United Rant

1. Herbie Simms
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   Posted by unregistered user: Herbie Simms

   Madremonkey asks whats going on with United.
   We only have a few world class players compared to Man. City
   that have 800 million pounds of world class players. Thats the problem.
   We have a manager that has been there too long and has now run out of ideas. As Alfonso said, we have had a midfield problem for so long now
   and there are thousands of world class midfielders around the world, yet SAF is trying to tell us that he cannot find world class midfielders better then what we have now. BULLSHIT is all I can say. Man City will win this league by at least 15 points. What will be SAF excuse after that?

   Posted 1 year ago #

2. Damian Garside
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   Posted by unregistered user: Damian Garside

   I think we should forget about getting players to put in a challenge for the League title: a few more rampant high-scoring wins by City and the top sides in the PL will be very wary against them even at home, playing safety-first conservatively rather than trying to put them in their place. This means that short of a complewte implosion — which their morale -boosting 6-1 win over us will do a l9ot to prevent– they should win the title at a canter.

   What we need are players who can help us to create a cutting-edge high tempo style of play that ffs is at least watchable. No more thinking if we just sneak a 1-0 win in the last minute wewon’t lose sight of the sky-blue juggernaut and may just catch them when they faulter in the home straight, They are not going to faulter — and if they do, iot will be Chelsea, not us who are the beneficiary (presuming that Newcastle are definitely implode). We need the 2 best central midfielders available that money can buy, one defensivce and one creative, and we need to get some young exciting talent to cover other areas of weakness — and we need an unplayable striker– the closest thing to Messi that we can get. Otherwise, however Fergie puts his team toge5ther, it will stuill fall short and , what’s actually worse, play like a stuffed-up 19C steam-engine, rather than a cyborg assassin from the future, scoring goals absurdl;y and at will.

   The bill for all of trhis: probaly starts at around 150 million.

   Posted 1 year ago #

3. sidney
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   Everyone is panicking. It's really not that bad. Well, the midfield is, but we're still a top team. Talk of needing to spend £150m is bollocks - as is talk of Fergie running out of ideas FFS

   Every season we put in these boring drab 1-0 performances and every season people start fretting. It's reminiscent of when Chelsea came to the fore and United fans were bricking it thinking we would never be able to match them, and that they would walk the league until Abramovic was arrested or dead.

   It's true we need a major rethink. We're living in the City era now and we need to make them the focus of our attention domestically because they're currently the best team in the league. But that rethink is probably already under way. The club can forecast these things better than we can. I reckon they predicted City would get off to a flyer, that's why we had to as well in order to stay in touch. On the whole we're in good shape to challenge. It was only a month or so ago that we had the best young squad in Europe - the new busby babes. A couple of midfielders and we'll have a better 11 than City, and a better squad

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4. sheesh
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   To be fair to City, they are doing what Chelsea failed to do and that is look beyond buying their way to success i.e - have a long term strategy so that they don't have to keep buying superstars every year.

   It's hard not to be impressed by their plans to redevelop their infrastructure.

   http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1432259_manchester-city-plan-world-best-training-complex-with-a-7000-capacity-stadium

   This is what worries me about City. It's not just about their first XI. It's how they are investing all that money intelligently, something Abramovich never did.

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5. Alfonso Bedoya
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   sidney said:
   Everyone is panicking. It's really not that bad. Well, the midfield is, but we're still a top team. Talk of needing to spend £150m is bollocks - as is talk of Fergie running out of ideas FFS

   Every season we put in these boring drab 1-0 performances and every season people start fretting. It's reminiscent of when Chelsea came to the fore and United fans were bricking it thinking we would never be able to match them, and that they would walk the league until Abramovic was arrested or dead.

   It's true we need a major rethink. We're living in the City era now and we need to make them the focus of our attention domestically because they're currently the best team in the league. But that rethink is probably already under way. The club can forecast these things better than we can. I reckon they predicted City would get off to a flyer, that's why we had to as well in order to stay in touch. On the whole we're in good shape to challenge. It was only a month or so ago that we had the best young squad in Europe - the new busby babes. A couple of midfielders and we'll have a better 11 than City, and a better squad

   Sensible post Sid... but the midfield really is something to fret about.

   Not just because it's shit, but because it's been shit for years and it's holding back what could be a much better team.

   I'm of the opinion, like most sane football fans, that Barelona are the best team in the game, and would most likely have beaten us anyway, even if we'd have had a better midfield... however... you never know.

   One thing is for sure... we'd have given them a better game and not looked so toothless... and this is the same problem we've got right now.

