Preview: Everton v United



New season, new hope; and Sir Alex Ferguson has created more than a little this summer with a string of exciting, attacking purchases to bolster Manchester United’s squad. Whether the Reds soft midfield underbelly is once again exposed will be determined over the next nine months, although tThe campaign could hardly begin with a tougher fixture as Fergsuon’s men visit Everton at Goodison Park on the opening weekend Monday night of the season. New acquisitions Shinji Kagawa and Robin van Persie are set to make their United debuts, with the Reds chasing a 20th league title this season.

Three months on from the dramatic, and for United supporters everywhere traumatic, end to the Premier League season, with Manchester City snatching the title on goal difference deep into injury time, Ferguson has promised a response. The “mark of true champions,” says the 70-year-old Scot is the ability to respond. Indeed, the United manager has done his bit, revitalising the Reds’ attacking options with van Persie and Kagawa, and promising that “never again” will City beat United to the title on goal difference.

It is a call to arms that nobody uses to more effect that Ferguson, who has pushed his players to overcome a summer of disappointment by winning back the Premier League title next May.

“What happened takes some getting over, it’s not easy,” admits midfielder Michael Carrick.

“It was a huge blow, the way it happened. Nobody could have predicted that and we never thought it was going to happen. But we have to get over it now. We’ve had setbacks in the past and we have to move on. That’s the nature of the club and the manager. He’ll be driving us forward to achieve something this season.

“As a club we do tend to bounce back. If we have a defeat or setback we tend to come back stronger. We can’t forget how close we were. It wasn’t a disaster in terms of how the season went because we had a good season. We’ll bounce back. We’re strong this year and we’re hungry, not that we wouldn’t have been hungry anyway. It will be a good championship.”

After a trophy-less season last time out, few supporters will countenance anything other than a “good season” that contains both silverware, and exciting performances. Both were in short supply at times last season.

Yet, while Ferguson has recruited new attacking players, the Scot has been more circumspect elsewhere, with Crewe Alexandra midfielder Nick Powell likely to spend much of the season with United’s Under-21 side, and Dutchman Alexander Büttner brought in as cover for Patrice Evra at left-back.

The lack of new options in central midfield will be tested once again at Goodison, especially with Rio Ferdinand reportedly joining Chris Smalling, Phil Jones and Jonny Evans on the treatment table. Midfielder Michael Carrick will deputise in defence, with Tom Cleverley joining 38-year-old Paul Scholes in the centre of the park. Brazilian Anderson is fit, for once some may add, but is likely to start on the bench.

Everton v Manchester United, Goodison Park, 20 August 2012Meanwhile, Everton manager David Moyes has his own midfield problems to solve after selling Jack Rodwell and Tim Cahill this summer, while Darron Gibson and Marouanne Fellaini each face late fitness tests ahead of the Monday night kick-off. Steven Pienaar has rejoined from Tottenham Hotspur, while striking recruit Steven Naismith is set for a club debut.

Still, United can expect nothing other than a thorough test at Goodison after a summer that included plenty of long-haul travel, but previous little football of a high quality.

“Being away in your first game is always tough so we’ll have to be up for it,” said Welshman Ryan Giggs ahead of what could be his final season for the club.

“We’ve had a decent record there over the years – they’re always good games which can be pretty quick and quite feisty which adds to the atmosphere. David Moyes’ teams always work hard and you know you’re in for a battle and that you’ll have to work harder than them to win.

“We can talk about the quality players we’ve got in our squad but ultimately you need to work hard and make sure you start the season off well. It’s certainly a good test to begin with and everyone is looking forward to it. The manager likes to lay down his ambitions for the season and look in the players’ eyes to see if they’re ready for the challenge and we are. It was a long summer and we can’t wait to get going and put things right this time.”

With title rivals City and Chelsea both winning at the weekend Ferguson’s side is already playing catch-up in the Premier League, although there will be no panic at Old Trafford should the Reds not come away with all three points.

Yet, there will also be desire for a modicum of revenge after Everton’s dramatic 4-4 draw with United in Manchester last April. It proved to be a decisive result in the Premier League. Ferguson will want no repeat of the lax defending his men demonstrated that day.

Match Details
Everton v Manchester United – Premier League, Goodison Park – Monday 20 August 2012, 8pm

Possible Teams
Everton (4-4-2): Howard; Neville, Jagielka, Heitinga, Baines; Osman, Gibson, Fellaini, Pienaar; Naismith, Jelavic. Subs from: Mucha, Hibbert, Distin, Gueye, Barkley, Vellios, Duffy, Anichebe, Francisco, McAleny, Coleman

United (4-2-3-1): De Gea; Rafael, Carrick, Vidic, Evra; Cleverley, Scholes; Nani, Rooney, Kagawa; Van Persie. Subs from: Lindegaard, Powell, Valencia, Giggs, Young, Welbeck, Berbatov, Macheda, Hernández

Officials
Referee: A Marriner
Assistants: S Ledger, M McDonough
Fourth Official: A Taylor

Form
n/a

Head-to-Head
Last 10: United – 5 | Everton – 2 | Draw – 3
Overall: United – 81 | Everton – 64 | Draw – 42

Prediction
1-1

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  • Spudiator

    I keep thinking of that 4-4 draw, and even though United had only themselves to blame, I do think a certain amount of revenge mentality will see this game through. I reckon 2-0 to United, van Persie and Rooney getting the goals.

  • marlon

    Not sure RVP will be fit to start. I think Kagawa is more likely to start with RVP replacing him after the hour. Not sure Scholes will start either after his performance in the 4-4. He is a bit ineffective against energetic pressing midfields, although it could be different in a 4231. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Ando come in for him.

  • markos Haile

    By any means kagawa, nani, vanpersi and rooney should start. Young is not better than nani.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    I think Eds got it spot on… that’s the team, and formation I want to see us play every big game… obviously Carrick in Scholes place, when our defence isn’t in ruins… but when those players, especially the front 4 get to know each other, we’re going to see some awesome football… I’m sure of it.

    I’m still not happy with Ferguson… but this is the first season in years that I’m genuinely excited about the football to come, and not just depressed about the state of our club and the cunts running it.

    • Stevie D

      Here here Alf.

  • Damian Garside

    Please tell Michael Carrick that it isn’t true that noone foresaw City overhauling United. Some of the posters on Rant did.

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    carrick in defence, nobody protecting the back four, fellaini bullying scholes, rooney red card

    home win

  • http://www.newhallmedialtd.com Calvino

    We will start with our ridiculous outdated straight line 4-4-2 and then Everton will run riot as they did a few months ago at old Trafford. What is wrong with Jones? Why on earth are we going to start another season with Paul Scholes starting ANY game?

    I am already annoyed thinking about these long before the match starts.

    • CoombesOn

      The Jones issue is pretty well publicized Calvino – he has a problem with his back. He’ll be out for a month apparently.

      And I don’t think a traditional 442 is really possible with the players we need to incorporate. At least I hope not… It will be pretty heartbreaking if we do try to stick with that outdated formation.

      And finally, Scholes was one of the main reasons we got so close to City last year. He doesn’t have the engine to compete against the top Prem teams (and I include Everton in that) for the full 90. But he can more than do a job against most.

