Old rivals and new faces for Leeds tie



Manchester United visit Elland Road for the first time in eight years on Tuesday night, with Sir Alex Ferguson set to ring the changes for the Carling Cup third round tie with Leeds United. Yet, with so many young faces in the Scot’s first team it is Ferguson’s older hands that be asked to impress. And as well as local rivalry, the Reds have a minor right to wrong, with Leeds having emerged victorious from an FA Cup fixture at Old Trafford 18 months ago. A similar result is unthinkable for the 5,000 Reds expected at Elland Road.

In addition to familiar faces, such as Dimitar Berbatov, Park Ji-Sung and Michael Owen, Ferguson is expected to hand young Frenchman Paul Pogba a first start for United. The impressive midfielder led United’s Academy side to FA Youth Cup glory last season and the Scot expects to fast-track the talented teen into the first team picture this season.

Pogba missed United’s reserve win over Rochdale last week, and the Premier League fixture with Chelsea, but Ferguson expects to start the 18-year-old in the hostile Elland Road atmosphere. The début will vindicate Ferguson’s decision to retain Pogba at Old Trafford this season despite widespread interest from Championship clubs in a loan deal.

“He’s got a slight injury, it’s not too bad, though. So he wasn’t available for Sunday but he should be able to play on Tuesday and I intend to play him against Leeds United,” said Ferguson.

“It’s more difficult to loan a boy of 18 who’s come from France. We prefer to keep him with us until we find he’s mature enough to possibly go on loan. Maybe next year that could be an option but we’re definitely expecting him this season to stay with Manchester United.”

Leeds United versus Manchester United, Carling Cup, Ellend Road, 7.45pm, 20 September 2011.Ferguson has also included Tom Thorpe, Larnell Cole and Reese Brown from United’s reserve team in the squad to face Leeds but established first team player Michael Carrick believes the deep squad resources now at the Scot’s disposal mean that a more experienced side than many expected may turn out.

“The squad is so strong it has tended to be the younger lads that have played in recent weeks and they’ve done really well,” Carrick told MUTV.

“The team changed for Benfica but the experience that came in was something we have not seen for a while. We are well aware of what Leeds means. [It’s a big game] because of the fans and the rivalry over the years. I am sure the manager will pick a strong team. I’m guessing it will be a full house. It will be a nice hot atmosphere. It‘s not like there is a team for this or a team for that: whoever comes in isn’t going to weaken the team in any way. They just offer something different. It is a great option for the manager to have.

“Paul [Pogba] is a huge talent. He has trained with us a number of times, so we have seen quite a lot of him and he looks very promising. If he goes about things in the right way and gets a little bit of luck at the right time, he is going to have a bright future.”

Of those younger players who feature tonight veteran Ryan Giggs says it is not the talent but the attitude that will dictate whether the kids become United legends or a footnote in history. Indeed, under Ferguson’s stewardship players with, arguably, limited natural talent but huge desire have played hundreds of games for the club. For Thorpe, Brown, Pogba and Keane tonight is perhaps the first test of many to come.

“There are young players coming through at United but this is an important part of their career,” says the Welsh legend, now in his 21st season as a pro with United.

“When you look at the lads who came through in my age group, then those who followed – Wes Brown and John O’Shea, for instance – when they got their chance, they took it. Once you hit 17, 18 and 19, that is what you have to do. It doesn’t matter whether it is if you get a chance to train with the first team, or in a match as a substitute, you need to make an impact. You need to force the manager not leave you out of the next game. The majority have the quality. That is not really in doubt. The question is, do they have the desire and appetite to take it up a step more?”

There is little more incentive than an away fixture at Leeds, with whom the rivalry burns strong despite the Whites’ seven-year exile from the Premier League. For those youngsters blooded at Elland Road an intense atmosphere awaits, with Leeds supporters still celebrating the club’s FA Cup victory over United in January 2010. It is a rivalry as intense as any in the country.