   After the loss to Barca, Fergie looked to be finally convinced that our midfield was rubbish, and more or less promised to tackle the problem...

   Out goes Scholes and in comes Young and Cleverly... pfft...

   Are Barcelona supposed to be scared now?

   Come on Sid... that's not what we needed... not even close...

   And this where the Glazers come in... they have completely changed the mentality of United.

   With the money this club generates, we SHOULD be a World elite club, competing for the worlds elite players... but time after time, we are outbid, by more ambitious clubs, and then told we're just being reasonable, in an unreasonable market.

   Bollocks... we're operating on a budget, dictated by the Glazers financial plan.

   It's infuriating, because our reputation is deteriorating... and we are being left behind...

   "Badges, to god-damned hell with badges! We have no badges. In fact, we don't need badges. I don't have to show you any stinking badges, you god-damned cabrón and ching' tu madre! Come out from that shit-hole of yours. I have to speak to you."

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6. sidney
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   sheesh said:
   To be fair to City, they are doing what Chelsea failed to do and that is look beyond buying their way to success i.e - have a long term strategy so that they don't have to keep buying superstars every year.

   It's hard not to be impressed by their plans to redevelop their infrastructure.

   http://menmedia.co.uk/manchestereveningnews/news/s/1432259_manchester-city-plan-world-best-training-complex-with-a-7000-capacity-stadium

   This is what worries me about City. It's not just about their first XI. It's how they are investing all that money intelligently, something Abramovich never did.

   Not true. Abramovic also built Chelsea a brand new world class training ground and an academy, and 8 years on they're struggling. Why, because they have an owner who picks the 11, who hires & fires great managers that don't win major trophy's with a squad HE thinks is good enough, and who appears unwilling to shell out for a much needed overhaul because he insists upon getting value from players he has over-spent on, like Torres.

   Consider this, if City hadn't have won the lottery we would piss the league this season because Chelsea are no match - despite their wealth - despite the fact they can outbid us for every player on earth ten times over

   And Mansour isn't investing his money wisely. He's an idiot who knows fuck all about football. You don't have to look far for proof. Robinho FFS. What was that. And Hargreaves. Mancini said they had to sign him on the cheap because the money wasn't available with the FFP looming to bring in a world class midfielder as they are still paying out tens of millions in wages to cunts who are on loan - who are never gonna play for them again. Ridiculous

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7. denton davey
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   Posted by unregistered user: denton davey

   Damian Garside @ 7:33 a.m. “They are not going to faultier”

   Short memory – or what ?

   At this time last year the RentBoyz looked invincible; who won the EPL ?

   At this time three years ago BigFill had the RentBoyz looking like champions – who won the EPL ?

   I’d love to hear what SAF would say about such a defeatist attitude.

   Posted 1 year ago #

8. denton davey
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   Posted by unregistered user: denton davey

   Sidney @ 2:07: “

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9. denton davey
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   Posted by unregistered user: denton davey

   ooops.

   Sidney @ 2:07: “It’s true we need a major rethink. We’re living in the City era now”

   Really ? On the evidence of one game that spun out of control in the last minute and extra time.

   You seem to forget that even after Jonny Evans’ red card, UTD very nearly pulled the match level with Ashley Young having two excellent chances. Sure, they went on – six minutes after that – to score a brace and to effectively end the game against ten men.

   If it’s the “City era now” then what happened at Loftus Road yesterday ?

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10. sidney
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    Commenter said:
    ooops.

    Sidney @ 2:07: “It’s true we need a major rethink. We’re living in the City era now”

    Really ? On the evidence of one game that spun out of control in the last minute and extra time.

    You seem to forget that even after Jonny Evans’ red card, UTD very nearly pulled the match level with Ashley Young having two excellent chances. Sure, they went on – six minutes after that – to score a brace and to effectively end the game against ten men.

    If it’s the “City era now” then what happened at Loftus Road yesterday ?

    What happened at Loftus Road? City won. They passed the test. They beat an inform, awkward QPR side who were 'aving it after beating Chelsea 1-0, and they did so after a Euro away

    I get what you're saying though. You can get at City. They aren't complete, and they're shonky at the back. Mansours billions hasn't bought them an team of invincibles.

