Good idea of the chants section. However youtube is your friend as it has loads of chants with lyrics.
Glazers claim 50k season tickets sold(46 posts) (10 voices)
We are the biggest club in the world. We are Manchester United.
You have nothing to apologise for; I realise that your complaint was made out of the passion you feel for the club; I just wanted people on here to realise that most fans who travel long distance to Old Trafford regard it as a pilgrimage; the highlight of their football year.
Catholics go to Rome; Muslims go to Mecca; Red Devils go to Old Trafford; it’s like a little taste of heaven for 90 mins.
Main problem with atmosphere at OT these days is
1) spread of singing fans amongst a larger attendance than ever
2) design of roof over Stretty and East Stands.
Where I have sat mostly for some 40 years now, near Stretty Tier 2, sound volume is as high as ever sometimes.
However if I have had the ‘honour’ to sit amongst the moaning South Standers on occasion – well that’s all I hear – whingeing (often Mancs) characters who quell any sound that may have escaped from the goal ends under the eaves.
Hardly any surprise, then, that Fergie and the media are always on about the atmosphere, methinks.
Well given that it will cost enough to build South Stand up to accommodate even more moaning Mancs and given that is likely to be low on Glazers shopping list, I can’t see cantilevers over West and East getting an overhaul.
So group all those dedicated chanters in Tiers 1 and 2 of Stretty and let it blast in unison like the good old days.
Nice apology from Rob, by the way.
Gill and Glazer cunts have been lying to us again
Man Utd put 4,000 season tickets up for sale http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/teams/m/man_utd/8850768.stm
There is no "waiting list". Despite the Glazers' extraordinary hard sell tactics, they can't shift thousands of tickets.
The '50k season tickets sold' story is more Glazer PR bullshit
I was shocked to see on the Red Cafe website that there are a couple of 'United fans' defending the Glazers.
Now, how sad is that?
Sid, you should have a read. There's a thread on there about United season ticket renewals plummeting.
Unregistered User said:
It’s pathetic to hear the constant bleating of the stupid people who just won’t give up their seat for one season.
You come across as somebody who's never been to a game in his life and doesn't realise what it means to go regularly over several years....who doesn't get the emotional connection. What if you've been going for 20 years? 30 years? Do you think it's really that easy for someone to just give up their ticket? And then what? When the Glazers have fucked off the club will hand our season tickets back?
I applaud those who give up their season tickets precisely because it is the difficult thing to do. Some have to do so out of cost, others do so because of the Glazers. There are lots of reasons. But don't denigrate those who can't bring themselves to give up their tickets - because it's not an easy decision to make, as you make it out to be.
The big problem with giving up your ST for just one season is the uncertainty of getting it back.
Suppose that 50,000 had boycotted this season and Glazers had sold up to some Knight in Red.
Then what next year ? More than ever stampeding to get in.
The fact remains that United mean more to most fans than just who runs the club.
And if you want to guarantee your place at the Theatre where History is continually being made – you hold on to your ticket.
So what you both seem to be saying is that making sure you hold onto your season ticket is more important than the long term future of the club. Pretty selfish outlook if you ask me. Surely securing the more stable long term future of the club is worth the risk of losing your season ticket for.
The main point that RedAlert260599 was making that if you want to continue handing over your money that’s fine but don’t then yap about how the Glazers are running the club. By continuing to fund them financially you forfeit the right to complain about them.
Personally I don’t yap about the Glazers.
As Ed knows, from long tirades on this site, my view is that all financial tykes who are able to stump up the means to run a club like United are all of the same genetic make-up.
I wonder, dear Liam, if you actually put your hand into your pocket and handed over some of your hard-earned dosh to have a nominal shareholding when they were available before the Glazers took over ?
Or, if you didn’t, was it just a useless bit of share certificate paper to you ?
Had you done so, together with the 160,000 others who have now signed up to MUST, we would not have been in this situation as of today.
But then it probably didn’t bother you about the ‘long-term future’ a decade or so ago.
Me, being selfish, did put what I could muster on the table.
The reason being exactly to avoid what has come to pass now.
Unfortunately only a relatively small number of like-minded fans did the same, so the inevitable came to pass.
So please, spare me the patronising about caring for the future.
I just want to support from the terraces the lads on the pitch who play for my club.
Not moan from a TV armchair.
