Injuries hit ahead of Basel visit



Sir Alex Ferguson will be without seven key players for tonight’s visit of FC Basel in the Champions League, as Manchester United attempt to record a first victory in this season’s competition. Ferguson confirmed that strikers Wayne Rooney and Javier Hernández will miss the tie, while Jonny Evans, Chris Smalling, Nemanja Vidić , Tom Cleverley and Rafael da Silva are also absent for last year’s finalists.

Fresh injury concerns this week add to a growing list of absentees at Old Trafford, although Ferguson was always likely to rotate his side against one of the competitions lesser lights. Indeed, with United – on paper at least – drawn in a relatively weak group, Ferguson may use early matches to ensure fringe squad players achieve some playing time.

To that end Dimitar Berbatov, Michael Owen, Anders Lindegaard and Park Ji-Sung could play, while Fábio da Silva is likely to come into the side at right-back. And although Ferguson insists that Basel will pose a threat, United supports will expect a much-changed side once again, with Ryan Giggs partnering Michael Carrick in an open midfield, and Phil Jones reprising his weekend role at the heart of United’s central defence.

“Having a squad gives them a better chance of winning things, so they’ve accepted (the squad system) a long time ago,” Ferguson said on Monday.

“And they want to do well when they get the opportunity because as a group we all want to do well. They all have a part to play in the context of the number of games you have in the Premier League, Champions League, League Cup, FA Cup, it’s an exhausting season unless you use your squad. We have been consistent in the Champions League, our form away from home has been outstanding and we hope we can do better this year and win it, that’s the aim of this club all the time.”

“They’ve always been among the premier teams from Switzerland [which] has been producing very good young players for quite a few years now. Basel too have very good experience in Europe, so I expect to see that from them tomorrow.”

In Basel United faces an attractive side, unlike – some might argue – the Swiss national side at last summer’s World Cup in South Africa. Yet the odds seem stacked against the Swiss, with United having won 32 and drawn just three in an unbeaten streak at Old Trafford that dates back to Chelsea’s controversial win in April 2010.

Yet in Alexander Frei, Basel boasts a striker whose record at both club and international level is impressive. The locally-born forward has scored 48 times in 64 games since returning from Borussia Dortmund in 2009, while he has a one-in-two record over 84 international caps for Switzerland.

“We’re coming here as outsiders,” Frei is told Uefa.com.

“We’re not expecting to make the impossible possible, but why shouldn’t we achieve something? We’re going to be fully committed and give 100 per cent for the whole 90 minutes and we’ll see what happens.

“When I left Borussia Dortmund for Basel, I was hoping to experience Champions League fever again, and I’ve been able to do so twice in two seasons. I’d love to play on at this level for another three or four years to hopefully play at other big European grounds too like Barcelona’s and [Real] Madrid’s.”

Meanwhile, German coach Thorsten Fink insists his side arrives at Old Trafford with a positive mindset, despite being classed as rank-outsiders. Basel earned a 1-1 draw on the last occasion these sides met in 2002. However, Fink is missing key playmaker, and outstanding young prospect,  Xherdan Shaqiri through suspension

Fink was a member of the Bayern Munich that United famously beat 2-1 at Camp Nou in the 1999 Champions League final. But the coach, who replaced former Tottenham Hotspur coach Christian Gross as Basel’s manager in 2009, inists the game is about points, not revenue for ’99.

“We haven’t come here to sit and watch, we’re here to play,” claimed Fink.

“It’s going to be a challenge but we’re looking to get something out the game. To do that we’ll need to be tight at the back as United are clearly very strong in attack. They’re one of the favourites for the competition alongside Barcelona, but we’ve got experience, good young players and we won’t play with any fear. We’ll see what happens.

“There is no question of me trying to get even for [the 1999 UEFA Champions League final defeat with FC Bayern München]. I’m here as a coach, I’m glad to be here and so are the players. I have great memories of that game even though we lost, as I always think that everything that hurts you makes you stronger.

“We went on to win the Champions League in 2001 so that 1999 defeat definitely made Bayern stronger. We played well that day [in 1999] but it proved that if you let your guard down for a moment against a team like United you get punished.”

And even if that United team contains a host of changes from the exciting side that won its first five Premier League games in a row, the smart money still lies on a comfortable win for the Reds tonight.

Match Facts
Manchester United v FC Basel, Champions League, Old Trafford, 7.45pm, 27  September 2011.

Likely Line-ups
United (4-4-2): Lindegaard; Fabio, Jones, Ferdinand, Evra; Valencia, Carrick, Giggs, Park; Welbeck, Berbatov. Subs from: de Gea, Amos, Fletcher, Fryers, Pogba, Nani, Anderson, Diouf, Young, Owen.

Basel (4-4-2): Sommer; Steinhöfer, Dragovic, Abraham, Park; F Frei, Cabral, Xhaka, Zoua; A Frei, Streller. Subs from: Ajeti, Schürpf, Huggel, Streller, Yapi, Chipperfield, Stocker, Voser, Xhaka, Herzog, Kusunga, Colomba. Buess, Andrist, Kovac, Tembo, Wieser, Kwang-Ryong.

Form
United: WDWWD
Basel: WWWWD

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  • ltel

    4-0 berbs first goal…

  • ltel

    451 jnes and rio at centreback. midfield of young giggs ando carrick valencia, wellbeck up on his own.

  • ltel

    De Gea; Fabio, Jones, Ferdinand, Evra; Carrick, Anderson, Valencia, Giggs, Young; Welbeck.

