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1. Violent Banana
   Member

   Posted by unregistered user: Violent Banana

   I said we needed to play 4-5-1 long before last night, this argument has nothing to do with hindsight.

   We pressed them too far up the pitch – let them make 15 passes between their back four – it’s not going to hurt us there. What annoyed me is that we’re pressing there LB in their own half when he has so many passing options, and giving the best player in the world time right outside our penalty area to pick his spot, pose for the camera’s, smile, call his mum, call his dad, and then score. We gave them space in the areas they can really hurt us.

   We had to play ugly to beat them, drop back, soak up the pressure, and then break. And break by passing it, not hoofing it up to the channels in the hope that we’d pick up the second ball. Barcelona are a great team full of great players, but our tactics helped them look good.

   Posted 1 year ago #

2. Ted
   Member

   I don't get all this "Uniteds youth policy" dogshit? It was 20 fuckin years ago when we got lucky with Butty Beckham Scholes Giggs the Nevs. What teenagers have we brought through since that have become medal winning regulars.

   "NOT MANY MANAGERS CAN SAY THEY'VE BEEN INVOLVED IN A NINE GOAL THRILLER AGAINST THE CHAMPIONS".
   Forest manager Ron Atkinson after they'd just lost 8-1 at home to Manchester United.

   Posted 1 year ago #

3. squigs
   Member

   It wasn't getting lucky, it was having the correct coaches and scouting around at the time, in particular Eric Harrison.

   Posted 1 year ago #

4. captainhormone
   Moderator

   good points sq and ted...barca have a huge catchment area of 10 million plus with only espanyol as competition to choose from...they always get the cream...we on the other hand have the 90 minute ruling in the uk, hence the foreign imports....on top of that we have so many good clubs to contend with too...everton, liverpool, citeh, villa etc all within 90 minutes of manchester....

   barca just dont have that problem, hence why your fabregas's, piques etc can afford to be lost as they have more to choose from...of course they want these lads back eventually, but if they had stayed they would not have made it

   LKHM
   
   Hoofing

   Posted 1 year ago #

5. Ichiro
   Member

   its not just their youth system, theyre not afraid to spend either. Alves, Villa, Mascherano were all 20m or more.

   Posted 1 year ago #

6. herbie simms
   Member

   Posted by unregistered user: herbie simms

   I listened to the analysts on BBC today giving their opinions on the game. They said United need to find a quality left back to replace Evra. They also said that Rooney and Ferdinand were the only players that did their jobs, the rest were just useless. SAF made a big mistake by not playing a central defensive midfielder, either Fletcher or Anderson because Barcelona are dangerous coming through the middle. They also went on to say that in a big game of this magnitude, Berbatov had to play and start the match and Hernandez should have been the sub. Nani should have started on the left instead of Giggs because even though it is not his best position, to defenders he is one of the most feared players in the world. In summing up, SAF made some big tactical mistakes that really cost United dearly. But Guardiola said that its his style of football and the type of players that he has bought in to play the type of football that he wants to play, is the reason why Barcelona is so successful. He also said he always looks for quality, skillful, inteligent players that can read and think the game. What amazes me is why SAF continues to use Anderson as a central defensive midfielder when he is an attacking central midfielder. When Anderson left Brazil, he was rated as one of the best young attacking midfielders in that country. Anderson has said in the past that he has struggled to play in this defensive midfield position at United and thats why in most games, fans are saying Anderson is not having a good game. All I can say is, SAF has got a lot of work to do this summer. Do you think Rafael and Fabio should be groomed for our future fullback positions? They also look good in attacking midfield postions.

   Posted 1 year ago #

7. bman
   Member

   Shoulda woulda coulda. Fergie probably played the only team he could given the players at his disposal. There's a strong argument to be made for playing 4-5-1, but with who? Anderson? The Carrick-Giggs-Anderson trio is exactly the line-up that got annihilated last time. Fletcher wasn't available, again. Scholes probably would have felt compelled to make horror tackles.

   We need more, better players, it's simple as that.

   Barca have a special situation going on where the have a really special generation of players that came up from their youth system, as special or even more so than the famous United generation of Scholes, Beckham etc. Plus on top of that, they have essentially infinite money to spend to fill out the ranks. They've spent huge sums on Ibrahimovic, Villa, Et'o etc., and their wage expenses are through the roof.

   So not to take anything away from the skill of their players or the talent of their coach or the quality of their youth system, but "golden generation + unmatched cash = really food fucking team". Real can't match them at the moment because they have the cash, but not the same quality of youth players to build on. We've not neither the same quality of youth players nor the same amount of money, so we look well shit against them.

   Posted 1 year ago #

8. Ed
   Moderator

   Ichiro – $1bn spent since 2000. Highest wage bill on the planet.

   Editor & Moderator at http://www.unitedrant.co.uk

   Posted 1 year ago #

9. sheesh
   Member

   Alfonso Bedoya said:
   Cocks... this forum is full of fuckin cocks.

   Knobby is the only one who seems to have any bollocks... the rest of you seem to have given up... "oh Barca is just too good, and we couldn't beat them with a 12 man midfield"... horse shit!

   We scored a crackin goal against them last night, and if we'd shown a bit more composure with the ball, during the 35% that we had it, we might have scored again... but not only that... if we'd shown the ability to use the ball better, and offer more of a threat, then they would NOT have been so cocky, and pressed with such a high line... everything is relative... if we'd played better WITH the ball, they would have been less aggressive without it.

   The problem is... we don't have the players... we just don't...

