini is a shit manager a mr average</p> <p>Even funnier those who predicted he would be sacked. Arrogance and jealousy personified. Utter cunts.</p> <p>And for fergie to bang abou history fuck off just be gracious and congratulate them. End of, we've been beaten fair and square and admit it that a young gun from Italy has just like mourinho outgunned you and in terms of mind games out played you.</p> <p>Well done united too, only lost on gd and still a very good points haul and considering Vidic was out and we have a new goal keeper and we have a manager intent on not buying because of his on stubborn notions of value, we have done well. </p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52101 Sun, 13 May 2012 20:17:27 +0000 Alfonso Bedoya 52101@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <blockquote><p><cite>Commenter <a href="http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52096">said</a>:</cite><br /> QPR, another professional team that does not know how to defend in the closing stages of a game when you are ahead.<br /> They should have been relagated. Most fans around the world on talk shows are saying we lost the EPL because of the off and on days of goalkeeper David DeGea. They say how horrible he was in the first half of the season and in the game against Everton in the 4-4 draw. I don&#8217;t know whats your take on these comments, but thats all I&#8217;m hearing. I guarantee you now that the Glazers will make enough money available to get the team back on track. </p></blockquote> <p>Bollocks!!! </p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52100 Sun, 13 May 2012 19:39:53 +0000 han 52100@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <p>btw<br /> what have huddersfield and city have in common?</p> <p>they have both won 3 league titles. </p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52099 Sun, 13 May 2012 19:37:37 +0000 han 52099@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <p>qpr conceded the 3rd goal after their fans started to celebrate the final whistle going at stoke to ensure their safety<br /> someone shoot that ugly motherfucking toad barton in his head<br /> disgusting despicable effort of a professional footballer </p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52097 Sun, 13 May 2012 19:29:06 +0000 han 52097@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <p>aye herbie<br /> i have to agree with your last point<br /> it will take 1 almighty fucking anus of a yank not to see that this is the golden goose in their portfolio of businesses<br /> if they don't feed it enough, it just ain't going to produce the eggs<br /> feed it enough dross and dregs and you'll end up with sub standard shite<br /> so come on you yank fucks, put some decent money in SAF's hands so he can really spunk it on some quality that will be the difference next season </p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/6#post-52096 Sun, 13 May 2012 19:22:07 +0000 Herbie Simms 52096@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <div class="wpbb_anonymous_userinfo">Posted by unregistered user: <span class="wpbb_anonymous_userinfo_name">Herbie Simms</span></div><p>QPR, another professional team that does not know how to defend in the closing stages of a game when you are ahead.<br /> They should have been relagated. Most fans around the world on talk shows are saying we lost the EPL because of the off and on days of goalkeeper David DeGea. They say how horrible he was in the first half of the season and in the game against Everton in the 4-4 draw. I don&#8217;t know whats your take on these comments, but thats all I&#8217;m hearing. I guarantee you now that the Glazers will make enough money available to get the team back on track.</p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/5#post-52095 Sun, 13 May 2012 18:50:23 +0000 HeavyRiffs 52095@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <div class="wpbb_anonymous_userinfo">Posted by unregistered user: <span class="wpbb_anonymous_userinfo_name">HeavyRiffs</span></div><p>&#8220;Ferguson claims that the development of United’s youngsters mean that this is less the ‘end of an empire’, but a season of transition.&#8221;<br /> Carrick, ferdinand, vidic and evra the wrong side of 30.<br /> Scholes and giggs the wrong side of 40.<br /> Nani, the twins inconstant.<br /> Park, anderson crap.<br /> Berbatov and owen off.<br /> Cracking transition that.</p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/5#post-52094 Sun, 13 May 2012 18:40:02 +0000 brianofnazareth 52094@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <p>Of all our good luck over the last 25+ years it's only fair we get fucked over like today but still feel numb. I didn't expect us to win the league but with 3 mins to go and we were getting ready to celebrate! I'm trying to think positive, like City having to put up with all our success rubbed in their faces for £25+ years blah blah blah..</p> <p>Fergie better get us playing attractive football again at least this feeling would be worth it. </p> <p>This must be one of the worse seasons we've had for a number of years.</p> <p>City winning the league.<br /> Liverpool winning the FA cup.<br /> (Chelsea winning the Champs league ??)</p> <p>Anyway...that's it from me....till we meet again. </p> http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/5#post-52093 Sun, 13 May 2012 18:23:06 +0000 han 52093@http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/ <blockquote><p><cite>marlon <a href="http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/topic/evra-relies-on-faith-for-season-finale/page/5#post-52089">said</a>:</cite><br /> I think we all forgetting whose fault this really is. Not Fergie, Glazers etc., but FRED DONE. (the betfred guy)</p> <p>“Back in 1998 Fergie told me to never pay out early again but Sir Alex need not worry, I’ve not got it wrong this time, United are past the post for a record twentieth Premier League title.”</p> <p>What a bastard. Think i'm right in saying the only thing we won that year was the Community shield as well and we all remember what happened in '99. Let's hope history repeats itself. Again. </p></blockquote> <p>that bastard also paid out early in the seasons when we did win so its a tad unfair to put the blame only on him... still he is a cunt still </p>