    Subs: Lindegaard, Park, Nani, Fletcher, Owen, Berbatov, Diouf

  • RobDiablo

    I like it. Instead of putting out a side that “ought” to be good enough to win, as Sir Alex so often does, this lineup should give United exactly what it needs: victory and enough of a goal differential to be first or second in the group at the end of the day.

  • han

    wtf
    no berba up front? he did have a mare on saturday so i suppose it isn’t that shocking
    how many mirrors did he shatter during the summer ffs?
    welbeck is going to be too lite up front on his own
    we need to win our home games nice and early so the pressure is off in nov and december

  • ltel

    young or giggs can go up top anytime they want.i actually hope its anderson who is pushed forward

  • han

    ltel said:
    young or giggs can go up top anytime they want.i actually hope its anderson who is pushed forward

    yes i agree but i just would prefer a partner for young welbeck – he is still too green to lead on his own

  • han

    berba needs to have a word with SAF if he doesnt get on at all tonite

  • ltel

    yea that will go well…

  • han

    are basel a decent side? anyone know?

  • ltel

    they are ok.. better than championship i would say. they have experience at this level

  • sidney

    Welbeck up on his own… He’s not a ball holder upper

    Stick Jones up there, he’d do alright as a centre forward

  • RobDiablo

    ltel said:
    yea that will go well…

    Yeah, the next thing Berbatov knows, he’ll be playing for Basel.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    That’s fuckin ridiculous… like him or not, Berbatov deserves better than this…

    Ferguson is being a right cunt.

  • han

    RobDiablo said:
    Yeah, the next thing Berbatov knows, he’ll be playing for Basel.

    well lets face it – he is further down the pecking order than doofus at the moment
    and yet he hasn’t slagged anyone/the club off wanting a move unlike that judas over at city who is also 4th/5th choice striker
    football – fucking hell
    i hope he gets an opportunity to get on tonite and score

  • ltel
    • Mongoletsi

      That’s jumpy as fuck for me :o(

  • han

    no commentary on radio 5

  • ltel

    link there use it. why wouyld yo want a radio?

  • bman

    Alfonso Bedoya said:
    That’s fuckin ridiculous… like him or not, Berbatov deserves better than this…

    Ferguson is being a right cunt.

    I agree it’s ridiculous, but what choice does Fergie have? Berba just doesn’t get it done. He had his chance this weekend. That said, I thought he and Welbeck might make a nice combo, disappointed that we probably won’t see it in action.

  • ltel

    saving him for the business end of the season

  • han

    ltel said:
    link there use it. why wouyld yo want a radio?

    im old fashioned
    used to listen to commentary on radio 2 as a wee lad and never lost the habit

  • han

    bman said:
    I agree it’s ridiculous, but what choice does Fergie have? Berba just doesn’t get it done. He had his chance this weekend. That said, I thought he and Welbeck might make a nice combo, disappointed that we probably won’t see it in action.

    that sounds like a rite bummerism

  • ltel

    terrible header..square head fuckwit

  • han

    ltel said:
    terrible header..square head fuckwit

    thats not nice at all

  • ltel

    han said:
    thats not nice at all

    true tho

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    bman said:
    I agree it’s ridiculous, but what choice does Fergie have? Berba just doesn’t get it done.

    Fine… then sell him…
    Ferguson keeps going on in the press about how “Berbatov is important, and has a roll to play”… bollocks… he’s just dickin him about… if Berbatov can’t even get in the team in a home game against Basel…ffs…

    “Badges, to god-damned hell with badges! We have no badges. In fact, we don’t need badges. I don’t have to show you any stinking badges, you god-damned cabrón and ching’ tu madre! Come out from that shit-hole of yours. I have to speak to you.”

  • han

    aye alf
    fucking tragic the way he has been treated

  • han

    wellllllllllllllllllllbeckkkkkkkkk off the post
    what the fuck do i know????????

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Get in…

  • ltel

    get in.. hes doing well

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    two for welbeck, good lad

  • sidney

    I take it back, Wellinbeck

  • han

    fuck that
    2-0 wellbeck again

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Go on Danny boy…

  • sidney

    Giggs with 2 assists

    He must have the best assist record in Europe in relation to games played

  • sidney

    Fergie vindicated leaving Berba out

  • bman

    Fucking hell, I can’t watch and I have to follow the match on internet updates. I thought there was a mistake, because the the page said Welbeck scores from a Giggs assist twice in a row…

  • han

    bman said:
    Fucking hell, I can’t watch and I have to follow the match on internet updates. I thought there was a mistake, because the the page said Welbeck scores from a Giggs assist twice in a row…

    u can get updates on radio 5 – that is if you don’t mind listening to the commentary on the council house tenants

  • bman

    Welbeck is beginning to look like a bit of a goal machine, he’s really looking good so far this season – more dangerous than Hernandez even.

  • bman

    han said:
    u can get updates on radio 5 – that is if you don’t mind listening to the commentary on the council house tenants

    Don’t think that works outside the UK, I’m in the US at the moment…

  • han

    apart from rooney, has any other player scored a hat trick on his united debut in europe?

  • sidney

    Jones having a go at Rio then, I think

  • Just1n

    defense looking shite

  • reddread

    Jones, Young and De Gea were a waste of money, Welbeck will never be good enough for United and Giggs is past it. Anything I haven’t covered?

    • Mongoletsi

      Man, that’s nice crack you’re smoking!

  • Just1n

    Danni wants a shout out for Anderson…

  • Mongoletsi

    “Come on Carrick! Do something good for once! SHIIIIT! That WAS good!”

    Almost…

  • ltel

    give fletch the skippers arm band and gibson is the futue

  • han

    ltel said:
    give fletch the skippers arm band and gibson is the futue

    where is the dungeon master these days?