    When I say this is the City era I mean they should be our main focus because they're only going to get better. The Chelsea era is over... for now. The United era never ends

    Posted 1 year ago #

11. uncleknobheadffs
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    chelsea tried the youth route, brought arnesen in, all the kids he signed were shite, so they sacked him scrapped that route and went and spent 100m in 6 months on big names

    LKHM
    
    hoofing

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12. Damian Garside
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    Posted by unregistered user: Damian Garside

    A couple of things in response to this: firstly compairsons with Chelsea won’t work I am afraid: Chelsea went on sprees that had journalists thinking that they would storm their way through. But Chelsea’s game was based on strength and a very intimidating but direct controlling style of play. City, on the other hand, have strength and flair. So they may implode — but I think the odds are against it — and they same so much better than any oter team in the PL at the moment — when we are looking disjointed and without an snswer to our problems and not able to re-create the killer attacking play we had at the beginning of the season. This is not a season where — like the last couple — where we can fall over the line first in what looks like a three-legged sack race — this is a league where the kind of play required to win it needs an adjective from German rather than from English to describe it– because the team that wins this year will need power and style to do so — of an order we either don’t have period or do have but by the time we discover it it is going to be too late.

    City are determined that they are not going to be a laughing stock ever again — and they are showing that they are a real force to be reckoned with. It doesn’t matter that we nearly equalised in the 6-1 debale, fact is, we didn’t and we got destroyed imn a match that is now one of the happiest moments for City fans in their entire history. United fans must realise how much City want to win the league this year — how driven they are. We don’t have that drive — maybe next year we will — but not this year and not without big investment.

    As for what SAF would say about this defeatism: my question is, what is he going to do about catching City– apart from also praying that they do implode.

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13. sheesh
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    Abramovich made a half arsed attempt at going down the youth route, Sid. Chelsea had no clear strategy of how to ensure that they were signing the right players and how to blend those players into the first team. As far as Chelsea fans are concerned, Abramovich probably shouldn't have bothered.

    They used to have a decent academy but look at the number of products that came through since Abramavich took over. It has dried up. City still have Richards and, in the not too distant past, had players like Ireland, Wright-Philips, Barton and Sturridge.

    In terms of the sheer scale of the youth projects, I don't think you can compare what Abramovich has done at Chelsea to what City are doing in East Manchester. I don't think Mansour would be so committed to investing so much money into the youth system and on that scale if he was going to demand that the manager buy superstars every year for an indefinite period of time.

    I personally am very impressed going off the details in that MEN article.

    Robinho was more of a vanity purchase by the owners (a statement of ambition, if you will) who had literally just taken over the club. As for Hargreaves, what has he cost City really?

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14. Herbie Simms
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    My point is that if we can recruit world class youngsters into our football academy like they do at Arsenal, we would be so much further ahead. When was the last time a superstar has come out of our academy? Its alright saying we have a lot of promising youngsters in the academy, but aren’t all young footballers promising? At Barcelona, they look to bring in younsters with exceptional skills ans world class talent into their academy. At present, Morrison is the only world class talent but his head is not on right. That simply is not good enough for the future of United football. Our scouts have some work to do. We started the season playing with great style and purpose and now we look like a team that has never played together before. Somethings really wrong here.

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15. han
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    the yanks have bled £473 million out of the club in 5 years
    if they hadn't, SAF would have enough cash to buy big and not just decent youth with limited experience
    city are not just a blot on the landscape - unlike the rent boys, they have ample funds to buy AND PAY big money to whoever they want to bring in
    hate to say this, but the result 2 weeks ago at OT really has set the agenda for the rest of the season with teams already scared shitless when they roll up

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16. denton davey
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    Herbie Simmy @ 6:32: “if we can recruit world class youngsters into our football academy like they do at Arsenal, we would be so much further ahead.”

    world class youngsters at Arsenal – who are you talking about ? The only “world class youngster” they have had was Cesc Fabregas and they kidnapped him from Barcelona – the same way UTD kidnapped Gerrard Pique. Almost all of the other Arsenal kids have been flops.

    Tom Cleverley and Danny Welbeck look better than any pair of graduates from Arsenal’s academy. Everyone has high hopes for Ravel Morrison but he’s at the tricky point in his career – many have stumbled on the last step. However, Morrison is only one of three quality midfield prospects – Paul Pogba and Ryan Tunnicliffe are also highly regarded. Possibly not one of these guys will take that last step and graduate into the first-team squad but maybe all three will do so. They’re just kids and it’s really impossible to predict how they will develop.

    However, gnashing-of-teeth and tearing-of-hair makes one forget that UTD are defending EPL champions (four times in five years, mate) and have reached the CL final three times in four years. Too many of you guys are simply spoiled by success and have a ludicrously-inflated sense of entitlement.