      In all fairness, he was pretty solid against them in the 4-4 until it got to 70 mins. And when you look at who he’ll be up against today, the only massive threat is Fellaini (and to a lesser extent Osman)

      My bigger concerns relate to the back 4

      Really disconcerting to be starting the year with plasters across the defence yet again. Don’t really understand why Michael Keane started on Saturday given our problems here

      Oh well. It wouldn’t be United if we didn’t make things difficult. Triumph in the face of adversity and all that.

    • http://www.cgmufc.blogspot.com Sam

      Finally someone else saying the 442 is outdated! Thank you.

  • Dinkinflicker

    I think Van Persie will start on the bench, with Rooney through the middle and Kagawa in behind him. Valencia on the right and Young on the left. Nani on the bench as well.

  • dozer

    Nani will be second choice when Valencia’s playing.
    Is Evans injured too?
    If so I think we’ll line up.

    DDG,
    Rafael, Carrick, Vidic, Evra
    Scholes, Cleverley,
    Valencia, Kagawa
    Rooney
    RVP

  • Spudiator

    Calvino said:
    We will start with our ridiculous outdated straight line 4-4-2 and then Everton will run riot as they did a few months ago at old Trafford. What is wrong with Jones? Why on earth are we going to start another season with Paul Scholes starting ANY game?

    I am already annoyed thinking about these long before the match starts.

    Fucking hell Cal, can you be just a tad more melodramatic? I don’t think you quite nailed it!

  • http://www.newhallmedialtd.com Calvino

    Forgive me Spud. Am trying.

    But seriously, what is wrong with Jones? Or Evans? First bleeding game of the season and they are crocked? From what? Watching telly? We already know that Rio is not going to be much use but seriously…?

    We still should have gone for a holding midfielder.

  • sidney

    I actually can’t be arsed with this season yet

    That might change nearer kick off

  • Spudiator

    Jonny Evans I believe is still recovering from an operation he had over the Summer, Cal. As for Phil Jones, your guess is as good as mine, unfortunately!

  • sidney

    Really can’t be arsed with Young

    Ugh

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    sidney said:
    Really can’t be arsed with Young

    Ugh

    Nope… Never mind Berbatov… he was the dumbest money we’ve spent since Hargreaves.

    • Mongoletsi

      Scoring a hat trick against the scousers… counts for nowt eh?

  • http://twitter.com/dosdamt Ben Hulston

    Expect Fellaini to spend the game bullying Carrick if Carrick starts at CB. As an aside, why didn’t we solve the Fellaini problem by purchasing my favorite be-Afro’d footballer. I really think he is underrated and I’d love him at United.

    Heart is screaming for RvP to start, head suggests having an extra man in midfield would be more useful. I’d start with a 3 man midfield (Who that might be is another thing), Nani / Kagawa floating about behind Rooney. I know Fergie likes his wing play, but we get natural width from our fullbacks and I would rather trust in our forwards, like the season with had the mind bogglingly brilliant Rooney / Ronaldo / Tevez front line, to take up sensible positions.

    2 – 1 United, but it’ll be squeaky bum all the way.

    • Mongoletsi

      Yep. I’m seeing a more 4-3-3 this season…

  • Stevie D

    Everton usually have an awful start to the Premier League season. I’m hopeful that trend continues tonight, with them being a stale team badly in need of investment.
    Think we’ll win this one, 2-0. Kagawa and Vidic to score!

  • sidney

    All Fellaini can do is hold it up and lay it of, he’s not going to turn Carrick, so just let him win it, then crowd him out and win the second ball

    He’ll look to flick it on to runners n all, so just make sure those players are tracked, and shown down the line and/or smashed in the face

    Piss

  • http://twitter.com/dosdamt Ben Hulston

    Sid – you mean like the last time we played Everton, where he embarrassed us by dictating the play all game with his height, power and us getting no-where near the runners or second ball.

    Of course I don’t see that necessarily happening again, but let’s not get all super excited again…

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    rooney usually doesnt start at goodison,would remove the problem of where to fit persie, albeit would also be acomplete fuckup not to play rooney

    and yes young is an absolute pointless shithouse non entity cheating hunchback tosser,

  • sheesh

    If there’s anyway we can keep Rafael away from the starting XI, let’s make it happen. Useless player.

  • http://www.newhallmedialtd.com Calvino

    Rafa? He will be fine will young da Silva. I trust him actually.

  • Denton Davey

    Alfonso Bedoya: “I’m still not happy with Ferguson…”

    I’m sure SAF’s very concerned about that !

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Quality post, that.
    You’re wasted here.

    “Badges, to god-damned hell with badges! We have no badges. In fact, we don’t need badges. I don’t have to show you any stinking badges, you god-damned cabrón and ching’ tu madre! Come out from that shit-hole of yours. I have to speak to you.”

  • http://www.newhallmedialtd.com Calvino

    Commenter said:
    Alfonso Bedoya: “I’m still not happy with Ferguson…”

    I’m sure SAF’s very concerned about that !

    :lol:

  • http://www.newhallmedialtd.com Calvino

    Alfonso Bedoya said:
    Quality post, that.

    You’re wasted here.

    This is even better. Gosh I have missed RANT.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    And Rant has missed you Cal…

    You covering the ACN again this year?

  • http://www.newhallmedialtd.com Calvino

    Not sure Alf. Am getting old so pursuing my interests like my website and the blogs I write for supersport.com. Maybe I might be at ACN, will keep you posted. My nerves are taut already for this season. Have no idea how and why I put myself through this every year now since ’83! My wife is fed up already and is annoyed in advance of tonight’s kick-off.

  • bman

    I’m really looking forward to this. I hope Rooney, RVP, and Kagawa all start. RVP will probably be able to jump right into the swing of things, it will probably take a while before we can properly judge Kagawa. Ah fucking the fucking Glazers. A few decent signings, and I’m eating up United product again, damn it.

    I’d expect us to win about 3-1 looking a bit sloppy and not very fluent. But our forwards should have too much for an equally sloppy Everton to keep them out.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Calvino said:
    Not sure Alf. Am getting old so pursuing my interests like my website and the blogs I write for supersport.com. Maybe I might be at ACN, will keep you posted. My nerves are taut already for this season. Have no idea how and why I put myself through this every year now since ’83! My wife is fed up already and is annoyed in advance of tonight’s kick-off.

    Old?

    Pfft… you found your first grey pube yet?

    That’s when it’ll really hit you.

  • bman

    So if Jones, Evans, Smalling, and Rio are all crocked that puts Carrick in defense and limits our midfied options even more. I reckong Fergie will start with this:

    DG
    Raf — Carrick — Vida — Evra
    Tony V — Scholes — Cleverly — Kagawa
    Roo — RVP

    Not necessarily quite that formation, but something along those lines. I’d rather see Nani start, but Fergie will probably go with Valencia.

  • RobDiablo

    I’d have:

    de Gea
    Rafael / Carrick / Vidic / Evra
    Cleverley / Scholes
    Valencia / Kagawa / Nani
    Rooney

    RvP to come on around the hour mark.