  • sidney

    Bayern 1-0 Bitters

  • han

    sidney said:
    Bayern 1-0 Bitters

    cant stand the krauts……
    but still want them to fuck the tenants

  • ltel

    han said:
    where is the dungeon master these days?

    internet scamming is time consuming

  • bman

    Sounds like our defending is shite again, par for the course this season so far. It’s gonna cost us.

  • sidney

    Carrick mopping up brilliantly then

    And earlier on he actually got ahead of the ball and in a good position in the box

  • han

    benfica 1-0 up at the gypsys

  • ltel

    bman said:
    Sounds like our defending is shite again, par for the course this season so far. It’s gonna cost us.

    we are missing our captian our rightback and rio is fucked,, once they are all back we will b sorted. vida is a massive miss for us

  • han

    ltel said:
    internet scamming is time consuming

    aye
    but im sure theres an army at it

  • han

    should have made it 3 there antonio

  • sidney

    2-0 Bayern

  • han

    tenants gonna be evicted
    2-0 to the krauts

  • Mongoletsi

    Jones kept it in with a cheeky heel volley :o)

  • Just1n

    han said:
    tenants gonna be evicted
    2-0 to the krauts

    Hart made a great save but Mancini must be retarded to bring back Toure for such an important game.

  • ltel

    ando playing well

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    See how Anderson’s shit fitness is putting pressure on the others. Just look at the gormless dobbin – it’s Carry On Anderson!! Dopey twit.

  • han

    ltel said:
    ando playing well

    not 3 words u read often

  • Just1n

    danniitronix said:
    See how Anderson’s shit fitness is putting pressure on the others. Just look at the gormless dobbin – it’s Carry On Anderson!! Dopey twit.

    Bullshit Danni. Ando is having a good game. Your hatred is blinding you.

  • ltel

    he has had 1 bad game this season imo

  • ltel

    Commenter said:
    That’s jumpy as fuck for me :o (

    what

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    who’s dom mcguinnes on talksport

    he says we’ve been woeful and their striker should have a hattrick

    who is he and is he right

  • sidney

    uncleknobheadforfucksake said:
    who’s dom mcguinnes on talksport

    he says we’ve been woeful and their striker should have a hattrick

    who is he and is he right

    I heard that. The cunt is exaggerating. We’ve been a bit shonky, but it wasn’t as bad as he made out

  • reddread

    danniitronix said:
    See how Anderson’s shit fitness is putting pressure on the others. Just look at the gormless dobbin – it’s Carry On Anderson!! Dopey twit.

    Incorrect

  • ltel

    great seeing shitty getting wallopped..

    need luton to win for 300..come on you cunts

  • sidney

    Tel, you always have a bet on, don’t ya

  • han

    general consensus is that defensively not at the races and a better team would have scored at least with 1 of the clear cut chances presented by rio and co
    having said that, looking good as an attacking force

  • ltel

    aye mate.. im addicted.

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    I had a 0-0 at bayern and forest to win…

  • ltel

    60 on united lyon benfca luton

  • han

    sidney said:
    Tel, you always have a hard on, don’t ya

    toooooooooo much info

  • ltel

    han said:
    toooooooooo much info

    this is also true.. had to get rd of the dog because of it

  • reddread

    Save! Great stuff. Shocking defending again, though…

  • han

    faffing around
    get a 3rd united fs

  • reddread

    Shit pass there by Anderson. Christ, he’s rubbish

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    ltel said:
    60 on united lyon benfca luton

    Sorry Mate… Luton will no doubt fuck it up.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Fuck sake.

  • ltel

    Alfonso Bedoya said:

    Sorry Mate… Luton will no doubt fuck it up.

    im thinking that myself.. if united dont do it first

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    Red – I’m watching, what in the name of ARSE has he done over and above “average”. Why is he not tackling, not shouting for the ball, getting into a position that actually resembles something close to a tactical plan.

    Look at him! Just look at the spanner – he’s tired already!

  • reddread

    Oh. Quite the finish, that

  • han

    twats
    let them in ffs
    come on united

  • ltel

    oh my god.. what the fuck

  • han

    cocksuckers

  • Just1n

    WTF is going on

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Awesome…

  • reddread

    danniitronix said:
    Red – I’m watching, what in the name of ARSE has he done over and above “average”. Why is he not tackling, not shouting for the ball, getting into a position that actually resembles something close to a tactical plan.

    Look at him! Just look at the spanner – he’s tired already!

    Dude, give it a fucking rest, eh? Suppose their goals were his fault because he looked at the ball the wrong way on the halfway line…?

  • han

    fucking jokers
    come on united ffs

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    mcguinnes has perked up

  • ltel

    bet just went tits up.. united drawing luton down..

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    Exactly my friend, a progressivly weak midfield caused by a progressively shitter Anderson which we could see for the last 30mins of playing time puts pressure on the other two in the park. That weakens the defence and so they loose confidence because the chump anderson is contributing nothing – where the fuck was he for the goal – did he track back – put the opposition midfield under pressure. No he didn’t.

    Nothing going forward, nothing to shore up the back. Please don’t say he is playing well, when he is nothing more than average / shit, again.

  • han

    stick berba and nani on before its too fucking late

  • ltel

    cal disappears and you return.. hmmmmmmm

  • sidney

    Fabio injured again

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    FFS… Fabio crocked… good little players, him and his bro… but fuckin hell, they’re frail.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    What the fuck is this ref playing at?

  • brianofnazareth

    R.I.P Rio Ferdinand.

