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19 and Counting
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Minus The Bear
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It's probably the fact we are bidding to sign players or not sign them, in just about every position other than the gaping void that is the centre of our midfield. Anyway with Moura, Sao Paulo aren't mugs and his value is only going to go up after the Olympics and increased exposure.
Yeah its just been the two Marlon, suppose we could include Possebon at a stretch as well.
Alfonso Bedoya
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twisted blood said:
Or maybe not on Moura:
That stinks of bullshit to me.
If you're sending people all the way to Brazil, to negotiate a signing... then you at the very least know the fundamental situation... such as whether or not he's even for sale... or how much previous offers were rejected
So... either the price is negotiable, United is starting low, and Sao Paulo is just diggin in... or the player really ISN'T for sale, and United is run by muppets who don't know what their doing.
Or... this is all nonsense...
bman
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If there's any truth to it, then the Sao Paulo boss is just negotiating. Everyone is for sale for the right price. But I feel like I've seen managers and owners of clubs in Latin America and elsewhere just completely make up shit before, tell papers that Chelsea, Inter, etc. made a bid for a player when it's not true.
bman
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Also, if we really are trying to buy Moura, that's another reason to think Nani's off. Isn't Moura supposed to be a right wing/attacking mid type? I know nothing about him, but there's only so long we could keep buying players like Young, Kagawa, and Moura before someone has to be off.
One thing that I suspect is going to happen that's going to annoy the fuck out of me is that Real will buy Modric and then sell Nuri Sahin to someone fairly cheap, but not us. I've watched a fair few Dortmund matches in the past few seasons over the internet because they've been playing really entertaining football. Kagawa was one of the stars, but Sahin seemed gangbusters to me too before he went to Real, and he was a more central all-rounder type midfielder, exactly what we need.
Alfonso Bedoya
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http://www1.skysports.com/football/news/11661/7901228/Anderson-aiming-to-impress
I'll be amazed if we sign even one more player.
marlon
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Saw this on twitter earlier - perfectly sums up our midfield:
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Minus The Bear
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Real won't sell cheap to United. They gave them £80 million, why on earth would they do bargain deals with us when they can recoup some transfer fees?
They've got Gago, Sahin, Kaka, Canales, Altintop, Diara all who could waltz into United's midfield but they won't do them any favours over transfers...
marlon
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Sahin cost £8 million. In his current role he isn't worth the wages they're paying hime.
Also Van der Vaart £9 - cost £13, Robben £21 - cost £32, Sneijder £13 - cost £23, Huntelaar £13 - cost £23.
Sahin cost £8. He's probably costing about £4-5 in wages/year. If they buy Modric, selling Sahin makes sense.
Anyway it's a moot point. Most reports say he wants to stay. He got injured early on and then struggled to break into a form Madrid team. If Madrid is his dream, I'm sure he'll give it at least another season.
Shouldn't be a surprise. We won't get another CM until Scholes/Giggs retire. By then Powell will probably come in.
bman
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Sahin might not have the choice of staying. Madrid's just a high player turnover club, and they're particularly overloaded in central midfielders these days. Alonso, Diarra, Khedira, Sahin, Ozil, Kaka, Granero and probably at least one new big name this summer, probably Modric. That's an embarrassment of riches really.
Pikey McScum
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Just today I've heard us linked with Moura, Van Persie, Baines and Eriksen
Any fucking chance?
Minus The Bear
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It's okay lads, our midfield prayers have been answered...
A 14 year old "superstar" who can scrub around the Academy and Reserves before buggering off for nowt as he's tired of Fergie still playing Scholes, Giggs and Fletcher who occassionally just has to leave the pitch for a toilet break.
Berbatov has come out and reiterated his stance, i.e. I'd really like to leave if I'm not going to get played. I really hope some of the youngsters impress on the tour and then actually get used in proper matches by Fergie, rather than playing Valencia at right back.
Minus The Bear
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Vermijl is probably the exception in that he's turned out consistently for the reserves. Blackett is only just making the step up and Veseli came after not playing much at City and has struggled with injuries. Realistically someone like Clyne is the best that can be hoped for, yet I kind of feel if it was going to happen it would have happened already.
Looks like Chelsea have agreed to sign Oscar for £25 million. Essentially they've signed Marin, Kevin De Bruyne and Hazard for more or less the same position. Not to mention that they've already got Mata who does that role pretty well. Madness.
19 and Counting
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Minus The Bear said:
Vermijl is probably the exception in that he's turned out consistently for the reserves. Blackett is only just making the step up and Veseli came after not playing much at City and has struggled with injuries. Realistically someone like Clyne is the best that can be hoped for, yet I kind of feel if it was going to happen it would have happened already.Looks like Chelsea have agreed to sign Oscar for £25 million. Essentially they've signed Marin, Kevin De Bruyne and Hazard for more or less the same position. Not to mention that they've already got Mata who does that role pretty well. Madness.