Meanwhile, Leeds manager Simon Grayson is without defender Patrick Kisnorbo, who serves a one-match ban following his sending off against Bristol City. Grayson faces a major dilemma over his team selection, with a top-of-the-table clash against Brighton and Hove Albion in the Championship on Friday.

However, United’s outstanding recent record in the Carling Cup – winners in 2006, 2009 and 2010 – and strong starting line-up ensures the Reds start strong favourites to win. Yet, there is also a lesson in history: Coventry City became the last club from outside the top flight to knock United out of the Carling Cup in November 2007. Few anticipate a similar result Tuesday night.

Match Facts
Leeds United versus Manchester United, Carling Cup, Ellend Road, 7.45pm, 20 September 2011.

Likely Line-ups
Leeds (4-4-2): Lonergan; Connolly, White, O’Dea, Lees; Howson, Clayton, Nunez, Snodgrass; Keogh, McCormack. Subs from:
Rachubka, Bromby, Brown, Becchio, Forssell, Sam, Taylor, Bruce, O’Brien.

United (4-4-2): Lindegaard; Brown, Evans, Jones, Fabio; Valencia, Fletcher, Pogba, Park; Owen, Berbatov. Subs from: de Gea, Amos, Smalling, Ferdinand, Jones, Giggs, Evans, Diouf, Nani, Carrick, Anderson, Young, Rooney, Hernandez, Macheda, Thorpe, Fryers, Cole, Keane.

Form
Leeds: DWLWW
United: WWWDW

Referee
Referee: Mike Jones (Chester)

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  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Looking forward to seeing Pogba… heard all the rumours, but haven’t seen much of him.

    “Badges, to god-damned hell with badges! We have no badges. In fact, we don’t need badges. I don’t have to show you any stinking badges, you god-damned cabrón and ching’ tu madre! Come out from that shit-hole of yours. I have to speak to you.”

  • sidney

    I hope we humiliate the cunts

  • sidney

    Alfonso Bedoya said:
    Looking forward to seeing Pogba… heard all the rumours, but haven’t seen much of him.

    After he’s experience a rocking Bellend Road full of cunts, he’ll know what it means to play for United

  • max

    my linep
    lindegaard fabio brown rio jones
    valencia pogba giggs/fletch park
    macheda owen

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    what players do leeds have nowadays who are cunts

  • baloo

    uncleknobheadforfucksake said:
    what players do leeds have nowadays who are cunts

    In answer to your question:

    http://www.leedsunited.com/page/PlayerProfileIndex

  • captainhormone

    none….they have ken bates though

  • myleftfoot

    We may only be a “little old ” Championship team, but our “subs” (above) include Zak Thompson, out for six weeks, and David Somma, out for six months. Still, we don’t need fit players to turn you lot over again. By the way, nice language some of you. No wonder your loved by all!!!

    • GeorgiaJon

      And you’re on a MUFC website. What a wanker, nothing worth reading about on a Leeds site? (rhetorical)

  • madredmonkey

    so we play the whippet breeders again tonight, hope our young team fuck them up.

    What is the best thing to come out of Yorkshire?
    The M62 to Lancashire.

    Why do people take a instant dislike to Leeds fans?
    Because it saves time.

  • Violent Banana

    Why isn’t Morrison being considered by Fergie? Is he injured? Or in a cell?

  • reddread

    Commenter said:
    We may only be a “little old ” Championship team, but our “subs” (above) include Zak Thompson, out for six weeks, and David Somma, out for six months. Still, we don’t need fit players to turn you lot over again. By the way, nice language some of you. No wonder your loved by all!!!

    Ffs. It’s ‘No wonder you’re loved by all’, you silly Dirty Leeds man. It’s bad enough having to correct this lot’s spelling and grammar without having to do it for some sheep-shagging interloper as well.
    I would imagine the subs are wrong because Ed couldn’t be arsed researching them properly, as you lot mean less to us than we do to you. Bigger fish to fry, hence our playing Berbatov and the rest of the reserves.

