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uncleknobheadffs
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3 LIONS YEAH
ROONEY GERRARD LAMPARD JT RIO the GOLDEN GENERATION
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THE FUTURE - WILSHERE WELBECK RODWELL JONES HENDERSON GIBBS JONES KELLY SMALLING CLEVERLEY CARROLL HART WALCOTT MCEACHRAN WICKHAM - THE FUTURES BRIGHT THE FUTURES ENGLAND, JUST LIKE THE PAST AND PRESENT
we will batter the french
I am an englishman before a utd fan, ENGLAND>UTD (however LKHF>ENGLAND)
sack thr speccy itie cunt cuntpello
Alfonso Bedoya
Moderator
sidney said:
COME ON YOU ENGLISH LIONS, DO IT FOR WILLIAM AND MIDDLETON, OUR NEW ENGLISH ROSEAt half time the pundits will discuss what dress Kate might wear - will it be thick, or thin, long or short, traditional or modern, what colour etc.
INGERLAAANNDDD
I can't say I understand your, anti-England attitude Sid... this is a wonderful country... with a grand history, and fantastic people. The problem is the people in charge... which is a complaint you could make for most countries.
There is a hell of a lot to be said for this country Sid... it's not all bowler hats, and codswallop.
Spike
Member
sidney said:
YEAH ENGLANDIF YOU BUILD A FUCKING MOSQUE WE'LL BURN IT DOWN
When and Where..Spike will be there....ffs if i was younger i'd be a rapper...oh noooooo 
Heskey for Ingerlund..Ram the 3 Pussys down the cockrell throat!
sidney
Member
Alfonso Bedoya said:
I can't say I understand your, anti-England attitude Sid... this is a wonderful country... with a grand history, and fantastic people. The problem is the people in charge... which is a complaint you could make for most countries.There is a hell of a lot to be said for this country Sid... it's not all bowler hats, and codswallop.
Course. I'm proud of our music, our culture, our community, our radical history etc. That's the England I celebrate
You've got to differentiate between the concept of Englishness and the England football scene. They are two completely different things. Englishness to me is about the stuff I mentioned - not about what the England scene celebrates... the monarchy, the empire, the loyalist and fascist bollocks, the IMMIGRANTS GO HOME banner, the EDL chants, pro-Thatcher chants etc. That's not my England - I aren't celebrating that shit
Tomorrow, there will be at least two mentions of William's wedding - Chiles will mention it before kick off and the commentators will mention it during the game. Bet ya
Ted
Member
Bollocks to England. Nothing against the players who ever they may be. More to do with the pricks in grey suits that have been guilty of picking clueless goodygoody fuckwits for managers. Sven, That prick with the brolly,wilkinson, Keegan, Hoddle, Graham shaggin Taylor, Venables, all fuckin cock heads. I just hope when United players are involved they don't get injured. Could'nt give a fuck about them otherwise.
One love.............simple as.
Alfonso Bedoya
Moderator
brianofnazareth said:
It's not all grand though.... a lot to hang your heads in shame with as well...like most other countries..
You know... I hear that a lot... England has a lot to be ashamed of... like empire, and slavery and blah, blah...
Those are traits of man kind... not just England...
The fact is... it was the way of the times... advances in sailing technology and naval tactics, opened up the whole world to exploration and colonial expansion... if England had done nothing at all... it still would have happened... by the Dutch, Spanish, French, etc... if Europe hadn't been first it would have been the Japanese... if it hadn't been the North, it would have been the South...
However, it was the North, it was Europe, and... at that particular time in history... England was the best... ashamed my arse... I'm fuckin proud of Empire... I'm not so proud of partition, and the like... but again... it was a neccessary evil of the social evolution of the whole world... that's the way things HAD to happen... it's only in hindsight that we can criticise history.
The Yanks can't be proud of Hiroshima either... but the sad, brutal truth is, the bomb was built to blow up... eventually, someone was going to get it... and only then would we see what a horrifying thing we'd done.