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    he’s bouncing now mcguinnes

  • han

    fucking cunts

  • brianofnazareth

    Ferdinand has been an absolute passenger tonight… I honestly think his time could be coming to an end.

  • sidney

    Can’t get a good stream FFS

  • ltel

    fuck me this is a digrace..

  • http://www.visual-intrusion.com Robbo

    How the fuck can we go from 2 – 0 to 3 – 2 down the mind boggles.

  • ltel

    jones was wank there…

  • ltel

    tevez refusing to play

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    have we ever lost from 2-0 up under taggart

  • han

    come on reds

  • ltel

    uncleknobheadforfucksake said:
    have we ever lost from 2-0 up under taggart

    whata question that is.. wrecking my brain and cant think of a time

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    Don’t worry Andersons “playing well”, “mazy runs”, “incisive passing”, “great engine”.

    He’s gonna get us out of this, I can feel it!!!

    It was obvious that Jones was gping to fuck up in Europe, said it two weeks ago. He thinks he is better than he is – mind you so do a lot of peoplem

  • madredmonkey

    just got in, what is going on ffs.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    ltel said:
    tevez refusing to play

    Eh?

  • han

    why the fuck play berbs with 9 mins left?

  • brianofnazareth

    Jones has had a shocker all night!

    Any team that has J Sung-Park in it doesn’t deserve to win the champions league!!

    Is he really a pro footballer?

  • ltel

    you have lost it danni..

  • madredmonkey

    come on.

  • brianofnazareth

    ltel said:
    tevez refusing to play

    So is Rio Ferdinand….

  • ltel

    carrick and rio have been wank.. blame them danni

  • brianofnazareth

    ltel said:
    carrick and rio have been wank.. blame them danni

    Didn’t know Carrick was still on…

    The sooner Carrick and Park leave us we can move on to win the champions league!

  • brianofnazareth

    Nani is our new Ronaldo!

    He has to start every game!

  • Just1n

    `now to win it

  • han

    fucking yesssssssssssssssssssssssssss

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Get the fuck INNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • http://www.visual-intrusion.com Robbo

    brianofnazareth said:
    Didn’t know Carrick was still on…

    The sooner Carrick and Park leave us we can move on to win the champions league!

    If we cant beat a bunch of Toberone eating Swiss cunts after leading by 2 goals how the fuck are we supposed to win the Champions League Brian ?

  • Just1n

    Robbo said:
    If we cant beat a bunch of Toberone eating Swiss cunts after leading by 2 goals how the fuck are we supposed to win the Champions League Brian ?

    better to blame the guy who came on late in the 2nd half.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    danniitronix said:
    It was obvious that Jones was gping to fuck up in Europe, said it two weeks ago. He thinks he is better than he is

    Just like you.

  • madredmonkey

    yes young.

  • sidney

    GET THE FUCK OUT OF THE WAY REF YOU CUNT

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    This ref is a knob… get out of the fuckin way…

  • Just1n

    fuck sake Berbatov

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    Tel, Jones is an excellent prospect but he isn’t (yet) as good as what people say, Smalling is.

    82 mins of shit from Ando, 3 goals from three + seasons, ejected from Brazilian national squad by Lucas Leiva, but yeah he’s great.

    I saw Edgar Davids play at VDS’s testamonial a month ago with Saha, Giggs, Rooney + Bergkamp and Overmars.

    Davids box to boxed for 10 mins solid at the age of 40 and I saw what Anderson should have been like – but he is not, never in a million years.

  • brianofnazareth

    Rio is slowly moving to my hate list… put the ball in the box you passenger cunt!! he’s fucking slow and looks like he has arthritis. Ship the cunt out!

  • sidney

    Berba, cunt

    Absolute cunt

    A tap in for Nani, you cunt

  • dozer

    FUCK berbatov are you even a fucking striker?!! Hit the fucking target you cunt

  • fat maradona

    Park has played worse for 10 mins than Anderson did for 82 mins.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    What a game…

  • ltel

    i think jones is beter than smaling now.. and he will be one of the best in th world

  • han

    thats right
    fucking have a go at berba our resident bulgarian whore
    just forget the shit served up by rio, carrick, anderson and evra for the 80 mins prior to him coming on

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    mcguiness deflated

  • http://www.visual-intrusion.com Robbo

    Poor showing two points from two games just isn’t good enough a team of the calibre of United should be able to see off Basel.

  • dozer

    ltel said:
    i think jones is beter than smaling now.. and he will be one of the best in th world

    After this you think Jones is better than Smalling? Nobody has looked more solid than Smalling and he’s great goint forward too.

  • reddread

    danniitronix said:

    It was obvious that Jones was gping to fuck up in Europe, said it two weeks ago. He thinks he is better than he is – mind you so do a lot of peoplem

    He is only just fucking 19 years old! Jesus Christ, some fucking people.

  • han

    welbeck missed a header after it was 3-3
    anyone want to call him a fucking useless cocksucking whore of a dog’s pussy?????????

  • brianofnazareth

    fat maradona said:
    Park has played worse for 10 mins than Anderson did for 82 mins.

    Agreed. He is not a footballer Park, if he was British/European he’d be league 1 at best!

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    Yeah Young is shit, not United quality, we deserve a proper midfielder … fuck off bitches.

    Thank fuck Anderson was on the bench tucking into a bowl of kellogs special k.

