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Alfonso Bedoya
Moderator
Bill said:
Yep English football culture exposed. Big hearted physicality is of no relevance at the highest level. Size shouldn't matter it should be about skill and technique. And Barca showed that.
This is bollocks!
Just1n
Member
brianofnazareth said:
We were always against it also didn't help that we were fucking SHIT!! Current players I hatePark
Carrick
Valencia
Giggs
Vida
Chico
Park
Park
Park
Park
You are such a melodramatic pre mentrual cunt.
2 weeks ago you wanted Giggs number retired and him getting a knighthood.
Plastic.
sidney
Member
Outclassed in the end by the best team in the world
We're a top European team - our record proves that - and we're the best in England without doubt... but we couldn't get close to the cunts
It's hard to see how anybody can knock them off their perch. I wouldn't be surprised if they went on to defend the trophy next season
Great season overall though. I didn't expect a 19th title or a European Cup Final
Just1n
Member
This season was about number 19. We achieved that.
Getting to CL final was a bonus and we came up against a team that was much better than us. No disgrace in losing to this Barca side. At least we tried to play and not kick them off the park like most other teams do.
Alfonso Bedoya
Moderator
sidney said:
Can I just ask... what the fuck was our strategy/tactics?We played long ball in the second half and Barca's midgets won all of the knock downs
Surely that can't have been the plan?
Aye... all the long balls... how stupid was that? If that was the plan, then we should have started Berbs.
And it seemed to me that we were afraid to fight with them for anything... did their diving/play acting reputation scare us out of being too competetive?
Another thing... I think Chico showed his inexperience tonight... he easily had the beating of their defence... and in the first half had several opportunites to run them... yet he kept stepping offside... there was no need.
sheesh
Member
Alfonso Bedoya said:
Aye... all the long balls... how stupid was that? If that was the plan, then we should have started Berbs.And it seemed to me that we were afraid to fight with them for anything... did their diving/play acting reputation scare us out of being too competetive?
Another thing... I think Chico showed his inexperience tonight... he easily had the beating of their defence... and in the first half had several opportunites to run them... yet he kept stepping offside... there was no need.
I thought we started the game getting at them but then we seemed to tire pretty quickly.
Just1n said:
This season was about number 19. We achieved that.Getting to CL final was a bonus and we came up against a team that was much better than us. No disgrace in losing to this Barca side. At least we tried to play and not kick them off the park like most other teams do.
Good post, I agree.
We can criticise individual performances but if we'd shown the same intent against other teams as we did in the first half, we would have had the beating of these other sides.
Barcelona are a magnificent side and they well and truly put us in our place tonight. The only way you could see them deteriorating as a side if they were to lose a few players or even if the manager were to go elsewhere. If they were to stay as they are, they could easily win more European cups.
Even Fergie has admitted that this Barcelona side is the best he has ever faced. Hard to disagree.
Ted
Member
What was Carrick doing trying to get Iniesta's fuckin autograph for the second goal, and why did he try and pass it to Nani in our own box for their third?
He should have been subbed 20 minutes into the game, absolute fuckin passenger. Its not solely his fault we was humiliated....(as i'd previously predicted was always going to happen) but Gin soaked had promised we'd learned our lesson from 2009. Well clearly he had'nt. Take nothing away from Barca, they're probably the best club side the world has ever seen, certainly the best i've ever seen, but yet again, our blatant deficiencies were totally exposed again. Our clear lack of bight and creativity in the middle of the park was our undoing. And until its addressed, we can only dream of ever reaching that kind of level. I'm sure we are all grateful for out doing the Dippers in league titles, and now the Schalke giddyness has finally been put well and truly to bed, can we not get on with what we should have been getting on with three seasons ago.
Giggs and Scholes put out to grass. Carrick and Nani to who ever wants them, and get some fuckin quality in there. Don't half feel sorry for Rooney and the Cockroach, they deserved a lot better around them tonight.
Totally buttfucked with no lube. No passion, and no desire. Zero bollocks.
Teds awards.
Should be gold...........
Rooney. Hernandez. Fabio. Vidic.
Should be sold.......
Carrick. Nani, and to brutally honest, anyone who's surname is'nt any of the above.
herbie simms
Member
This was truly a wake up call for SAF. That is why Mancini said in an interview that he will be looking to buy players that have Champions League experience in order to compete with Barcelona and others. Man City will be strong next season and SAF needs to get busy this summer if we are serious about beating these world class teams. Berbatov left out and Nani only playing for 15 minutes yet if Berbatov and Nani where at Barcelona, they both would have started today because they are both class players. SAF has a lot to sort out because Valencia and Nani are right wingers, but only one can play. The midfield has no quality and we need a world class right back and another cover left back for Evra.