  • http://twitter.com/dosdamt Ben Hulston

    AV at RB, Carrick at centre back

    At least they’re not playing Heitinga

    Why the fuck are all our fucking CBs injured!!! Gnaaarrgh!

  • RobDiablo

    Looks like 4-3-3

    de Gea
    Valencia / Carrick / Vidic / Evra
    Nani / Cleverley / Scholes
    Kagawa / Rooney / Welbeck

  • sidney

    Just two defenders
    Kagawa better not end up playing on the wing

  • RobDiablo

    sidney said:
    Kagawa better not end up playing on the wing

    I would guess that Nani and Valencia will do the winger/overlapping fullback thing on our right, leaving Kagawa free to drift in behind Rooney.
    EDIT: anyone got a reliable, non-Sopcast stream recommendation?

  • marlon

    really hope that’s not a 442 with Kagawa LM. Wootton on the bench and no M. Keane – why play him all pre-season and then bring in someone else? Berba, Young, Raf, Anderson, Lindegaard and RVP others on the bench. No Hernandez, but Berba?

  • Minus The Bear

    Wootton has had more 1st team experience from loans. Berbatov is on there for defensive cover. I wish I was joking.

    RobDiablo

    http://www.footballstreaming.info/streams/todays-links/index.html

    Have a look they’ll be streams off that.

  • RobDiablo

    @Minus

    Found one, thanks!

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    RobDiablo said:
    I would guess that Nani and Valencia will do the winger/overlapping fullback thing on our right, leaving Kagawa free to drift in behind Rooney.

    EDIT: anyone got a reliable, non-Sopcast stream recommendation?

    Bloodzeed is great… 132927

  • DamnedUnited

    Treatment of Berbatov is sickening. It is really sad to see the expression on his face while on the subs bench today.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Right, so starts another season…

    Here we go you fuckerrrrrs…

  • sidney

    Nani in wanker mode

  • sidney

    Kagawa is playing centrally

    Welbeck out wide

  • http://twitter.com/dosdamt Ben Hulston

    Did you see that ball just there by Kagawa for Rooney?

    HOOHOOHOO!

  • bman

    Kagawa and Nani both look sharp and lively so far. I thought Nani had run down a blind alley there at one point, but he kept the ball away from 3 or 4 blue players nicely. I’d love a big season from him

  • bman

    Fucking hell Scholes looks a right liability so far.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Wicked pace to the game.

  • http://twitter.com/dosdamt Ben Hulston

    What the fuck is Scholesy doing there

    (I know what he’s doing, but we need to cut out the bellend yellow cards sharpish)

  • bman

    And Scholes gets booked. That was coming from the first minute. He looks well off the pace.

  • sidney

    bman said:
    Fucking hell Scholes looks a right liability so far.

    He’s being pressed. I can hear the crowd urging Fellaini to get tight to him when he picks it up.

    Vintage tackle from him there, class

  • http://twitter.com/dosdamt Ben Hulston

    Yeah Fellaini is just all headers, yeah….

  • bman

    No disrespect to Fellaini, who I think is a very good player, but Carrick is no centre back. We really need a fucking midfielder. Maybe I’m judging too hastily, but so far this really looks a season too far for Scholes.

  • http://twitter.com/dosdamt Ben Hulston

    We look all at sea at the back. Goal inevitably coming up. Scholes is miles off the pace

  • sidney

    Ben Hulston said:
    Yeah Fellaini is just all headers, yeah….

    Well, headers and strength

    If we can’t handle him then we’re gonna be fucked when we come up against top players

  • http://twitter.com/dosdamt Ben Hulston

    That’s fucking disgusting from Fellaini. Elbow right inna chops

  • sidney

    We’re gonna play some shit hot stuff with Kagawa

  • bman

    Fuck I wish we had a player like De Rossi or Schweinsteiger. We’d be the complete package then.

    • Snoopcousins

      Have to say we look a little dis-jointed..
      Having scholes in the middle is still a step-back..massive weak link methinks

      Positive note tho..Kagawa looks class

  • sidney

    There you go Ben, let Fellaini win the long ball, then nick the second ball

  • http://twitter.com/dosdamt Ben Hulston

    sidney said:
    Well, headers and strength

    If we can’t handle him then we’re gonna be fucked when we come up against top players

    It’s not just that – look at his first touch, his vision bringing in other players. Yes he thrives when the direct ball is coming in, but it’s quality out of him too, it’s not just pinging into him and bouncing off in random directions.

  • sidney

    What a nice little ball round the corner from Scholes

  • sidney

    Ben Hulston said:
    It’s not just that – look at his first touch, his vision bringing in other players. Yes he thrives when the direct ball is coming in, but it’s quality out of him too, it’s not just pinging into him and bouncing off in random directions.

    His first touch is alright, his balls are alright, but he’s nowt special
    If we had a beasty cunty midfielder, or two fit beasty cunty centrebacks, we’d neutralise him
    But still, he’s had the ball taken off his foot 5 or 6 times so far
    And when he had an actual chance on goal it went for a throw in

  • http://twitter.com/dosdamt Ben Hulston

    That’s a fantastic save by De Gea. He’s looked top notch.

    Kagawa, Cleverley, looking nice and neat, good attacking intent from both of them. Turning, getting their head up, looking for options. Welbeck / Rooney limited opportunities to get going really. Not too bad a showing so far, but we need to up the tempo. Everton aren’t slouches at the back, need more final third quality

  • bman

    How the hell do we have 4 centrebacks injured already. There is something badly badly wrong at the club concerning training, fitness, or the medical team. We’ve have a defensive crisis nearly every season for the past four or five years, even though we’ve got a whole bunch of decent defenders.

  • Snoopcousins

    Get Scholes off

  • bman

    Commenter said:
    Get Scholes off

    And bring who on? Anderson? We’ve got fuck all options for central midfield.

  • dozer

    Good through ball to Welbeck from Kagawa there. He looks good so far.

  • bman

    sidney said:
    His first touch is alright, his balls are alright, but he’s nowt special

    If we had a beasty cunty midfielder, or two fit beasty cunty centrebacks, we’d neutralise him

    If he’s good enough to occupy a midfielder, he’s pretty good.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    De Gea is fuckin class.

  • sidney

    De Gea has had to make some class saves

    MOTM so far

  • http://twitter.com/dosdamt Ben Hulston

    Soft fouls conceded by Nani again. He’s in full mong mode

  • sidney

    bman said:
    If he’s good enough to occupy a midfielder, he’s pretty good.

    I don’t think he is, he just plays in the space that a DM would occupy

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Nani’s playing for his place… good to see.

  • dozer

    bman said:
    And bring who on? Anderson? We’ve got fuck all options for central midfield.

    Yeah, Scholes, Carrick, Cleverley and Giggs are our only options. People moaning get Scholes off need to get their heads out of their butts

    • Snoopcousins

      You’re arguing that Scholes shouldn’t be taken off?
      I KNOW there’s fuck all better MF’s to bring on but I’d even rather Rooney and Kagawa sat deeper and took Scholes off

    • Snoopcousins

      You’re arguing that Scholes shouldn’t be taken off?
      I KNOW there’s fuk all better MF’s to bring on but I’d even rather Rooney and Kagawa sat deeper and took Scholes off

  • http://www.visual-intrusion.com Robbo

    Apart from De Gea we’ve done jack shit this half how long before Fergal makes changes.