    Furthermore, contrary to Han (@ 7:44), I see no especial virtue in buying “big”; even though it’s a less spectacular route to success, I’m with SAF in recruiting kids and inculcating them into TheUnitedWay. Of course, we’d all like that “way” to be as successful as Barcelona but being second-best means everyone else is below us.

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17. uncleknobheadffs
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    wilshere is obviously miles better than anyone we've brought through since scholes, and gibbs looks at least as talented as our two welbeck and clev

    we need to stop trying to be clever signing these shite unknowns and thinking they'll make it big, obentran bebe diouf tosic etc all wasted cash, fergie aint wenger when it comes to spotting unknowns gems , hernandez is the only one who's looked much cop

    sign more rooneys ronaldos and jones, definites whod already proved it a bit

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18. sidney
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    sheesh said:
    Abramovich made a half arsed attempt at going down the youth route, Sid. Chelsea had no clear strategy of how to ensure that they were signing the right players and how to blend those players into the first team. As far as Chelsea fans are concerned, Abramovich probably shouldn't have bothered.

    They used to have a decent academy but look at the number of products that came through since Abramavich took over. It has dried up. City still have Richards and, in the not too distant past, had players like Ireland, Wright-Philips, Barton and Sturridge.

    In terms of the sheer scale of the youth projects, I don't think you can compare what Abramovich has done at Chelsea to what City are doing in East Manchester. I don't think Mansour would be so committed to investing so much money into the youth system and on that scale if he was going to demand that the manager buy superstars every year for an indefinite period of time.

    I personally am very impressed going off the details in that MEN article.

    Robinho was more of a vanity purchase by the owners (a statement of ambition, if you will) who had literally just taken over the club. As for Hargreaves, what has he cost City really?

    But who's to say City's academy won't go the way of Chelsea's? Mansour is a meddler who throws money down the pisser. Even if it is a success it's gonna take at least 5 years for it to bear any fruit. And then how many youth products get into top 4 teams nowadays?

    My point is this... City will obviously go on to win major trophy's, but being mega rich isn't all plain sailing. And it doesn't mean that we might as well give up because they will win every major trophy for the next 50 years

    And Hargreaves... The point isn't how much he cost them - it's the fact that they had to sign a crock on the cheap, despite Mansour's riches, because of bad management -because nobody could be arsed to get rid of the 5 big earners on the wage bill

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19. Damian Garside
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    absolutely agree

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20. han
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    have you ever considered that city took hargreaves to try and rub our faces in the proverbial doggie poo - here was a player that we spent millions on, paid millions in salary and medical costs and then despatched saying he was no longer capable of playing for us
    lo and behold, city pick him up as a gamble on a free and a pay per play basis and if he isn't crocked completely, will wear their shirt and stick 2 fingers up at the OT staff who didn't do enough (according to him) to aid his recovery

    i don't buy the crap coming out of the city camp about being unable to afford anyone else

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21. sidney
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    han said:
    have you ever considered that city took hargreaves to try and rub our faces in the proverbial doggie poo - here was a player that we spent millions on, paid millions in salary and medical costs and then despatched saying he was no longer capable of playing for us
    lo and behold, city pick him up as a gamble on a free and a pay per play basis and if he isn't crocked completely, will wear their shirt and stick 2 fingers up at the OT staff who didn't do enough (according to him) to aid his recovery

    i don't buy the crap coming out of the city camp about being unable to afford anyone else

    Do you honestly think Mancini signed Hargreaves - who had barely kicked a ball in 3 years - simply to piss off United, when he could have signed any player in the world - including the likes of M'Vila and De Rossi?

    Watch the interview where he explains why they signed Hargo. It's a message to the board and the owners. He says with so many big earners out on loan - basically in limbo - they had to sign someone on the cheap. What he's saying is "sort it out FFS"

    Tevez is another example of bad management. He should have gone in summer but the club set a ridiculous £50m transfer fee in an attempt to claw back the bullshit sum they paid for him originally, only for it to fall flat on its arse because nobody is prepared to give the richest club on earth that kind of money.

    So now they're stuck with another player they have pissed off, who earns shitloads and takes up a massive chunk of the wage bill, and who is not contributing on the pitch. It's shambolic. Abramovic doesn't treat his acquisitions with such contempt.

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22. sheesh
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    sidney said:
    And Hargreaves... The point isn't how much he cost them - it's the fact that they had to sign a crock on the cheap, despite Mansour's riches, because of bad management -because nobody could be arsed to get rid of the 5 big earners on the wage bill

    Oh, I see.

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