    “The longbow beats the crossbow, my idiotic friend”

    LUHG

  • ghost

    Amos, Valencia, Fryers, Carrick, Fabio, Giggs, Park, Macheda, Diouf, Owen, Berbatov

  • Bill

    Nobody predicted that back 4!

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    oh so fergies decided to lose then

    • Mongoletsi

      You can be really fucking boring. I’m guessing you’re not aware of this fact.

  • han

    Commenter said:
    Amos, Valencia, Fryers, Carrick, Fabio, Giggs, Park, Macheda, Diouf, Owen, Berbatov

    is that for real?
    ffs
    i hate to say this, but i find myself agreeing with unclecocksuckerfuckingsheepshagger

  • ghost

    Subs: De Gea, Welbeck, Brown, M Keane, Thorpe, Pogba, Cole

  • sidney

    The fuck, is that team real?!

    Carrick at centreback or is it a flat back 3

    And no proper midfielders

  • RobDiablo

    Commenter said:
    Amos, Valencia, Fryers, Carrick, Fabio, Giggs, Park, Macheda, Diouf, Owen, Berbatov

    I’m glad to see Jones get the day off; he’s been on the receiving end of some nasty tackles lately. Anyone got a stream?

  • han

    the last time SAF tinkered with the team to this degree, we got well and truly fucked at west ham

  • RobDiablo

    Commenter said:
    http://magic-tv.co/
    it’s probably showing there.

    Everything there but the match. Thanks, though.

    • ghost

      click on stream 1. it’s on there.

  • han

    oh well at least berba gets an outing
    every cloud etc

  • han

    anyone know anything at all about fryers? and im not talking about the deep fat variety

  • han

    4 strikers
    4 midfielders
    ffs
    SAF really taking the pee

  • madmax

    anyone have sopcast or TVU streams?

  • han

    come on united
    fuck off bellend rd

  • madredmonkey

    han said:
    4 strikers
    4 midfielders
    ffs
    SAF really taking the pee

    if it works then he is a genius.

  • sidney

    madredmonkey said:
    if it works then he is a genius.

    If it works then Leeds really are shit

  • han

    doofus ffs

  • RobDiablo

    Commenter said:
    click on stream 1. it’s on there.

    I did. All I get is a grey rectangle where the match should be and the comments box which is working.

  • sidney
  • reddread

    The fuck? Was looking forward to seeing Pogba, too. Hopefully he’ll get a go second half …

  • han

    owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn

  • RobDiablo

    sidney said:
    Good stream 106723

    More here http://www.footballstreaming.info/streams/todays-links/

    Cheers. Found one that worked just in time to see Owen’s goal.

  • madredmonkey

    owen 1-0

  • sidney

    Arsenal 0-1 Shrewsbury

    Haha

  • madredmonkey

    sidney said:
    Arsenal 0-1 Shrewsbury

    Haha

    funny.

  • bman

    Berba can’t really feign interest can he?

  • Triggs

    Fryers looks promising – very composed

  • madredmonkey

    sloppy berba.

  • han

    bman said:
    Berba can’t really feign interest can he?

    u should ask uncle – berbas biggest fan on rant

  • han

    what did doofus do for a yellow?

  • bman

    That Carrick lad looks skilful at centre-back. I wonder if we could convert him into a defensive midfielder.

  • han

    owwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwweeeeeeeennnnnnnnnnnnnnnnn (again)
    sweet finish

  • captainhormone

    I love owen

    rolling back the years, and his all round lay is under rated too

    love him

  • madredmonkey

    owen again 2-0

  • dozer

    Owen should start against Stoke. Pure class.

  • fat maradona

    This is a great stream, english commentary too.

    http://magic-tv.co/?page_id=10

    And yeh, great Owen goal. Strange team selection though.

  • Triggs

    so fucking easy

  • han

    dirty fouling bastards – true to their reputation

  • Just1n

    Owen looking sharp. Time for him to get some game time in the league.