  • http://twitter.com/dosdamt Ben Hulston

    Nani in full on mongo mode, booked in the first 10 minutes, loads of stupid fouls, no real end product as usual. Kagawa looks tidy, Cleverley same. De Gea looking awesome

  • Gabagool

    Liking kagawa, Rooney looks slow and given the ball away every touch he’s had.
    Be happy with a draw out of this. Though I can see Fellaini killing us up front.

  • brianofnazareth

    RVP needs to come on. Rooney woeful again.

  • bman

    De Gea’s made some good saves there. Kagawa made some very good passes – I like how he always seems to be looking around him, never at the ball at his feet. But the problem area as expected is the defensive-central midfield area. Usual service has resumed in other words.

  • bman

    Nah I don’t think Nani’s doing so badly. I saw more positives than negatives in his performance so far. He’s had a few mong moments, but they are coming from an excess of enthusiasm, which is nice to see. He’s definitely going for it.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Good half…

    De Gea is the business, Kagawa looks to be a great signing, Nani is really putting in a shift.

  • dozer

    This first half speaks volumes about the ‘luxury’ Van Persie transfer. The strikers and wingers are playing well, but still United are struggling, being almost destroyed by Fellaini. Imagine what the city team will do to us, with Toure and the likes.

    Oh wait… we don’t need to imagine this.

  • kramer

    we’re fellaini’s bitch.

    scholes in the centre is a problem. he’s not always able to keep up with the pace, and he’s already on a yellow.
    rooney’s been shit, nani’s been poor, welbeck’s been mostly out of the game.
    kagawa’s been great.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Ben Hulston said:
    Nani in full on mongo mode, booked in the first 10 minutes, loads of stupid fouls, no real end product as usual. Kagawa looks tidy, Cleverley same. De Gea looking awesome

    Nain is putting about a bit, so what… it’s good to see… that yellow was bollocks… he’s having a good game.

  • bman

    I’m fairly confident Fergie will be able to set the lads straight for the second half.

  • sheesh

    Tonight’s a textbook example of why we will struggle to win the league unless we sign centre midfielder.

    We will lose this game. There’s far too much pressure on our defence. It will tell eventually.

    Kagawa and de Gea have been the real positives. We don’t really look very threatening up front, though, so I can’t see where a goal will come from.

  • http://www.newhallmedialtd.com Calvino

    Same rubbish again. A lack of strength and fight in midfield. No one to frighten or combat Fellaini the only saving grace is that we have the numbers there.

    That fool goes and gets himself booked early on for his usual idiotic tackle. Knowing how the partisan Everton crowd are we will play with 10 men shortly.

  • Herbie Simms

    Same old story, no midfield, no defence.
    Its good we are getting Kaka on loan. We will see a big difference in midfield. But we don’t need a real strong defence against Everton. Bring on Van Persie and Berbatov and this game is over.

  • Dinkinflicker

    Rooney has been shite.

  • brianofnazareth

    Rooney off RVP on.

  • Dinkinflicker

    Kagawas awareness and decision making of when and where to make a final ball is excellent.

  • Snoopcousins

    The Number 7 shirt is hardly hallowed anymore at Utd…Owen and now Valencia?!

  • brianofnazareth

    Kagawa is going to be some player!

    Maybe I’ll change my mind t some point but Wellbeck for me just isn’t good enough!

  • dozer

    Commenter said:
    The Number 7 shirt is hardly hallowed anymore at Utd…Owen and now Valencia?!

    Vslencia, our best player? Yep.

  • brianofnazareth

    Cleverly is a fuckinh passenger!

  • http://twitter.com/dosdamt Ben Hulston

    Fellaini has bummed us all game long, and now he’s scored. We have no response. Why in the name of fuck is Carrick competing against him.

  • brianofnazareth

    Inevitable!

  • http://www.visual-intrusion.com Robbo

    It had to happen

  • brianofnazareth

    Ha ha already fucked off this season!

  • Anantax

    Only good thing is Kagawa and de Gea. Wellbeck and Roo v little impact. Midfield is overrun.

    Bloody hell

  • http://twitter.com/dosdamt Ben Hulston

    That sums Nani up. He couldn’t have any more fucking options in front of him, and he swings it into the keeper’s arms. All yous who go on about “x factor”, are you nuts? So he can occasionally put one in the top corner, the rest of the time it’s run abouty arm wafting bollocks.

  • Anantax

    Ben Hulston said:
    That sums Nani up. He couldn’t have any more fucking options in front of him, and he swings it into the keeper’s arms. All yous who go on about “x factor”, are you nuts? So he can occasionally put one in the top corner, the rest of the time it’s run abouty arm wafting bollocks.

    Agree with this 100%

    the x factor is very few and far in between

  • Just1n

    Fuck Fellaini has owned us tonight. We really need to boss the midfield. Scholes looking well off the pace.

  • sidney

    I missed the goal, what happened?

    Fellaini n all, heh

  • brianofnazareth

    I’m not even going to blame Carrick, why didn’t Vidic take the man? Cleverly and Wellbeck not up to the standard unfortunately!

  • Snoopcousins

    Commenter said:
    The Number 7 shirt is hardly hallowed anymore at Utd…Owen and now Valencia?!

    Vslencia, our best player? Yep.

    Really?!

  • http://www.visual-intrusion.com Robbo

    When is that that cunt Ferguson going to make changes.

  • http://twitter.com/dosdamt Ben Hulston

    Oh look, Valencia manages to get forward and all of a sudden Everton open up

    HEY GUYS, NANI HAS X FACTOR

  • dozer

    Fellaini

    Commenter said:
    Commenter said:
    The Number 7 shirt is hardly hallowed anymore at Utd…Owen and now Valencia?!

    Vslencia, our best player? Yep.

    Really?!

    Yes, I know he’s not your brad pitt on the pitch.
    He just delivers.

  • sidney

    Should score there, should be 1-1

  • sidney

    This is better now

    Here comes Van Persie

  • Just1n

    Weird seen that rapist in a Utd shirt.

    • Snoopcousins

      Lol…dick

    • Snoopcousins

      Lol…twat

  • http://twitter.com/dosdamt Ben Hulston

    10 yard pass, and Nani fucks it up

    Waste of a shirt. Young on, young on at half time tbh

  • dozer

    sidney said:
    This is better now

    Here comes Van Persie

    Wont make a difference, our attack isn’t the problem.

  • brianofnazareth

    Fucking really thought Nani would come on and every season he doesn’t!

  • bman

    I was defending him earlier on, but Nani’s crossing is jsut getting worse and worse. I don’t think we’re going to get anything out of this one. Moyes took a look at our midfield, came up with a gameplan, and so far has executed it almost perfectly.

