Unfortunately it's hard to see how fan ownership could ever possibly happen for United now. The Glazers aren't going to let go for any less than 1.5 or 2 billion, which is far too much money for thousands of fans to come up with and come up with a manageable ownership structure.
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Stevie D
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Posted by unregistered user: Stevie DWhile I accept Fergie makes some strange selections at certain times, I’m trying to justify his selection to myself:
1) Perhaps Fergie played Jones ahead of Rafael due to the physical threat of City. They did score from a set piece, so ultimately his worry in this regard was not totally unfounded. Smalling, who has played quite well at right back this season, obviously had to play in the centre, so Jones was the only other physical defender we have who could play right back. Also, Rafael has had a few stinkers this season, not just against Everton like some people are pontificating, so perhaps Fergie thought there wasn’t much difference between Jones and Rafa so he went for the more physical.
2) Giggs v Young: Surely I can understand him playing Giggs. Despite his current form, he’s a man for the big occasion. Ashley Young, however, has had a very hot a cold season. Given the choice between Giggs and Young in a massive game…..I would probably take Giggs, seeing as he hadn’t really started any games lately and was relatively fresh.
3) Rooney lone striker – He’s played that role quite well for us in the past. We only needed a draw. Why not pack the midfield where City are so dangerous? Wellbeck could be an impact sub then if things went wrong….
4) Park over Valencia….well I can’t justify that one!We played for the draw. We kept it very tight for the whole game. Although we didn’t offer much threat, City didn’t really have any chances. So Fergie’s tactics worked quite well really….excluding a sloppy piece of defending from a set-piece which led to City’s goal. Fergie’s biggest mistake on the night was perhaps not responding to going a goal down sooner than he did.
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minde
Member Posted by unregistered user: mindefergie and glazers bit by bit ruining united completely, i can see in about 2-3 years we becoming the new liverpool – unable to get into top 4, if nothing gonna be done with them (glazers and fucking judas fergie – he sold united to those american cunts)
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DeadRevel
Member Posted by unregistered user: DeadRevelIt would be good to see, unfortunately the people who can make this decisions are motivated by greed. City for example would have no interest in this because it would hinder them.
This means players would be given the option of playing for clubs that adhere to regulated leagues with a focus on pure football rather than economic power, or play for a club like City which will simply offer any player 10x the amount a regulated club could offer. If United opted in, but City didn’t, our club would probably be ruined within 4/5 years.Most people prioritise self-interest over equality. This is why socialism doesn’t work and free market capitalism rules the world. It would be nice for football to lead the world into an era of financial equality…. but I don’t see that happening in my life time, and I’m 24.
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Marlon
Member Posted by unregistered user: MarlonFootball wouldn’t be leading the way – the NHL (Ice Hockey in N. America) already has a salary cap system. For them it is $60 million – and then they have a maximum player wage and minimum wage within that system. The cap size is reviewed each year. Oddly they also have a minimum salary level that a club must pay if they want to compete in the league. That would be odd in our system with promotion/relegation etc.
Also i think it could happen in football if most big clubs agreed to it. Arsenal would love it, Roman wants Chelsea to be sustainable on its own, United Madrid and Barca are all in serious debt as are most in the top 5 leagues. As far as I know Italian clubs have some serious debt too. Bayern are OK but they are always saying other clubs should be like them and work within their financial constraints.
It would have to be UEFA wide for CL at least. There would be a few players who would got to far east, middle east etc. for money, but I think the money would still be good enough for the best to stay in Europe, at least when in their prime (can’t blame them for having a retirement bonus).
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SKW
Member Posted by unregistered user: SKWIt’s a thin margin.
If it was 0-0, and we kept the title, people would be hailing Fergie a genius. After all, one header is all that separated the teams.
But before I get blasted, let me say United are clearly a team in decline, and their panicked grasp has slipped from the trophy. We don’t drop points in sweaty bum time, but we have this year, and that’s because our manager has papered over the cracks of a very ordinary side that has tanked — yes, tanked — in just about every important match this year. Chelsea will roar back next year. Arsenal will be better too. And City? They will win it and still buy players.
We’re in decline, and we need to face up to it…
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19 and Counting
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Commenter said:
It’s a thin margin.If it was 0-0, and we kept the title, people would be hailing Fergie a genius. After all, one header is all that separated the teams.
But before I get blasted, let me say United are clearly a team in decline, and their panicked grasp has slipped from the trophy. We don’t drop points in sweaty bum time, but we have this year, and that’s because our manager has papered over the cracks of a very ordinary side that has tanked — yes, tanked — in just about every important match this year. Chelsea will roar back next year. Arsenal will be better too. And City? They will win it and still buy players.
We’re in decline, and we need to face up to it…
It's going to get harder and harder to win the EPl and all of the top clubs will strengthen - even Pool supposedly. And let's remember we also want to do well in the CL. So it would be suicide imo if we didn't bring in some quality players this summer. SAF knows and Gill knows it but we'll see if the fudns are available and if these quality players want to come to OT.
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This season has raised two interesting questions for me
- What in the heck do our scouts actually do
- What in the heck do our medical team doWhy can we not do like Newcastle, and sign absolute quality for rock bottom prices? Why are the players who are injured, not fully fit when they come back, or seem to be out forever? Part of me is NOT convinced that our medical team is doing everything they can. I just am not convinced at all. We can't be getting this many bad injuries, especially recurring ones.
If I was Fergie, I think the first thing I would do is look to get new conditioning coaches, new medical team with leading edge technology to support, and rip out some the scouts and replace with new ones, especially in continental Europe.