  • Snoopcousins

    Diouf really does look crap…

    I’d like to see how Owen would perform in our first team with pacey players all around him…I reckon he could do v well

  • han

    3-0
    sweet

  • bman

    Nice one Giggsy. Haven’t seen much from Macheda. I’d like to see Pogba get a decent number of minutes on the pitch, or any of the other young lads.

  • madredmonkey

    giggs pure class 3-0

  • sidney

    Owen is undeniably top draw in the box

    Class finisher

  • RobDiablo

    captainhormone said:
    I love owen

    …his all round lay is under rated too

    love him

    Freudian?

  • madredmonkey

    Sir Alex = Genius.

  • brianofnazareth

    I’ve missed the old Leeds derby games! I have fond memories of those magic 90′s!

  • han

    im actually surprised that leeds haven’t put more pressure on our non existent defence – just the 1st 5 mins when berbs had to clear off the line twice – if united really focus, the score could be pretty damning for them

  • han

    pogba on for giggs
    now lets see if the lad can play as he has been in the reserves

  • Spudiator

    Finally a debut for Pogba then!

  • Just1n

    What a pass from Pogba.

  • bman

    Pogba needs to work on making himself available for the pass.

  • sidney

    Pogba has given the midfield some stability sitting so deep and playing it simple

    I’d like to see the rangey cunt bomb forward occasionally though

  • han

    ffs an inflatable sheep in the united away end!!!!!!!

  • brianofnazareth

    sidney said:
    the rangey cunt

    REPORTED.

  • madredmonkey

    han said:
    ffs an inflatable sheep in the united away end!!!!!!!

    lol.

  • dozer

    Pogba seems to be everywhere! Now I can’t say that about one player.

  • han

    dozer said:
    Pogba seems to be everywhere! Now I can’t say that about one player.

    u just did

  • han

    welbeck time i think

  • bman

    Berba can be a real joy to watch. Macheda is crap though.

  • han

    i thought macheda was out injured until recently?

  • dozer

    Berbatov is pure class. Why doesn’t he play midfield more often? He can run the show.
    Edit: he can’t tackle though

    Sir Ryan Giggs? No no no. Sir Paul Scholes say.

  • sidney

    Anti-Glazer chant

    How we’ll kill him I don’t know
    Cut him up from head to toe
    All I know is Glazers gonna diiieee

  • sidney

    I hope the broadcasters heard it and will stop broadcasting

    Such violence, totally outrageous

  • Just1n

    dozer said:
    Berbatov is pure class. Why doesn’t he play midfield more often? He can run the show.
    Edit: he can’t tackle though

    and run

  • sidney

    Pogba impressing in front of the back 4

    Reads the game well

  • han

    fryers off
    finishing with 10 men

  • Triggs

    absolutely fucking love this back 4 at the mo

  • madredmonkey

    han said:
    fryers off
    finishing with 10 men

    we only need 10 men.

  • sidney

    Berba at centreback, brilliant

  • han

    how did this shower of shite beat us at OT last year?

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    ending the game with bollockless centre halves, a new low for leeds

  • Triggs

    nothing but predictable this cunt

  • madredmonkey

    so fecking easy, leeds are shite, but we always new that.

  • madredmonkey

    han said:
    how did this shower of shite beat us at OT last year?

    we took that game as a gimme, and never got going, no repeat tonight, leeds are rubbish, as it showed tonight.

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    who’s this fryers cunt then

  • reddread

    Young lad. Defender. Played for the reserves v Dirty Leeds tonight, alongside Giggs, Carrick, Owen, Berbatov and Valencia. I know you know that, but it just feels so odd to type!

  • Bill

    Fryers, Cole, R Brown, Thorpe, Keane M all involved last night and all Manc lads. Great to see. Cole looked for good technically when he came on.

  • brianofnazareth

    Paul Parker>>>>>Larnell Cole

  • http://damiangarside.com Damian Garside

    I am thrilled at the way Ferguson’s experimental team selection really came off. Someone writing on the Guardian football site said that he believed that Fergie had really moved out of the box and was thinking aboiut the game in a very `post-positional’ kind of way and that this had a lot to do with our sensational early form, but also with what was in essence a very counter-intuitive melding of reserve team veterans and youth demolishing Leeds, not even leting them get into the game.As someone else posted on the same site: `Man U are becoming very scary’.