  • sheesh

    Nani has been shite. I’d rather have young on

  • dozer

    Nani’s been awful

  • http://twitter.com/dosdamt Ben Hulston

    Nani has messed up literally everything he’s done tonight. A complete waste of space. He’s been dire. He should’ve been taken off at half time. No end product – consistently no end product. On many occasions he’s had opportunities to pass it, cross it, whatever – but he’s just fucked it up.

  • bman

    fuuuck i was sure Kagawa was in there.

  • dozer

    Fergie should bring Rafael on and put Valencia on the wing. Rooney and RVP to lead the line.

  • Snoopcousins

    We arnt in the same class as City…their MF will run rings around us

  • sidney

    Everton haven’t pressed Scholes at all this half, anywhere on the pitch

  • brianofnazareth

    ‘one of those games’ already!! FFS!!

    A few shite performances today, Rooney, Cleverly and Nani!

    Not too gutted due to our defence, I believe we’ll have a good season! Kagawa has been a bright spot!

  • http://twitter.com/dosdamt Ben Hulston

    Ha, if this is what it will take to beat United this season, we’re fucked

    HEY, PLAY IT TO THE TALL ONE AND THEN PLAY THE SECOND BALL

    We’re fucked

  • Just1n

    brianofnazareth said:
    ‘one of those games’ already!! FFS!!

    A few shite performances today, Rooney, Cleverly and Nani!

    Not too gutted due to our defence, I believe we’ll have a good season! Kagawa has been a bright spot!

    Kagawa has looked good. RVP looking for a midfielder that can pass….

  • sidney

    Heh, Vidic loves a tussle, he enjoyed that

  • http://twitter.com/dosdamt Ben Hulston

    No, it’s not “one of those games”

    We’ve been outplayed. No end product from our forward line whatsoever, and not competing at all in midfield. Look at Fellaini working his fucking bollocks off still.

  • dozer

    At least Anderson looks like he gives a damn.

  • bman

    Anderson’s had more haircuts than goals since he joined us.

  • http://twitter.com/dosdamt Ben Hulston

    There we go

    What a pile of shit, really. Nani needs to get to fuck, he was fucking pointless again tonight. City are going to walk this.

  • Pikey McScum

    Nothing quite like making a statement of intent for the coming season.

    Pish

  • brianofnazareth

    A couple of mins left an we are fucking jogging!! Fuck I wish it was end of the season already!!

    Fucking hate this game at times!

  • Pikey McScum

    sheesh said:
    Nani has been shite. I’d rather have young on

    Really?

    Aye he was quality when he came on

  • dozer

    I’m sorry but Fergie’s nuts. It’s nice having Van Persie and all but he buys 3 and potentially FOUR fucking strikers this season.

    And Carrick marking Fellaini can’t be Queiroz tactics can it?

  • http://twitter.com/dosdamt Ben Hulston

    Look at City yesterday, they refused to get beat. Their big personalities stepped up.

    Who stepped up tonight? No one. Vidic wasn’t even marking Fellaini for fucks sake. I know we’ve got a pile of shit makeshift defence, but make no mistake – Raphael SHOULD have started at RB, and Valencia SHOULD have been playing right wing.

  • sheesh

    Same old story. Fuck about with the ball and let their keeper sit on his arse for 90 mins. Play Scholes for the entire game. Nani will always be a brainless gimp, I’m afraid. I think Alf might be right on that one.

    What a load of shit.

  • Just1n

    FFS if its not Nani then its Anderson while our center midfield were anal raped by Everton. Get a fucking grip.

  • Anantax

    What a way to start the season. Hope this is a wake up call to buy something ANYTHING more than can slot in right away to 1st team…

    Evra Rooney Scholes were all poor. Carrick was OWNED tonight but at least he has the excuse that its not his natural position. Nani was an absolute waste

    We never CONTROLLED the game,,,never even close.

    We deservd to lose and shouldve lost by more than 1 goal

    Only positives were Kagawa and de Gea.

    Bloody fucking hell…

  • sheesh

    Ben Hulston said:
    Look at City yesterday, they refused to get beat. Their big personalities stepped up.

    Who stepped up tonight? No one. Vidic wasn’t even marking Fellaini for fucks sake. I know we’ve got a pile of shit makeshift defence, but make no mistake – Raphael SHOULD have started at RB, and Valencia SHOULD have been playing right wing.

    Rafael is fucking shite. He would have walked back to the dressing room with a limp after the Everton players had finished with him.

  • dozer

    sheesh said:
    Rafael is fucking shite. He would have walked back to the dressing room with a limp after the Everton players had finished with him.

    Rafael is a brave and committed player, he can take the tough ones. He’s not the boy toy you describe.

  • sheesh

    He’s a dozy liability.

  • Bangkok Phil

    Terrible performance. To think I had to get up in the middle of the night to watch that crap. Kanagawa and De Gea the only positives. Nani was shocking, Rooney was worse.

  • http://twitter.com/dosdamt Ben Hulston

    Raphael would have enabled Valencia to go forward. He at least is an actual defensive player. Sheesh, sorry bud, you’re wrong. He would’ve put a shift in tonight, allowing Tony V to go forward, allowing Nani to get off to some “challenging” side in Spain, or off to the “PSG Project”.

    Tonight is a grade A example of why Nani WILL NEVER earn the top bucks

  • http://twitter.com/dosdamt Ben Hulston

    Gary Neville is saying literally what I said earlier – he’s not just pinging it about random bollocksing like. It’s entirely deliberate. He brings players into play.

    And he showed 10 x work rate than any of our midfielders.

  • Herbie Simms

    SAF still making bad team selections. Why start with Scholes? And if you are not going to play Rafael at right back, as I keep saying, we need also a right fullback.
    But if we have so many central defenders injured, then you change your tactics and play an attacking team to keep Everton on the defensive. Should have started with Rooney, Berbatov and Van Persie. Its only the first game but its the same old problems. The team will get better but can’t afford to drop points this early.

  • Dinkinflicker

    I don’t think our central midfield was the issue tonight. There were two main issues.

    The first was Fellaini. He completely dominated our back four, though to be fair Evertons game plan of hitting the diagonal ball to isolate Fellaini against our full backs was spot on. A more physicall defensive midfielder may have helped, but it wouldn’t have stopped the effect of Evertons directness causing us problems.

    The second problem was the front 3. Rooney, Nani, Wellbeck were all poor. Kagawa showed excellent movement, touch, close control, awareness, decision making and final ball were all excellent, and on his debut too. It says something when your attacking playmaker has a good game but the opposition keeper has no real save to make. Young was no better when he came on either. Van Persie displayed his obvious quality but couldn’t really get into the game. But the lack of any real presence, pace or touch by any of the front 3 shafted us tonight.

    Rooney is a massive concern. He doesn’t look fit and his first touch and close control have vanished. I’d even go as far as to say that if we were offered silly money (50m) then I’d take it, IF it could be reinvested.

    Fair fucks to Everton though. You talk about having bollocks in your game and they had it spades tonight.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Fuckin hell… you lot are something else.

    First game of the season…

    How about a bit of respect for Everton… they were fantastic… and bitching about our midfield not coping with Fellaini???… he is a big cunt. and 99% of the trouble he caused us, were headers won… when Everton hit the underside of the crossbar, it was from Fellaini beating Vidic in the air… so what makes any of you think, another midfielder would have coped?