Hernandez is only good coming on as a sub and Berbatov, the leading goal scorer cannot even make the team. Barcelona showed today that we have some big problems in this team. Giggs and Scholes definately need to retire. And I still believe that we do not have to buy 30 million pound players in order to compete, but we do need to identify world class players at prices that make sense. If I were the manager, I would sell Carrick, Anderson, Evans, Gibson, Obertan, Berbatov, Macheda, Michael Owen and Diouf and retire Giggs and Scholes. Thats eleven players out and I would bring in six new players, two fullbacks, three midfielders and a striker. I still have Progba, Morrison, Cleverley and Wellbeck to promote. SAF has already bought a new keeper and a center-half, so we need six more quality players if we are serious about winning trophies.
uncleknobheadffs
Member
why did that cunt fergie switch giggs and parks positions ta halftime, we were doing alright in the first half, giggs was getting quick ball to wayne, he pulled that same fucking stunt putting park in with carrick in midfield at the emirates and we were hammered from then on, rooney got no ball from a carrick park midfield, what did ginsoak expect ffs
why didn't we use all our subs?
why was fletcher on the bench, surely in taggarts eyes if his bastard sons fit for the bench he's fit to start, he mustve been nowhere near fit to play then and he gave him a sympathy place on the bench and left out berbashite and rafa to do it
is this valencia at rightback shite the future or what
MrKirie
Member
Have a moment and think about who you are calling a “cunt”.
Yes, we lost the game, we are probably all bitterly dissapointed, but at the end of the day we lost to a much better team. There isn’t really much you can do to beat this Barca team when they are playing like they did yesterday. So much movement, so many runs. It was never going to be an easy task. Yes, there were some individual errors. I think switching Park and Giggs allowed the second goal, but I’m happy we didn’t go out to play destructive football and at least tried to beat them honestly.
Spike
Member
Well done Barce, you shown us again how "passing" football destroyed United, cause we have a useless midfield of "wannabes" and " has-been's".
Will Berbs be sold? I detected something in Ginsoaks face when asked why Berbs wasn't even on the subs bench that tasted like a "fook him and good riddance" expression for a fleeting moment.
fat maradona
Member
Too be fair, it wasn't like we didn't turn up or play badly. Barca were so good that they didn't let us play. They are so composed on the ball and everyone makes themselves available to receive the ball whereas we rush our passes/play.
As much as it hurts me to say this, the game reminded me of when we played Schalke. However, we were the Schalke and they were the United and that is the gulf in ability and class.
The talk after the game was about the need for 3 world class midfielders and a world class striker. I'd agree with them but also suggest that the fundamental problem is the technical naivety of the PL compared to La Liga.
bman
Member
Technical naivety my arse, it's a matter of personnel plain and simple. This is the second fucking time now I've had to watch us play Barca in the CL final without us having a single proper defensive midfielder. Yeah they're a great team, but we don't even have the right kind of players to give it a go, which is criminal for a club our size.
In some ways it's better that we were thrashed instead of just losing, because with Scholes and company retiring, the club being full of cash, there might be more of a fucking realisation now that we are not punching at the weight we are supposed to be.
bman
Member
When we beat Barca over two legs a few seasons ago, it was with Hargreaves, Carrick, and Scholes in the middle of the pitch. Since then we've lost Hargreaves - whatever you think of him, at least he was a defensive midfielder - and Scholes isn't up to it anymore. Now people get on Carrick's back for not doing enough, which is fucking ridiculous. As the Zonalmarking guy points out in his review of the match, Carrick was constantly surrounded by a triangle of Messi, Xavi, and Iniesta, who were the top three choices for player of the year. I thought Carrick did a valiant job, he's simply outnumbered by several of the best players in the world.