  • han

    that hairdryer is well and truly going to be back in the dressing room
    ffs that was a load of bollox served up in the 2nd half against a fucking championship calibre team
    without rooney we look lost in the last 2 games
    stupid clueless muppets who should take the lead, don’t…yes rio, playing like a fucking 1 legged cunt
    we should have buried these cheese eating yodooling fuckers well before half time
    the boy welbeck got 2 goals and yet the experienced players totally lost their focus
    i hope SAF gets the dryer out and shoves it up their arses
    fucking fuming

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    don’t knock special k

  • ltel

    at least tevez will be the big news tomorrw. what a cunt

    welcome to anchester posters back up tonight

  • http://www.visual-intrusion.com Robbo

    han said:
    that hairdryer is well and truly going to be back in the dressing room
    ffs that was a load of bollox served up in the 2nd half against a fucking championship calibre team
    without rooney we look lost in the last 2 games
    stupid clueless muppets who should take the lead, don’t…yes rio, playing like a fucking 1 legged cunt
    we should have buried these cheese eating yodooling fuckers well before half time
    the boy welbeck got 2 goals and yet the experienced players totally lost their focus
    i hope SAF gets the dryer out and shoves it up their arses
    fucking fuming

    Han see´´s it as it is, the monkey cock sucking cunt that he is

  • RobDiablo

    han said:
    …without rooney we look lost in the last 2 games

    That’s because he is also our best midfielder.

  • reddread

    danniitronix said:
    Yeah Young is shit, not United quality, we deserve a proper midfielder … fuck off bitches.

    Thank fuck Anderson was on the bench tucking into a bowl of kellogs special k.

    I’ve never said anything negative about Young myself, but to be fair, you’re slagging off Jones now tonight, so, you know, welcome to our world…

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    How’s the diet, I cracked – back on the Frosties. Did a 5k run yesterday, nearly died. My bender biking’s not helping either.

  • ltel

    back on the glue ful time too it woud seem

  • han

    Robbo – u really think i’m wrong?
    it was piss poor tonight and those older players should look at themselves seriously tonite and remind themselves what it means to play for the red shirt

  • squigs

    People on here still think Ferdinand is the best defender in the world. It’s beyond me

    Poor overall, and we are lucky to get a draw in the end.

  • sidney

    That’s a good point… We haven’t kept a clean sheet for a while now

  • han

    danniitronix said:
    How’s the diet, I cracked – back on the Frosties. Did a 5k run yesterday, nearly died. My bender biking’s not helping either.

    get off the bender then
    keep the cycle though

  • ltel

    he is nly back from injury and defo not up to speed, he will get back to his best

  • han

    squigs said:
    People on here still think Ferdinand is the best defender in the world. It’s beyond me

    Poor overall, and we are lucky to get a draw in the end.

    rio should be retired otherwise another larry white is waiting in the wings

  • http://www.visual-intrusion.com Robbo

    han said:
    Robbo – u really think i’m wrong?
    it was piss poor tonight and those older players should look at themselves seriously tonite and remind themselves what it means to play for the red shirt

    No han I think you totally right that was a shite lack lustre performance and our CL outings this season leave a lot to be desired FFs when we saw the group we all thought oh yes but not any more.

  • han

    those gypos we play next will be well motivated by that shit served up

  • sidney

    Fergie not happy
    Said the defence and midfield were shite
    Maybe we should have signed a destroyer… It’s been a long while since we kept a clean sheet
    Norwich at the weekend, a similar game. More sloppy bollocks and we won’t get the 3 points

  • Spike

    typical utd game

  • han

    and all those tevez cocksuckers on here – he really showed his true colours tonite in kraut city
    for all berbas shortcomings, the guy is a class act compared to that argentinian prostitute

  • han

    Spike said:
    typical utd game

    what the fuck r u talking shit for
    how the fuck was that typical
    we were 2 – 0 up ffs and played like wet open pussies defensively and let those swiss mothers arse rape us

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    Red, you have never slagged off Young, Unc and the self-promoting “Mod” Alf have and continued a campaign all summer about how he wasn’t united quality but to be fair Unc has changed and acknowledged young’s power of x-factory.

    As for Jones, what’s your problem? I consider him overrated as compared to what you and most others feel. There is no doubt that he has the tools but he is not the “special one”, not yet. He’s fucked up before this season, he was at times clueless tonight, out of his depth and actually needing a hand.

    For the record, Smalling is as good as everyone says and better. De Gea I think is one notch below Smalling – outrageously skilled.

  • han

    danniitronix said:
    Red, you have never slagged off Young, Unc and the self-promoting “Mod” Alf have and continued a campaign all summer about how he wasn’t united quality but to be fair Unc has changed and acknowledged young’s power of x-factory.

    As for Jones, what’s your problem? I consider him overrated as compared to what you and most others feel. There is no doubt that he has the tools but he is not the “special one”, not yet. He’s fucked up before this season, he was at times clueless tonight, out of his depth and actually needing a hand.

    For the record, Smalling is as good as everyone says and better. De Gea I think is one notch below Smalling – outrageously skilled.

    aye rio should have helped jones out but was too busy playing catch up

  • sheesh

    Both Da Silvas should fuck off back to Brazil. I don’t care how good they supposedly are. If they’re never fit, they should fuck off.

    Jones is still young and has a lot to learn but has all the basic attributes. He still needs to develop an understanding with the other defenders but this will come with time. Rio Ferdinand has a major job trying to get into the first team. All of a sudden, Evans is a wanted man again.

    It was a typical United performance. Take the lead against a team we are expected to bury and then sit back stroking our fannies, instead of going for the kill and finishing them off.

    There was far too much of that tippy tappy arsing about. Now we must win all of our remaining games. We couldn’t have asked for an easier draw if Fergie had inspected and hand-picked the balls himself.

    What a joke.