Look at how many wingers/forwards we have and tell me THAT isn't madness. Add to that the rumors that we're looking at Moura and it really is unbelievable. Nani, AY, Valencia, Kagawa, Rooney, Welbeck, Chicharito, and Berba & Macheda still around. Even Cleverley and Anderfon are more attacking MFs so how SAF will choose his front 4 or 5 is beyond me.
I'm more concerned we're going to suffer a defensive crisis, not just at the back but in central MF where we lack options against the quicker teams. And we don't gave a Park who can run his ass off for 90 mins either. We better hope Vidic stays fit and SAF makes a couple more signings. I'm not starting to panic just get but I can't remember the start to a season where I had so much concern.
Alfonso Bedoya
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Minus The Bear said:
http://www.manutd.com/en/Tour2012Teaser/Tour2012News/2012/Jul/sir-alex-ferguson-delivers-team-news-for-amazulu.aspxRight so we are turning Robbie Brady into a left back.
So what?
If he develops well, and is happy to play there... what's the problem?
Alfonso Bedoya
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19 and Counting said:
Look at how many wingers/forwards we have and tell me THAT isn't madness. Add to that the rumors that we're looking at Moura and it really is unbelievable. Nani, AY, Valencia, Kagawa, Rooney, Welbeck, Chicharito, and Berba & Macheda still around. Even Cleverley and Anderfon are more attacking MFs so how SAF will choose his front 4 or 5 is beyond me.I'm more concerned we're going to suffer a defensive crisis, not just at the back but in central MF where we lack options against the quicker teams. And we don't gave a Park who can run his ass off for 90 mins either. We better hope Vidic stays fit and SAF makes a couple more signings. I'm not starting to panic just get but I can't remember the start to a season where I had so much concern.
What the hell you complaining about?
Moura is going to be a great player, and you're worried that he might displace Young, Anderson, Chico, Berbs, Macheda??? players that either might/should be sold, aren't living up to their potential, or simply aren't that good in the first place.
Fuck that... if he's an improvement on some of the mediocre dreck we've been accumulating over the past few years... then sign him up.
And what's the point in worrying about a defensive crisis before the season's even started? When fit, I'll stack our defense up against any in the league.
I agree that a tough tackling box to box midfielder, with an eye for a pass would be a good signing... but the best ones are rare, and expensive... more than what we'll spend, so that's not an issue... let's just get some proper talent in for a change and see if we can at least play some exciting football.
Minus The Bear
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Alfonso Bedoya said:
So what?If he develops well, and is happy to play there... what's the problem?
The jesus wept bit was more about pushing Valencia back. Hopefully he can do alright and it will be based on what they see in training. Hopefully Evra remains invincible and Fabio comes back from a full season at QPR more developed and ready to start taking a larger share of games off Evra.
Clyne appears to be off to Southampton, and as Ferguson said in that conference the left back is an area they are looking at, cue the Costa Rican Oviedo link resurfacing.
marlon
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If our formation is changing (or at least Rooney's position is being taken by a midfielder) then Moura makes sense. Our wingers (except Valencia) are quite versatile so for the three attacking positions behind the striker we have AV, AY, LN, SK and WR/DW can play there, but considering we have only 3 strikers (assuming Berba goes) we can't afford our strikers playing out of position. Its therefore common sense to have more than 4 players in rotation for 3 positions. Maybe Anderson/Cleverley and more likely Giggs could move forward, but given recent history they can hardly be relied upon. If you look at our squad depth at other positions, it only makes sense.
I think the confusion is between quality and depth. A club like United should be able to have quality depth and Fergie with his rotation has the ability to keep several players happy.
marlon
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Bill said:
You can't have 4 rookies like Wooton, Vermij, Veseli and Blackett as our cover going into the season nevermind using a left winger as a cover left back. Total insanity in my book, they are all totally unproven.
Rafael is at the Olympics, Vidic/Smalling should be fit to start the season, Jones/Evra will return from break, Evans might miss the start and Rio is already fit. So as it stands, with a month to go until the start of the season, we have one backup position available and Fergie is giving players in the system a chance to prove themselves. If it doesn't work, the transfer window is still open (surely pre-season is the best time to give an unproven player a chance?)
Insanity is going a bit far. Fergie said he was looking at one or two players. Knowing him it's not a CM. This Moura stuff might be true. He might also look at a left back. Let's judge him when the window closes.
Alfonso Bedoya
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van Persie?
http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/transfer-news/manchester-united-believe-robin-van-1148540
Bollocks!
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