Our only credible defensive midfielder is Fletcher, and if he's not available we're just fucked, it's a ridiculous state of affairs. To say nothing of the fact that most people believe we need better players than Hargreaves and Fletcher, at the moment we don't even have them at all.
han
Member
Blog Commenter said:
Have a moment and think about who you are calling a “cunt”.Yes, we lost the game, we are probably all bitterly dissapointed, but at the end of the day we lost to a much better team. There isn’t really much you can do to beat this Barca team when they are playing like they did yesterday. So much movement, so many runs. It was never going to be an easy task. Yes, there were some individual errors. I think switching Park and Giggs allowed the second goal, but I’m happy we didn’t go out to play destructive football and at least tried to beat them honestly.
thank you for being the voice of reason
barca are pretty unplayable when they indulge in the kind of passing they are well known for
i don't think SAF could have done anything about it save shooting messi before the game started
we got no 19, reached a euro cup final and fa cup semi final (which if the FA hadn't banned rooney, would have stood a huge chance of making it to the final) and all this from a shit talentless bollockless berbaforward side who everyone was writing off in August 2010
i'm not shattered or suicidal about yesterday but do view we need some replacements in midfield as well as a decent goalie - the rest will be fine
Bill
Member
Barca's players have played together for years and the short passing press high game is second nature. And they can go and buy a marque player when they want ie. Villa.
They are definitely in the top 3 club sides of all time with Madrid of the 60s and Milan of the 90s. We are the Champions of England and the 2nd best team in Europe, but still light years behind them.
Ted
Member
I'm still bemused that we played a flat 4 across the back, why for fucks sake? The game was always going to be won and lost in the middle of the park. We have'nt got the quality so we surely had to opt for quantity to try and contain thier slick passing and movement. The whole world and his fuckin dog knew exactly what their plan would be, and that was to concentrate as much posession as possible around Carrick. He is our weak link in those situations because he wont commit to a tackle. As soon as Barca got hold of the ball 35 yards from our goal, Carricks instincts are to instantly retreat which gives Iniesta all the time in the world to lift his head up and pick out the right pass. And it came off perfectly.
The team should have been 3 across the back with either Scholes or Fabio making up the central 5. Never get tired of saying it, but Fergal is a motivator and will never be a master tactician so long as he's got hole in his arse.
Another European cup gifted to the opponents in the tunnel.
Alfonso Bedoya
Moderator
I partially agree with Knobby... Park is a rubbish footballer.. he has got a great engine, and is a useful tool for pressing and harrying, but once/if you get the ball back, you have to use it a lot better than we did.
When the defence had the ball, they struggled to find anyone but themselves to pass to... Rio to Vidic, back to Rio, back to VDS... and eventually a long speculative punt up the pitch... some of that was down to the Barca pressing game... but mostly it was because our midfiled is pathetic... Scholes is too old, I don't want to open that argument... but a younger, fitter Scholes would have made a HUGE difference... always available, always composed, and capable of playing a purposeful pass...
I'm not trying to dismiss the excellence of Barcas football... they are, without doubt a better team than United... but... we knew exactly what the game was going to be like.... we knew they'd have 60+% of possession, and we knew we'd have to defend well, and be prepared to chase shadows in midfield... the issue was, once we got the ball back, that we used it much better than we did. Rooney was well up for this game, and if we'd have gotten him more involved, I've absolutely no doubt at all, that he'd have given their defence the shits... one of the few times he had the ball, in their end... and what happened?
Barcelona beat us fair and square... but they are absolutely beatable... as good as they are in attack, they are completely ordinary in defence... you CAN score against them...
IF we'd have had two class midfielders last night... for example... a fighting fit Scholes/Keane... that could well have been a much different game... and THAT for me is the most important thing to take away.
We need 2 top class midfielders... at the very least... and I'm not talking about Ashley fuckin Young...
chocolatteballs
Member
Yea a younger scholes/fagregas.
I used to think Stephen Ireland was that typa player but he's not .
On things for certain, Carrick is 30 odd now and no chance of improving whatsover.
He hides from the ball,playmakers actually demand the ball.
Who to buy?
sheesh
Member
Some good posts in here today.
Nani gave us some impetus when he came on but we always looked lacking without a decent midfield.
Moving Park and Giggs made fuck all difference to the outcome of the game. We were lucky to go into half time at 1-1. Barcelona cut our defence to ribbons and had a few decent chances to score in that first half. Even our goal should have been ruled out for offside, We were never going to press them for the 90 mins. Against a side that has 70% of the ball, you're going to knacker yourself out very quickly. Even if we'd played a 5 man midfield we would have lost.
With the personnel we had, I thought we put out our best team and Fergie knew how we had to get at Barcelona. The problem was two-fold: our atrocious ball retention (especially the manner we kept hoofing the ball long) and the lack of quality in midfield. We did well to win the title this season but against the best team in the world we got found out for our lack of decent quality midfield options. Giggs simply hasn't got the legs anymore. Him and Carrick up against the best midfield around...we never stood a chance.
I'm worried about Evra. He's had a poor season by his standards. Simply forgotten how to defend. His positional sense is a complete joke.
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