  • han

    sheesh said:
    Both Da Silvas should fuck off back to Brazil. I don’t care how good they supposedly are. If they’re never fit, they should fuck off.

    Jones is still young and has a lot to learn but has all the basic attributes. He still needs to develop an understanding with the other defenders but this will come with time. Rio Ferdinand has a major job trying to get into the first team. All of a sudden, Evans is a wanted man again.

    It was a typical United performance. Take the lead against a team we are expected to bury and then sit back stroking our fannies, instead of going for the kill and finishing them off.

    There was far too much of that tippy tappy arsing about. Now we must win all of our remaining games. We couldn’t have asked for an easier draw if Fergie had inspected and hand-picked the balls himself.

    What a joke.

    not as big a joke as tevcunt over at the council tip

  • ltel

    Roberto Mancini on Carlos Tevez after the Argentine refused to come off the bench tonight: “He’s finished with me, with me he’s finished.”

  • ltel

    : More from Mancini on Tevez: “Can you imagine a Bayern Munich, Milan or man U player doing this?” And on Edin Dzeko, who reacted angrily after being brought off: “He had a poor game. In terms of being unhappy, it should be me, not him. This is the last time with me a player will do this.”

  • sidney

    I’ve just seen a montage of the City bench during their match…
    Seriously, what the fuck is going on…
    A few players kicked off, not just Tevez. Dzeko had a tantrum after he was subbed and threw his shirt to the ground. Zabaleta, I think it was, kicked off with a coach who tried to talk to him. He threw the fellas hands off him. And Brian Kidd had to hold back Mancini from having a go at someone on the bench
    Shambolic as fuck
    And we think we have got problems… At least ours are just on the pitch
    City have come up against their first proper test – their first proper good decent team – and the wheels have well and truly flown the fuck off the metaphorical waggon

  • han

    ltel said:
    Roberto Mancini on Carlos Tevez after the Argentine refused to come off the bench tonight: “He’s finished with me, with me he’s finished.”

    can u blame mancini though? he can’t do or say anything else
    the guy tevcunt is a joke
    throws his toys out – SAF knew this and got shot of the cunt
    and anyone who says they would rather have kept him instead of berbs really needs their balls massaged in a flour mill

  • han

    sidney said:
    I’ve just seen a montage of the City bench during their match…

    Seriously, what the fuck is going on…

    A few players kicked off, not just Tevez. Dzeko had a tantrum after he was subbed and threw his shirt to the ground. Zabaleta, I think it was, kicked off with a coach who tried to talk to him. He threw the fellas hands off him. And Brian Kidd had to hold back Mancini from having a go at someone on the bench

    Shambolic as fuck

    And we think we have got problems… At least ours are just on the pitch

    City have come up against their first proper test – their first proper good decent team – and the wheels have well and truly flown the fuck off the metaphorical waggon

    i beg to differ old bean
    we played the tenants also, remember

  • reddread

    danniitronix said:
    Red, you have never slagged off Young, Unc and the self-promoting “Mod” Alf have and continued a campaign all summer about how he wasn’t united quality but to be fair Unc has changed and acknowledged young’s power of x-factory.

    As for Jones, what’s your problem? I consider him overrated as compared to what you and most others feel. There is no doubt that he has the tools but he is not the “special one”, not yet. He’s fucked up before this season, he was at times clueless tonight, out of his depth and actually needing a hand.

    For the record, Smalling is as good as everyone says and better. De Gea I think is one notch below Smalling – outrageously skilled.

    My problem, such as it is, is that Jones has played a handful of competitive matches for us yet you seem happy to write him off as overrated. He’s 19 and still learning. He will, I repeat will, be United captain before he is 25.

    Smalling had similar teething problems, and look at him 9 months later. Fucking quality, as you rightly say. De Gea, too, is getting better, more confident, by the game and still learning, just like Jones. You just need to afford him the same patience as you are the other two.

  • sidney

    2216: Even more from Mancini on Tevez: “If I have my way he will be out of the club.”

    2212: More from Mancini on Tevez: “Can you imagine a Bayern Munich, Milan or Man Utd player doing this?” And on Edin Dzeko, who reacted angrily after being brought off: “He had a poor game. In terms of being unhappy, it should be me, not him. This is the last time with me a player will do this.”

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    Squigs, Han, – the most important thing about Rio is that defence is too easy for him. He is so talented that he simply does not need think about it. it always has been an easy game for him

    History shows throughout his career that he needs a kick up the arse, he gets complacent, he gets bored and now he wants to hang out with Timbaland and Jay-Z.

    Once he has that kick, he is without any doubt, one of if not the best. He is so good that Vida and VDs, play better and the three of them formed a record breaking partnership.

    Complacency is fine if you get your arse gets kicked and you still have the body. Hwr that perfect defenders physique is slowly faltering. That is the problem now.

    Like Tel says, get him fit and he is still the best – his fefending intelligence and ability to perfrom impervious partnerships will go down in United / EPL history.

    He needs to be given that chance because Smalling, Jones, Evans, De Gea – hell even Vida, have a lot to learn from and owe a lot of debt to His Royal Highness, E-Z Ferdinand.

  • han

    SAF needs to put his arm round berbs and give him back some confidence
    otherwise we will lose out on the guy’s quality when we need it most

  • han

    danniitronix said:
    Squigs, Han, – the most important thing about Rio is that defence is too easy for him. He is so talented that he simply does not need think about it. it always has been an easy game for him

    History shows throughout his career that he needs a kick up the arse, he gets complacent, he gets bored and now he wants to hang out with Timbaland and Jay-Z.