    Fellaini is a decent player, but he’s not THAT good, which is why he’s stuck at Everton, and not Chelsea or City… he was outstanding tonight, and won them the game… but he won’t play like that every week… and Jagielka was also brilliant tonight…

    If Everton play like this all year, they’ll challenge for top 6 and give anyone a hard game at home.

    We lost 1-0 with a makeshift defence… I’m not happy, but there was more than enough to feel optimistic about the rest of the season… we are going to play a hell of a lot better than THAT… and THAT, wasn’t THAT bad…

    Everton won tonight and deserved it… that’s all.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Dinkinflicker said:
    I don’t think our central midfield was the issue tonight. There were two main issues.

    The first was Fellaini. He completely dominated our back four, though to be fair Evertons game plan of hitting the diagonal ball to isolate Fellaini against our full backs was spot on. A more physicall defensive midfielder may have helped, but it wouldn’t have stopped the effect of Evertons directness causing us problems.

    The second problem was the front 3. Rooney, Nani, Wellbeck were all poor. Kagawa showed excellent movement, touch, close control, awareness, decision making and final ball were all excellent, and on his debut too. It says something when your attacking playmaker has a good game but the opposition keeper has no real save to make. Young was no better when he came on either. Van Persie displayed his obvious quality but couldn’t really get into the game. But the lack of any real presence, pace or touch by any of the front 3 shafted us tonight.

    Rooney is a massive concern. He doesn’t look fit and his first touch and close control have vanished. I’d even go as far as to say that if we were offered silly money (50m) then I’d take it, IF it could be reinvested.

    Fair fucks to Everton though. You talk about having bollocks in your game and they had it spades tonight.

    Good post, but don’t write Rooney off yet… there were a few hints tonight of things to come from him and Kagawa, when they get used to playing with van Percie, I think we’ll see fireworks.

  • Anantax

    Alfonso Bedoya said:
    Fuckin hell… you lot are something else.

    First game of the season…

    How about a bit of respect for Everton… they were fantastic… and bitching about our midfield not coping with Fellaini???… he is a big cunt. and 99% of the trouble he caused us, were headers won… when Everton hit the underside of the crossbar, it was from Fellaini beating Vidic in the air… so what makes any of you think, another midfielder would have coped?

    Fellaini is a decent player, but he’s not THAT good, which is why he’s stuck at Everton, and not Chelsea or City… he was outstanding tonight, and won them the game… but he won’t play like that every week… and Jagielka was also brilliant tonight…

    If Everton play like this all year, they’ll challenge for top 6 and give anyone a hard game at home.

    We lost 1-0 with a makeshift defence… I’m not happy, but there was more than enough to feel optimistic about the rest of the season… we are going to play a hell of a lot better than THAT… and THAT, wasn’t THAT bad…

    Everton won tonight and deserved it… that’s all.

    Alf

    Agree on the makeshit defence due to injuries. Hopefully this problem will go away.

    But the real problem I have is the lack of chances we created……our 2nd half was better and Everton were exhausted but still no real chances…

    Its early days of course but I definitely cant be too encouraged by that peformance….

  • http://twitter.com/dosdamt Ben Hulston

    Alf – I disagree. It was that bad – it was wasteful, it lacked dynamism, we didn’t really use Kagawa enough. It looked lazy and plodding, and most of all utterly disjointed.

    I still can’t really get over just how bad Nani actually was. Run abouty nonsense personified.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Commenter said:
    SAF still making bad team selections. Why start with Scholes? And if you are not going to play Rafael at right back, as I keep saying, we need also a right fullback.
    But if we have so many central defenders injured, then you change your tactics and play an attacking team to keep Everton on the defensive. Should have started with Rooney, Berbatov and Van Persie. Its only the first game but its the same old problems. The team will get better but can’t afford to drop points this early.

    Go back to sleep Herbie…

  • sidney

    Ben Hulston said:
    Alf – I disagree. It was that bad – it was wasteful, it lacked dynamism, we didn’t really use Kagawa enough. It looked lazy and plodding, and most of all utterly disjointed.

    I still can’t really get over just how bad Nani actually was. Run abouty nonsense personified.

    Nani looked like he’d been told he could leave if he wanted. Just wasn’t arsed.

  • http://twitter.com/dosdamt Ben Hulston

    I guess what is most disappointing is that – the same issues from last season, the same issues about effort, about getting a grip on the game, are there for all to see. Gibson and Phil Neville outworked our midfield, and we had no response. That’s the model to beat United.

    We really need to start belting into games, because I reckon if we start going a goal up against teams, we’ll take some apart on the break. Kagawa’s passing is sweet as.

  • sheesh

    I don’t like this style of play we have adopted where we pass the ball to death without purpose. We had something like 68% possession at one point in the first half. It’s all very well having the ball but if you don’t give their keeper anything to do, it’s all rather pointless.
    Defensively, we did about as well as could be expected but the defenders had little protection. De Gea singlehandedly kept us in the game in the first half.
    Scholes should never have played 90 mins. Rooney put in a performance that should have the manager giving serious consideration to make him fight for his place.
    We looked laboured at times.
    The one big positive was definitely Kagawa who looks an absolute star in the making. Million times better than any other player in a red shirt. Van Persie nearly created an assist for Kagawa.

  • Herbie Simms

    I’m not sleeping. On another website 90% of the United fans are caliing for Fergie to be SACKED! And most fans agree to what I’m saying. Why spend 24 million on another striker who is 29 years old when your problems are in midfield and defence. Its the reason why Chelsea bought two midfielders in Hazard and Oscar, because to be in control, midfielders are the key men. We also need a world class player for Rio Ferdinand. Evra is finished and Vidic with a knee problem will never be the same.
    BIG PROBLEMS down the road.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    FFS… it was the first game of the year…

    Arsenal were stifled at home by Sunderland… Liverpool were arse raped by fuckin West Brom… and City at home, were nearly done by Southhampton…

    We lost to a very good team, on their patch… 1-0… we weren’t very good, it’s true… but that’s all it was.
    Because it was the first game of the year, some of you are making way to much of this…

  • bman

    Kagawa seemed to have the makings of an excellent partnership with Rooney and even with Van Persie there at the end, although they were not on the pitch together long enough to say really. I think his style of play will fit in perfectly with us — he’s constantly looking to see if a pass is on, and constantly moving. I might even go so far as to say he combines Park’s brain and workrate with Nani’s technique. I’m pretty sure that if RVP stays fit that he, Rooney, and Kagawa are going to be devastating together.