That's man for you.
But I love this country...
sidney
Member
Alfonso Bedoya said:
You know... I hear that a lot... England has a lot to be ashamed of... like empire, and slavery and blah, blah...Those are traits of man kind... not just England...
The fact is... it was the way of the times... advances in sailing technology and naval tactics, opened up the whole world to exploration and colonial expansion... if England had done nothing at all... it still would have happened... by the Dutch, Spanish, French, etc... if Europe hadn't been first it would have been the Japanese... if it hadn't been the North, it would have been the South...
However, it was the North, it was Europe, and... at that particular time in history... England was the best... ashamed my arse... I'm fuckin proud of Empire... I'm not so proud of partition, and the like... but again... it was a neccessary evil of the social evolution of the whole world... that's the way things HAD to happen... it's only in hindsight that we can criticise history.
The Yanks can't be proud of Hiroshima either... but the sad, brutal truth is, the bomb was built to blow up... eventually, someone was going to get it... and only then would we see what a horrifying thing we'd done.
That's man for you.
But I love this country...
Thing is Alf, like you said, Empires don't come about by being nice to people. For many the legacy of the empire is fresh... and of course the empire still exists in some form. We're still being oppressed by our rulers, we're still fighting military campaign and have done consistently since WW2, we're chummed up nicely alongside the only superpower, America, and we're currently courting the next superpower, China
It's a complex issue, Englishness. We need to be able to accept the atrocities and appreciate the positive outcomes.
Obviously I'm biased, but I honestly believe that we would benefit greatly from having a strong, successful UK film industry as they are crucial in helping create a strong national identity. Look at Hollywood for example.
But there's s shitloads to be proud of other than the empire such as FREE healthcare for all (what's left of it), free legal representation for all (what's left of it), our committment to objective media via the BBC (what's left of it), free social housing for the vulnerable (what's left of it), education for all (so long as you're rich), freedom of expression (hah) etc.
Don't worry though, during Cameron's reign we will be at war with the Argies, again, and smash fuck out of Iran. Then national pride will be stonger than ever
Ted
Member
Lets be honest, is there a more cringeworthy site than seeing a load of small club little "Inglunders" larging it up in some old commy backwater like Moldova or Lithuania with their ST George flags. From footballing hotbeds like York, Derby and Solihull.
Its no fluke why you never see any with MUFC written on them. Cozz United fans distanced themselves probably 25 years ago.
After all, they are a fuckin laughin stock are'nt they. 
Ted
Member
Spike said:
Bet the frogs horse whip em...
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Whats fuckin new? Don't know why Ingurlund did'nt pack in trying to get an international team together years ago. The whole set up has made being english embarrassin!
Fuckin gobshites!
madredmonkey
Member
Ted said:
Lets be honest, is there a more cringeworthy site than seeing a load of small club little "Inglunders" larging it up in some old commy backwater like Moldova or Lithuania with their ST George flags. From footballing hotbeds like York, Derby and Solihull.Its no fluke why you never see any with MUFC written on them. Cozz United fans distanced themselves probably 25 years ago.
After all, they are a fuckin laughin stock are'nt they.
Couldn't have put it any better.
4-4-2 is dead and buried and I hope United never play it again. France are schooling England this night with the way they have played it. Nasri and Malouda have showed how the wide players can populate the midfield and allow the full-backs hug the touchline. They also play a SOLE striker. Just like the Spaniards do.
We have enough players at United to play that way really and I know if Carlos was at Old Trafford that is how we will be playing.
sidney
Member
BOOOOOOO at half time and full time
It's been like this since Euroe '96 - First bit of quality they come against and England shit out
You've got 5 top players; Lampard, Gerrard, Rooney, Terry & Cole, and 4 of them have been boo'd and abused for long periods by England fans. The only don't boo Frank 'cos his mam's dead and they feel sorry for him. Saint Frank
They still don't have a style of play
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