    Once he has that kick, he is without any doubt, one of if not the best. He is so good that Vida and VDs, play better and the three of them formed a record breaking partnership.

    Complacency is fine if you get your arse gets kicked and you still have the body. Hwr that perfect defenders physique is slowly faltering. That is the problem now.

    Like Tel says, get him fit and he is still the best – his fefending intelligence and ability to perfrom impervious partnerships will go down in United / EPL history.

    He needs to be given that chance because Smalling, Jones, Evans, De Gea – hell even Vida, have a lot to learn from and owe a lot of debt to His Royal Highness, E-Z Ferdinand.

    Danni
    it pains me to say this about an absolute class act that he has been at united, but he just doesnt look the part at the moment and hasnt for a while
    maybe the kick up the arse will work and SAF will definitely give him that, but i get the feeling his best years have gone and we are looking at a future liability
    there are games when he will be more exposed than tonite for sure

  • han

    btw
    im sure scholesy refused to play in a league cup tie at the arse a few years back – but SAF didn’t kick his arse into touch did he?

  • reddread

    Fuck me. Real destroyed Ajax. First goal was a thing of beauty

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    Ffs, will you stop reading what you want to read.

    I am saying he is overrated. He is – you act as if he is the bomb, yet he got shown up today; were people to have some perspective, he is not as good as that. He is a prospect that is it.

    Quite frankly its an irrelevance whether he is captain at 25. What does that prove? What will prove that he is a world class player is if together with smalling and de gea with vida and rio supervisin, they form something akin to the great wall of china where ever they go.

    Feel free to keep bumming him up but I think that stance looses credibility in the face of such abject errors.

  • squigs

    danniitronix said:
    Squigs, Han, – the most important thing about Rio is that defence is too easy for him. He is so talented that he simply does not need think about it. it always has been an easy game for him

    History shows throughout his career that he needs a kick up the arse, he gets complacent, he gets bored and now he wants to hang out with Timbaland and Jay-Z.

    Once he has that kick, he is without any doubt, one of if not the best. He is so good that Vida and VDs, play better and the three of them formed a record breaking partnership.

    Complacency is fine if you get your arse gets kicked and you still have the body. Hwr that perfect defenders physique is slowly faltering. That is the problem now.

    Like Tel says, get him fit and he is still the best – his fefending intelligence and ability to perfrom impervious partnerships will go down in United / EPL history.

    He needs to be given that chance because Smalling, Jones, Evans, De Gea – hell even Vida, have a lot to learn from and owe a lot of debt to His Royal Highness, E-Z Ferdinand.

    He has not been anywhere near the best defender in the world for a good while. You talk as if he is Baresi or something and you don’t have much issue when he is complacent, he is the senior partner in a defence that conceded three goals to Basel, no where near good enough. He has great anticipation and has been a top defender. I don’t think we will see him much fitter then he is now though.

    Physically it’s not slowly failing, it’s probably gone already he has been unfortunate with injuries and back injuries are awfully slow to heal, it’s affected him and he is short quite a bit of pace now.

  • Ichiro

    I dont think anyone thinks he is anything more than an excellent prospect. No one thinks he is the finished article at 19 surely.

  • squigs

    han said:
    btw
    im sure scholesy refused to play in a league cup tie at the arse a few years back – but SAF didn’t kick his arse into touch did he?

    Quite a difference between a reserve team in the league cup and the champions league.

  • han

    squigs said:
    Quite a difference between a reserve team in the league cup and the champions league.

    i concur old chap

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    what a player schweinstieger is

  • han

    reddread said:
    Fuck me. Real destroyed Ajax. First goal was a thing of beauty

    i dread to think what the score would have been if we had played them tonite

  • reddread

    Ichiro said:
    I dont think anyone thinks he is anything more than an excellent prospect. No one thinks he is the finished article at 19 surely.

    Exactly. Yet Danniitronix talks about me reading what I want to read.

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    I don’t understand this discussion

    jones is the bollocks, smalling is also the bollocks but jones will be the bigger bollocks, de gea is also the bollocks, rooney is the biggest bollocks

    berbatov not so much

  • squigs

    No real discussion on that.

  • han

    uncleknobheadforfucksake said:
    I don’t understand this discussion

    jones is the bollocks, smalling is also the bollocks but jones will be the bigger bollocks, de gea is also the bollocks, rooney is the biggest bollocks

    berbatov not so much

    thats rite
    bring in that bulgarian pussy sniffer even when he isn’t part of your discussion
    ffs why don’t u just go shoot him once and for all and be done with it
    and 1 more thing – when he scored those vital goals for us last season, were u still such a bitter twisted twat? or maybe u just want your tevcunt back?

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    well tevez scored a winner at anfield, so what

  • han

    uncleknobheadforfucksake said:
    well tevez scored a winner at anfield, so what

    and berbs got a hat trick last season against the scum – so what?

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    so nothing, I called out tevez as shite and a cunt from the word go while justin alf and others said he was the bollocks, berbatov is equally shite and even more of a cunt since he don’t even have the bollocks to kick up a fuss about fergie humiliating him. pathetic

  • han

    uncleknobheadforfucksake said:
    so nothing, I called out tevez as shite and a cunt from the word go while justin alf and others said he was the bollocks, berbatov is equally shite and even more of a cunt since he don’t even have the bollocks to kick up a fuss about fergie humiliating him. pathetic

    berbs is acting with a degree of dignity which elevates him above most mercenery footballers – regardless of the way SAF has treated him (which is totally out of order), he refuses to chuck his toys out; therefore regardless of his detractors on here, he will remain a true professional who deserves better than the shit he gets on here from some so called supporters

  • Triggs

    The PL top scorers last year have both been frozen out – for differing reasons.