    But without getting too mopey about the first game of the season, when we clearly look a bit patchwork and have a defensive injury crisis, I am still concerned. We’ve had slow starts before, and the side will undoubtedly start to play a lot lot better than this as the new players gel and guys like Vidic get back into the swing of things, but it’s clearly a problem when the deficiencies of our midfield have been exposed so dramatically in the very first match, by a team that’s a good team but not a top one. I just don’t see where the answer is going to come from in midfield. We know those players well by now, we know what they can and can’t do. If Carrick and Cleverly are in form and playing well, they’ll be good enough for 80-85% of teams, but we’re going to keep running up against teams that we just have no answer for. It’s not even about the raw quality of Carrick and Cleverly, because they’ve shown on occasions that they can be very good, it’s about having a bit of variability.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Commenter said:
    I’m not sleeping. On another website 90% of the United fans are caliing for Fergie to be SACKED! And most fans agree to what I’m saying. Why spend 24 million on another striker who is 29 years old when your problems are in midfield and defence. Its the reason why Chelsea bought two midfielders in Hazard and Oscar, because to be in control, midfielders are the key men. We also need a world class player for Rio Ferdinand. Evra is finished and Vidic with a knee problem will never be the same.
    BIG PROBLEMS down the road.

    Oh fuck off Herbie… the shit you come out with is embarrassing…

    Any fans, anywhere, of any team, who want to sack their manager after the first game, are fuckin morons who know NOTHING about football.

  • bman

    Alfonso Bedoya said:
    FFS… it was the first game of the year…

    Arsenal were stifled at home by Sunderland… Liverpool were arse raped by fuckin West Brom… and City at home, were nearly done by Southhampton…

    We lost to a very good team, on their patch… 1-0… we weren’t very good, it’s true… but that’s all it was.
    Because it was the first game of the year, some of you are making way to much of this…

    I think that’s true. But what worries me is that Everton proceeded with the exact same plan they used effectively against us last season, and we just had no answer for it. Our team can definitely play better than they did today, but we never even made Moyes switch to Plan B because we simply can’t do shit when a player like Fellaini or Yaya Toure gets up in our gearbox in the defensive-central midfield area. It’s like fucking kryptonite for us.

  • BiscuitBarrell

    Alfonso Bedoya said:
    FFS… it was the first game of the year…

    Arsenal were stifled at home by Sunderland… Liverpool were arse raped by fuckin West Brom… and City at home, were nearly done by Southhampton…

    We lost to a very good team, on their patch… 1-0… we weren’t very good, it’s true… but that’s all it was.
    Because it was the first game of the year, some of you are making way to much of this…

    True it is the first game of the season, and yes everton worked their socks off, like they always do…..But they aren’t going to be top 6 this year, they’ll be 7-9th like they always are, with moyes working miracles.

    I think everyone’s pissed off because – we’ve no cover at full back, the centre halfs are crocked (as they have been for 12months), we’re overrun in midfield, no-one to win the ball. All too predictable as many on this forum have been saying. Unless they change the rules promoting a 2-2-6 formation, our squad is hopelessly unbalanced (certainly in terms of where the real quality is).

    It wasn’t 2 years ago we were taking the piss out of Arsenal for being all possession and no end product. Now we’re getting 68% of the ball and not forcing a save. The system and style has become too predictable.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    bman said:
    Kagawa seemed to have the makings of an excellent partnership with Rooney and even with Van Persie there at the end, although they were not on the pitch together long enough to say really. I think his style of play will fit in perfectly with us — he’s constantly looking to see if a pass is on, and constantly moving. I might even go so far as to say he combines Park’s brain and workrate with Nani’s technique. I’m pretty sure that if RVP stays fit that he, Rooney, and Kagawa are going to be devastating together.

    But without getting too mopey about the first game of the season, when we clearly look a bit patchwork and have a defensive injury crisis, I am still concerned. We’ve had slow starts before, and the side will undoubtedly start to play a lot lot better than this as the new players gel and guys like Vidic get back into the swing of things, but it’s clearly a problem when the deficiencies of our midfield have been exposed so dramatically in the very first match, by a team that’s a good team but not a top one. I just don’t see where the answer is going to come from in midfield. We know those players well by now, we know what they can and can’t do. If Carrick and Cleverly are in form and playing well, they’ll be good enough for 80-85% of teams, but we’re going to keep running up against teams that we just have no answer for. It’s not even about the raw quality of Carrick and Cleverly, because they’ve shown on occasions that they can be very good, it’s about having a bit of variability.

    You see… that’s what I mean… the only reason we lost the midfield battle today, was because Fellaini won absolutely everything in the air… everything… he was awesome… and there aren’t many midfielders anywhere, under 6 foot that wood have coped better… he had a great game… Carrick may have faired better, but certainly Anderson wouldn’t.

    When we’ve got a proper back 4, I doubt Scholes will start much… I expect Carrick and Cleverly to be ahead of him… and I think they’ll do fine.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    BiscuitBarrell said:
    True it is the first game of the season, and yes everton worked their socks off, like they always do…..But they aren’t going to be top 6 this year, they’ll be 7-9th like they always are, with moyes working miracles.

    I think everyone’s pissed off because – we’ve no cover at full back, the centre halfs are crocked (as they have been for 12months), we’re overrun in midfield, no-one to win the ball. All too predictable as many on this forum have been saying. Unless they change the rules promoting a 2-2-6 formation, our squad is hopelessly unbalanced (certainly in terms of where the real quality is).

    It wasn’t 2 years ago we were taking the piss out of Arsenal for being all possession and no end product. Now we’re getting 68% of the ball and not forcing a save. The system and style has become too predictable.

    Oh come on, for fuck sake… how can we be predictable after one fuckin game?

    Don’t give me any shit about last year… this is a new season, with some very exciting new players…

    Fuck it… you all have a real good moan, about how fucked we are…

    Silly fuckers…

  • sheesh

    Anyway, where were we?

    Rooney is fat. Discuss

  • marlon

    Some big + today. De Gea was immense – kept us in it for a long time. Kagawa looked very promising, although not involved enough. The best for me though was no 442. I hope we stick to the 4231.
    I can see what Fergie was going for with the top 4 selection. They are all good at the short quick passing game (obviously not tonight) and in that being two-footed is important (why Valencia wasn’t started further up). While ball winning was obviously lacking (I think we didn’t win it once in the attacking third), Scholes and Cleverley were so unwilling to pass it through the middle. No point keeping the ball if you never getting into the box. We had four passes to players in the box and only one (from Kagawa) was made inside the box.
    For all the attacking prowess of the front 4, they just didn’t get it enough to have an impact, and when they did, it was always back to goal.
    Credit to Everton/Moyes – gameplan worked and they defended very well. I know no one will agree with me on this but Scholes/Cleverley was a ridiculously lightweight mid pair against a team who we knew would play like this. Anderson is our most physical midfielder and what’s more he might actually take a risk with his passes. Scholes is a brilliant passer, but there was no space in behind Everton tonight so he couldn’t play long balls and his short game was very conservative, particularly when chasing the game. Our game was a bit slow – a lot of the players in our formation thrive on playing a high tempo transitional game and I’m sure that’s what Fergie had in mind with the selection and formation. Not really sure why it didn’t happen (even before they scored and sat back).
    So we’ve taken a step in the right direction. Can’t really help it if 9 players don’t perform though. Some CBs might help too.
    Anyone notice Anderson’s shirt tonight (it read ‘Andesron’)

  • RobDiablo

    Very entertaining match, easily the best of the opening fixtures (although I enjoyed WBA v. ‘pool the most). I do think we saw why we don’t want to reduce the scope of his influence and impact by putting Kagawa out wide.