    I have been critical of Fergie thinking of him as stuck in particular mindsets and intractibly stubborn: but here it seems that he may (thinking of an analogy with Walter Bishop in Fringe)have opened a door to a new, alternate football dimension.

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    LEARN TO QUOTE FFS

  • RobDiablo

    From what I’ve seen in preseason and yesterday’s match, I think it’s time to find Macheda a new home. He’ll always be remembered fondly by United supporters for the two goals that helped United win its 18th while simultaneously denying Liverpool its 19th, but he just doesn’t seem to be progressing. He doesn’t have that ‘x-factor’; he’s neither particularly fast nor a great passer and, in the attacking third, he looks like a graduate from the Nani School of Decision Making. I don’t know that Diouf will ever be polished enough to be in United’s striker rotation, but he is faster and stronger on the ball than is Macheda; I’d rather see him get those Carling Cup and UCL dead rubber games.
    I thought Pogba looked at least two years away from the first team. Sir Alex seems to be planning to keep him around the big boys this season before loaning him out to, I presume, a Premiership side in the next. That should do the trick.

    • Mongoletsi

      I’m with you, Macheda is not good enough at all.

  • captainhormone

    RobDiablo said:
    From what I’ve seen in preseason and yesterday’s match, I think it’s time to find Macheda a new home. He’ll always be remembered fondly by United supporters for the two goals that helped United win its 18th while simultaneously denying Liverpool its 19th, but he just doesn’t seem to be progressing. He doesn’t have that ‘x-factor’; he’s neither particularly fast nor a great passer and, in the attacking third, he looks like a graduate from the Nani School of Decision Making. I don’t know that Diouf will ever be polished enough to be in United’s striker rotation, but he is faster and stronger on the ball than is Macheda; I’d rather see him get those Carling Cup and UCL dead rubber games.

    I thought Pogba looked at least two years away from the first team. Sir Alex seems to be planning to keep him around the big boys this season before loaning him out to, I presume, a Premiership side in the next. That should do the trick.

    i think you are mostly right Rob, however i think Pogba is closer than you think tbf…maybe 12 months

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    dioufs got a few years on macheda tbf, and taggart loves him, cal too

  • RobDiablo

    captainhormone said:
    i think you are mostly right Rob, however i think Pogba is closer than you think tbf…maybe 12 months

    I’d be very happy for that to be true, but I’m predicting two years because I think it will be very good for him to practice with the first team while continuing to play in the Reserve’s matches before going on loan to a mid-table Premiership side. The practices will help him grow in skill and confidence, while dominating in the Reserves will give him the right kind of mindset for the midfielder we all expect him to become. A year starting for a Premiership side will add seasoning and mental toughness. It isn’t enough that he gets to be as good as Carrick, Park, or Fletcher, he needs to become a Robson or a Roy Keane. Then, if Cleverley continues to improve, United will be have the midfield to challenge for the Champions League title in earnest.

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    LEARN TO QUOTE FFS

  • reddread

    Calm down, knobhead…

  • han

    uncleknobheadforfucksake said:
    LEARN TO QUOTE FFS

    LEARN TO LOVE YOUR FELLOW MUFC BRETHREN, YES EVEN UNCLEFUCKFACETINYCOCKARSELICKERKNOBCHEESE

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    that makes no sense, I already know how to love myself, sometimes a few times a day

  • dozer

    Diouf is the kind of player I’d want to bring on as a sub when United are losing against a better team or when things aren’t clicking. At least we can lump it into the box and he’s very effective in the air; he’s got a great leap that lad and he’s got skill.

    This scenario will be rare but in the Champions league, it’ll be useful.

    Macheda looks useless to us, he seems to have stagnated.

  • squigs

    Unfortunately so, looked like the new Mark Hughes when he came on the scene, now looks like the new Lee Hughes.