Then, this summer, I'd be looking to bring in
- Combative, driving midfielder. Nasty attitude, flexible, strong, and technical good, Javi Martinez fits the bill here. I've only come to love him more since he wound Ronaldo up at the weekend. Fellaini would be my second choice, tied with Cheik Tiote. I would promote Tunnicliffe into the first team.
- Pacey, explosive creative midfielder. Eden Hazard would appear to fit the bill. Shinji Kagawa is a player I've liked since the last world cup. I'd love to get Thomas Muller, but that's dream talk.
- Full back (preferably flexible, preferably young) - Possibly Nate Clyne?
So we'd be spending big this summer, then, and try and keep the side fit with the new medical team, and get the scouts to earn their money and unearth some absolute gems a la Vidic, Evra, Hernandez.
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Ben - I agree with the above. I've been ranting my arse silly for months about how utterly incompetent our medics and scouts are. Dong, Manucho, Bebe, Anderson, ffs.
Don’t be trapped by dogma — which is living with the results of other people’s thinking.
Don’t let the noise of others’ opinions drown out your own inner voice - Steven JobsPosted 1 year ago # -
DamnedUnited
Member Posted by unregistered user: DamnedUnitedI think its more down to the other clubs pouncing on United targets once the scouts express interest.
Until a few months ago, no top club feared Newcastle and so let their targeted players alone thinking they wouldn’t be that good.
But that said, it is depressing how only three immediately brilliant signing have been made in the last 6 years. (Evra, Vidic and Hernandez). More needs to be done.
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Bill
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Newcastle have done really well in the transfer market in the last 12 months or so for sure.
Our signings over the last few years, lets review them with a mark out of ten:
2009/10
Valencia 8/10 - 17 mill - HIT
Owen 5/10 - Free - MISS
Obertan 4/10 - 3 mill (sold to Newcastle for 3 mill) - MISS
Diouf 4/10 - 4 mill (sold to Hannover for 1.5 mill) - MISS2010/11
Smalling 8/10 - 8 mill - HIT
Hernandez 8/10 - 7 mill - HIT
Bebe 3/10 - 7 mill - MISS
Lindegaard 6/10 - 2.5 mill - HIT2011/12
Young 7/10 - 17 mill - HIT
Jones 7/10 - 17 mill - HIT
De Gea 7/10 - 17 mill - HIT
Scholes 9/10 - Free - HITSignings fall into 3 main categories - big money/marque i.e 20 mill+, established 10-20 mill & gamble 0-10 mill.
Of the gambles Hernandez, Lindegaard & Smalling were really well scouted, we knew what Scholes was capable of and the rest have pretty much been failures. Owen did what was expected of him but is too injury prone to be counted as a success.
Of the middle of road signings, all have been a success. The last major marquee signing was Berbatov and before that Hargreaves. They both haven't lived up to their billing so perhaps this explains why we don't spend big.
This summer we could get a 20 mill midfielder plus two players who are out of contract, worth about 10-15 mill but we will only have to pay less through compensation ie Clyne and Hoillet. Sigurdsson might be available for under market value due to the strange way his home club do business.
Will be interesting!
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Bill
Member List of United transfers going way back. Very good website:
http://www.transfermarkt.co.uk/en/manchester-united/transfers-alle/verein_985.html
Interestingly for the last three years the net spend has been as follows:
2009/2010 = +64mill
2010/2011 = -10mill
2011/2012 = -37millSo a net spend of around 20-25 mill could be accurate to balance things up since the Ronaldo transfer - 3 in, Berbatov out and possibly Park. Criminal really considering how much money United generate a year!
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DeadRevel
Member Posted by unregistered user: DeadRevelWell done. You just mentioned 4 players who haven’t made the grade. You’re a clever cunt aren’t you.
If United had bought Cisse he would have cost 15MIL and you lot would be whinging that he didn’t cost 30MIL and isn’t ‘world class’.
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Urval87
Member Posted by unregistered user: Urval87To me, aside from the City defeat, the Real vs Bayern game was a much bigger reality check. The speed of the passing and the overall level of play in the game was truly astounding. While watching, I was sadly resigned to the fact that this United squad cannot play that level of football.
Surely now, unless we wish to completely give up on the Champions League for the next few years, we must add quality to the squad —- I don’t care where it comes from, whether through big names or bottom fishing. More Rooney level players need to come in quickly.
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Matt – because United is a singular. Are there multiple Uniteds in the clause of the sentence? Am I referring to more than one United in the sentence? There’s this weird thing in England where we create collective nouns for a singular entity. Just because there ARE 11 players in a team, doesn’t mean there IS any more than one team!
It’s not correct, but its repeated even in quality newspapers.
If its ‘getting to you’ it’s because of your poor use of the English language, and habitual misunderstanding of the difference between singular and plural. I don’t blame you though, your miseducation is entirely the government’s fault. Any government.
“Sir Alex Ferguson IS a man”
“Manchester United IS a football club”
“Nani, Phil Jones and Wayne Rooney ARE footballers”Posted 1 year ago # -
Stevie D – sorry, can’t help myself sometimes!
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sheesh
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Commenter said:
If United’s bought by a Middle-Eastern tycoon, I will stop supporting the club.Fair enough, but you might be on your own mate. If you ask which would be more preferable, the owners we have now with some rich arabs i know i would prefer the latter. That's the way many football clubs seem to be heading - except ourselves.
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han
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sheesh said:
Fair enough, but you might be on your own mate. If you ask which would be more preferable, the owners we have now with some rich arabs i know i would prefer the latter. That's the way many football clubs seem to be heading - except ourselves.the time to stop supporting united if anyone could contemplate the thought would have been when the gimps took control and several years of leeching haven't diminished support in any real form, so if some rich mid east family wish to buy, they are more than welcome because it will mean funds galore
football is a business, plain and simple
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