   Cal and whoever... you can talk all the shit you like about how Ferguson got it all wrong with 4-4-2... I say he had the right idea... get after their defence... that is their weakness... 4-5-1 would have been an excercise in defending... and nothing more...

   Ferguson wanted to outscore Barcelona, and I admire him for that... but we don't have the players for it... our midfield is rubbish, and Chico is too green... and quite possibly, not good enough anyway.

   We all accept that we need new players especially in midfield. Nobody has said "OMG Barcelona are unbeatable lolz" but, at this point in time, they are a country mile ahead of us. We gave it our best shot and Fergie had the right idea but it was always going to be a tough ask with the personnel we have got.

   But, yeah, go suckle on Knobhead's teat.

   Posted 1 year ago #

10. han
    Member

    sheesh said:
    We all accept that we need new players especially in midfield. Nobody has said "OMG Barcelona are unbeatable lolz" but, at this point in time, they are a country mile ahead of us. We gave it our best shot and Fergie had the right idea but it was always going to be a tough ask with the personnel we have got.

    But, yeah, go suckle on Knobhead's teat.

    nice one sheesh - there is a load of bollox being spouted on here but the fact remains that barca were superior in all departments on saturday and we were lucky to not get gang banged with only 3 goals against us - it could have been 5 or 6 and then we would be feeling rather more sore
    i'm sure knobend has got another teat for anyone else who wants to have a go too - he knows u know

    Posted 1 year ago #

11. vlad
    Member

    han said:
    you need to get out more this summer

    nix!
    i'll play them on my Playstation till they fold up

    Posted 1 year ago #

12. Alfonso Bedoya
    Moderator

    sheesh said:
    We all accept that we need new players especially in midfield. Nobody has said "OMG Barcelona are unbeatable lolz" but, at this point in time, they are a country mile ahead of us. We gave it our best shot and Fergie had the right idea but it was always going to be a tough ask with the personnel we have got.

    But, yeah, go suckle on Knobhead's teat.

    Oh my Sheeshy... feeling a bit left out, are we?

    Jealousy is very unattractive Mate.

    "Badges, to god-damned hell with badges! We have no badges. In fact, we don't need badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges, you god-damned cabrón and ching' tu madre! Come out from that shit-hole of yours. I have to speak to you."

    Posted 1 year ago #

13. Alfonso Bedoya
    Moderator

    han said:
    nice one sheesh - there is a load of bollox being spouted on here but the fact remains that barca were superior in all departments on saturday and we were lucky to not get gang banged with only 3 goals against us - it could have been 5 or 6 and then we would be feeling rather more sore
    i'm sure knobend has got another teat for anyone else who wants to have a go too - he knows u know

    Ha... yeah, I'm not surprised you applaud Sheesh for his post... you are one of the "cocks" I was talking about.

    Posted 1 year ago #

14. sheesh
    Member

    Alfonso Bedoya said:
    Oh my Sheeshy... feeling a bit left out, are we?

    Jealousy is very unattractive Mate.

    

    Posted 1 year ago #

15. han
    Member

    Alfonso Bedoya said:
    Ha... yeah, I'm not surprised you applaud Sheesh for his post... you are one of the "cocks" I was talking about.

    aye alf - i actually agreed with what he posted - shock, horror etc
    and it takes one to know one......just cos we don't all agree with u u tashioed bender knobheadloving tree hugger

    Posted 1 year ago #

16. han
    Member

    Alfonso Bedoya said:
    Oh my Sheeshy... feeling a bit left out, are we?

    Jealousy is very unattractive Mate.

    but a massive ego is ok then?

    Posted 1 year ago #

17. uncleknobheadffs
    Member

    SUCK IT NOW

    HARDER

    LKHM
    
    hoofing

    Posted 1 year ago #

18. Alfonso Bedoya
    Moderator

    han said:
    but a massive ego is ok then?

    

    What a poor effort...

    Posted 1 year ago #

19. Calvino
    Member

    SAF got it wrong. Which team in the last three seasons has played them with a two man central midfield Alf? That was why we are very lucky not to have conceded more than three. it could easily have been far worse. We made so much easier for them in a game we needed to be tight and safe FIRST. We went for a shoot-out with a team like that.

    I hate to say this but if Rafa benitez had to set the team up with the same players he would not have allowed us to go 4-4-2. We would have choked the midfield FIRST and rely on anything we can get on the break. Barca would have had to work harder than we made them. Rio and Vida were fit and so they would have squeezed up and then Carrick would have just sat in front in that area were Barca do the worst damage. It does not matter if it was a boring game. MANY OF US WOULD HAVE TAKING A BORING ONE NIL DEFEAT TO WHAT WE HAD ON SATURDAY.

    Dear Sir Alex Ferguson, the 4-4-2 formation with two strikers and two central midfielders is DEAD. Please stop playing this. Thank you very much sir. Regards,
    A Loyal Fan.

    Posted 1 year ago #

20. Alfonso Bedoya
    Moderator

    Cal... with a 4-5-1... it would have been no different... we just don't have the midfield players... we still would have been chasing them around the pitch, but we'd have had even less threat going forward when we got the ball back.

    The problem was not getting the ball back... we had exactly as much possession as we expected... 30/40%... it's what we did with it... nothing... Fergie wanted Rooney to drop deep to help out the midfield, and leave Chico up top to give their defense something to worry about... it might actually have worked IF...

    We'd have shown a bit more composure on the few times we had the ball... and if Chico hadn't kept stepping offside.

    A capable 4-4-2 was capable of scoring more goals against that defense... but sadly... we didn't have the midfield for that either... and Chico showed his inexperience.

    Posted 1 year ago #

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