Yep and I bought what I could afford too and made the Glazers force me to sell. But I don’t buy the retrospective argument that it’s fans’ fault for not buying in 1991. How could people know it would turn out like this? Being smug after the fact doesn’t add to the debate.
This was a key stage though. People handing money over to the Glazers now are supporting their continuing ownership of the club – that’s beyond doubt.Editor & Moderator at http://www.unitedrant.co.uk
Liam, it's very very easy to moralise against people who still go to the games and criticise them as selfish. However, when you have been going season after season, it's much easier said than done, believe me. We all hate the Glazer regime, yes? If giving up a season ticket was so easy everyone would boycott the games would they not? A sizeable number have stopped going - not necessarily because of the Glazers, there are other reasons such as cost. But not every season ticket holder, not even a majority, have stopped going. Call us selfish, whatever.
And this is what fucking irritates me about certain people who moralise, people who take the easy option and take the moral high ground - very often, armchair supporters. Unless someone goes regularly, they surely can't begin to understand why it's difficult to boycott. They may think they understand, but they just don't get it. This is why I admire those who do so out of principle.
I've said it before but what would stop me from going would be if I ultimately couldn't afford it any longer.
I guess it's a fair point, though, that those who fund the regime cannot then complain about it. I once made an observation that you see Green and Gold protesters at Old Trafford who walk around with their purchases from the Megastore. There is a level of hypocrisy there, I agree.
@ real red – and that’s how the glazers do whatever they like – price inelasticity. Or in laymans terms the fans are grabbing their ankles and the glazers are giving it to them. Sans lube!
I was not trying to moralise or preach at anyone. I’m not a season ticket holder, never have been and am unlikely to ever be due to geographical constraints. I don’t know how hard it would be (well I have an idea but that probably pails in comparison to the reality) to give it up. What I took an issue with was the idea (or what I perceived the idea to be) that holding onto seasons tickets is paramount over all else.
If a holder doesn’t think attempting to take part in a mass refusal to renew season tickets will help get rid of the Glazers then I certainly don’t begrudge them holding onto their cherished ticket.
If they do think it would help then it is for themselves to ask whether or not they are willing to risk their ticket for the long term good of the club. I would like to think I would be magnanimous enough to do so if I was in this bracket.
Fair play to you Real Red for buying shares at a time when you could. Tbh, only until perhaps a year ago could I have ever entertained the idea of investing in shares. Due to monetary constraints before this time it would simply have been the stuff of fantasy.
Well I don’t feel smug. Just the opposite in fact.
I only wish I had had the guts at more than one AGM to give voice.
Not that it would have made that much difference given my small holding.
For that, I apologise to the likes of Liam and others.
Still let’s do some simple math.
50K STs already sold (minus execs). Remainder now on open market.
I’ll wager at least 1/2 of those get snapped up.
That leaves possibly 5K extra tickets, at most, for each match compared to last season.
Now look at fixtures (minus Euro and League Cups).
First homes Newcastle, West Ham and Liverpool.
Most of tickets will still go for them.
Then we have a run of West Brom, Wolves, Wigan type mediocres.
I agree it’s possible that we could see an attendance of less than 70K for one of them – but what happens if United are back on top ?
And then Spurs, later. Arsenal, the Xmas games followed soon after by City in New Year.
Will Mr Drasdo and his chums still be boycotting those if we’re pushing top ?
(I mean, I assume HE gave up HIS season ticket this year).
Or will he be sneaking out of his MUST office during dark, dreary, winter afternoons down the back streets of Elton and Railway Road over the Stretty bridge and into the Ticket Office ?
The net effect will be a possible loss of 2,000 or so ticket sales average per match – at most.
What’s that? Around 1.6 million ? Wow. Glazers will still be smirking.
(OK I admit I have not taken full effect of any large Exec boycott – but they will still recoup a lot of that by selling packages just slightly short on last year’s ‘deals’)
So, boycott the Megastore you may say.
Well apart from upsetting Little Johnny on his first game from Northern Ireland, the only one you’ll hurt is Nike who have already bought out the franchise and sponsorship, paying up front for the privilege to sell their over priced kits and suchlike.
That leaves TOTAL boycott – which would be 2011/2012 season now at earliest.
Can you see that ?
Ironically the only thing that would bring that on is a lousy -very lousy – team performance on the field.
And none of us would want that now … would we ?
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