    Tevez has gone on strike, just at the point that his club need him most. Remember even if City had got just one back, that could have a made a difference to the table after all six rounds.

    Berbatov has been a professional, because he respects the club, the fans and cares deeply about playing for the club.

    Yet here we have an absolute cunt of a follower, who is so myopic in his irrational dislike for the player that he suggests that he’s pathetic for not acting like a spolit prick. What an utter spiv you are unclekiddyfiddler.

    If Rooney and Chica remain unfit and Berba doesnt start against Norwich it’s a fucking disgrace.

  • sidney

    Just seen Bayern’s goals… Joe Hart’s reaction after the second one is worth a watch
    He goes fucking mental
    They’ve got some serious issues

  • squigs

    Yeah I thought it was just me who thought that, he isn’t known as hot headed and he seemed absolutely livid.

    Top keeper mind, he kept that score respectable.

  • Stego10

    Anyone that saw Rio’s performance on Sunday would agree that it is not complacency or confidence that is undermining his performance. The problem is that his legs “have gone”. This isn’t manifest in his ability to cover ground or even tackle-it is his ableness to jump for the ball. The tell tale signs were there on Sunday and as any number of ex-pro’s will tell you it is that ability that goes first.All good things must come to an end?

  • Stego10

    ps that of course should read Saturday-dearie me.

  • dozer

    Jones’ weakness is his ability in the air. He can’t jump for peanuts, Evra was marking Crouch most of the time in the first half for the corners in Stoke – he did well.
    Jones was beaten by Crouch most of the time.
    He’s a great potential but it’s too early to say he’s the next coming of Jesus etc.
    Does he have more potential than Smalling? Yes, perhaps.
    But currently Smalling is the better defender, and the better player.

    Sir Ryan Giggs? No no no. Sir Paul Scholes say.

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    I’m with you on that – according to some on here Jones shits out gold turds.

  • damian garside

    We play a single player up front (and therefore crowd the midfield) and concede 3 goals at home to a Swiss team and now only have 2 points from 3 games. Maybe we should start criticizing the decision not to get a player who could have combined beautifully with Rooney — but also stand in for him and provide something when he is injured. Now our season is a lottery as to whether he (Rooney)gets injured or not again and for how long. This is not the way to defend our Premiership title or take the CL by storm.

    Is Tevez our fifth column over the road at the Council House?

  • brianofnazareth

    han said:
    that hairdryer is well and truly going to be back in the dressing room
    ffs that was a load of bollox served up in the 2nd half against a fucking championship calibre team
    without rooney we look lost in the last 2 games
    stupid clueless muppets who should take the lead, don’t…yes rio, playing like a fucking 1 legged cunt
    we should have buried these cheese eating yodooling fuckers well before half time
    the boy welbeck got 2 goals and yet the experienced players totally lost their focus
    i hope SAF gets the dryer out and shoves it up their arses
    fucking fuming

    Hi Han,

    welcome to the “top 3 list” of my favourite ranters. Earn your stay.I like you.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    danniitronix said:
    Red, you have never slagged off Young, Unc and the self-promoting “Mod” Alf have and continued a campaign all summer about how he wasn’t united quality but to be fair Unc has changed and acknowledged young’s power of x-factory.

    Not only are you a pissy little school girl, but you’re also a hypocrite, an idiot and a liar.

    And I didn’t have to have a pathetic little side dig in saying so.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    uncleknobheadforfucksake said:
    so nothing, I called out tevez as shite and a cunt from the word go while justin alf and others said he was the bollocks, berbatov is equally shite and even more of a cunt since he don’t even have the bollocks to kick up a fuss about fergie humiliating him. pathetic

    Hang on a minute.

    Tevez may well be a cunt… but he’s a great little player when he’s in the mood.

    But the argument was whether he was better than Rooney, and I was never having that.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Anyone got a footage of the Bayern/Bitters carry on… I missed it.

  • brianofnazareth

    Alfonso Bedoya said:
    Anyone got a footage of the Bayern/Bitters carry on… I missed it.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mjJ4rRTO8xQ

  • brianofnazareth

    Picture is not the best mate but it’s a longer video

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GRvaez1g-44

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Just a side note on the Bayern/City game… and why Mancini is not the man to take the Bitters to the big time.

    “I don’t know why he was upset. Maybe because he did not go on as the first substitute.

    “But I decide these things. At that moment, I decided to change Edin with Nigel de Jong because I wanted to make sure we didn’t concede a third goal as we still had 30 minutes to the end.”

  • captainhormone

    horrible joke of a club

    this will either split them or make them stronger

    however one thing is for certain…their troubles do seem perpetual under the current mercenary regime

    Long may it continue

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Cheers Bri…

    What a dick… and how long has he been playing in England? 6/7 years?… and he still needs an interpreter?

  • captainhormone

    correct Alf…it is shocking….I’d expect to know the language of the people of the country I work in out of respect to them….But clearly Carlos is above all mere mortals in his eyes…

  • brianofnazareth

    Alfonso Bedoya said:
    Cheers Bri…

    What a dick… and how long has he been playing in England? 6/7 years?… and he still needs an interpreter?

    No probs.

    That’s the problem he’s just not arsed, a player wanting to make it in another country would learn the language.

  • http://damiangarside.com Damian Garside

    3-3 at home to Basel. Basel: as in `good in a pesto, or with mozzarella and tomatoes’ or `You ponce in here expecting to be waited on hand and foot while I’m trying to run a hotel here!’