  • marlon

    In terms of ball winning – Cleverley (5) made the most tackles in the game, followed by Scholes (3). Kagawa played the only 2 accurate through balls in the game. Between Valencia, Rooney, RVP, Nani and Young we made 26 crosses – one reached their target. Rooney had the fewest touches of any Utd player who completed 90 mins.

  • sidney

    “Between Valencia, Rooney, RVP, Nani and Young we made 26 crosses – one reached their target. Rooney had the fewest touches of any Utd player who completed 90 mins.”

    Heh, that is proper shite

  • Tommy

    Obviously not getting too gloomy after the first game of the season, but that was just about as piss poor as it could’ve been.

  • DamnedUnited

    Seemed like no one wanted to pass the ball to Kagawa. Not even when he was in acres of space with time to turn towards the opposition goal.

    Instead, the team seemed pre-occupied with finding the wingers and pinging in random crosses. Even Scholes was guilty of doing this. This is the EXACT same way we closed last season and it seems no one has learned anything in pre-season. Out of 100 crosses, how many find a United player? Worse, every time a cross is cleared it has a good chance of switching possession to the opposite team. For a side built around wing-play over the last few years it sure isn’t able to have a good crossing game.

    And what’s the point of pinging in crosses unless it’s at the end of a fast counter-attack? It’s not like United have hulking towers waiting in the 6-yard box. I know it’s the first game of the season and all, but it’s like deja vu. Feels exactly like last season with the exception of Kagawa.

    I just hope the other players use him as an outlet more often rather than, say, Evra.

  • bman

    Alfonso Bedoya said:
    You see… that’s what I mean… the only reason we lost the midfield battle today, was because Fellaini won absolutely everything in the air… everything… he was awesome… and there aren’t many midfielders anywhere, under 6 foot that wood have coped better… he had a great game… Carrick may have faired better, but certainly Anderson wouldn’t.

    When we’ve got a proper back 4, I doubt Scholes will start much… I expect Carrick and Cleverly to be ahead of him… and I think they’ll do fine.

    I agree, but that’s what’s so alarming. If Carrick is not available to play in midfield (either because he’s injured, suspended, or in this case playing in defense), then Fergie basically has to choose between two of Scholes, Cleverly, and Anderson, or I suppose Giggs. It looks to me an awful lot like a midfield that the manager is just going to try to “get by with” over the course of the season, which is not what a club of United’s stature should be doing. Ah fuck it. I know I’m saying nothing new by pointing out the midfield’s a bit lightweight, and obviously this is just the first game after a fairly ropey preseason, but I think I’m just shocked by how second rate Scholesy in particular looked, and I’m usually one of the people defending him around here.

    Even if it meant buying nobody next summer, I’d like to see Fergie splash for a midfielder with something about them before the window closes. Even someone like Dembele, who definitely has a bit of presence even if he doesn’t seem especially defensive-minded to me. I’m excited about all of the signings we have made, so maybe I’m just being a greedy twat.

  • Joey Deacon

    Need good midfielder infielder
    now.

  • 19 and Counting

    TBH I’m not that surprised we lost given the circumstances right now. Everton away is always a tough fixture and with Carrick and AV having to play at the back, maybe it’s good that we only let one in. A bit depressing that we got beat by a team with 3 former United players who weren’t good enough apparently.

    I’m more concerned why Berbatov is still around and Chicharito was not even on the bench. Also, you have to wonder why our defenders are so injury-prone.

    Positives? DDG was class and Kaagawa looks very promising if he is played in the right position this season. Let’s see how the Fulham game goes and I’d expect a big win at OT on the weekend. IF SAF can fins the right formation and get RVP, Rooney and Kagawa to play together and IF AV can play in his natural position, and IF we can keep our defenders fit and IF Cleverley can develop intothe player people think he can become, then we will be fine. A lot of IFs though.

  • kramer

    that was about as tough a fixture as you can get for your first game of the season.
    our defenders just couldn’t handle fellaini. we need to figure out a way to do this though, we can’t have such an obvious weakness for teams to exploit.

  • kramer

    young was embarassing yet again. didn’t put a single decent cross in, kept shifting the ball back to his right foot, and overplayed a couple of balls to evra. just fucking embarassing.

  • Anantax

    Having slept on it, here is my slightly tweaked opinion: while I do admit to being a little bit melodramatic, and that a loss on the 1st game is not the end of the world, I still am concerned on last night’s display. My takeaways:

    - At the end, we got deservedly beaten by a side that’s at best a Top 6 side
    - we were lucky to only concede one. If it wasnt for DDG and the crossbar, the score would’ve been at least 3-0
    - we had 68% possessoon but the only real chance we had was the Cleverly shot.
    - Nani, Rooney, Evra, Wellbeck, Scholes were all poor or at best average

    I am optimistic we see a better showing on Saturday with RVP fully in thick of things. But if we cant realistically threaten to draw/win vs anyone outside the top 3, even on tough away games, then its hard to be optimistic of our title challenge

  • Dinkinflicker

    Kagawa reminded me a lot of David Silva in terms of playing style. I think we’ve got a real player on our hands there.

  • Damian Garside

    Reason to be cheerful (scraping the barrel to find it, but nevertheless: we (and by we I mean Fergue, you and I) now know that the team formation must be built around Kagawa and RvP playing in their best positions: the rest will have to fit in or f-off.
    Rooney seems to need inner therapy: his mind is not there and his body is out of shape and Nani, who may not have a mind to begin with, needs to figure put whether he wants to look back on a career where he used his skills and won trophies, or to end up a 35 ye old washed up derelict in Lisbon bar boring the patrons with a tragic tale of how he once played for Manchester United

  • Spudiator

    I didn’t see most of the game, so can’t really judge how good or poor our performance was (general mood seems to be the latter, I gather), but if nothing else, at least we can take some kind of mild amusement from our own dyslexic kit man:

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2191328/Anderson-Andesron-shirt-Manchester-United-Everton.html

  • Denton Davey

    Alfonso Bedoya: “How about a bit of respect for Everton… they were fantastic… and bitching about our midfield not coping with Fellaini???… he is a big cunt. and 99% of the trouble he caused us, were headers won… when Everton hit the underside of the crossbar, it was from Fellaini beating Vidic in the air… so what makes any of you think, another midfielder would have coped?”

    I usually disagree with you – and, of course, vice-versa – BUT this comment is spot-on.

    Apart from the goal ( ! ), Fellaini won his headers in midfield thirty/forty/fifty yards from goal. Fellaini is a bit of a freak – 6′ 6″ and very good in the air (how many players have that combination of physicality/skills ?) So, having Michael Carrick man-marking him wouldn’t really make any difference to the way Everton played the long ball from Tim Howard to Fellaini. The “problem” was that Pienaar and Osman were able to run on to his flicks and cut into the heart of UTD’s defense.

    The other issue in this match was UTD’s inability to cross the ball into the box – Jagielka and Distin had a very easy time of it. After scoring their goal, when Everton ‘turtled’ and allowed UTD to come on to them, this deficiency on the part of TheLads was even more pronounced. For all the criticism of the passing from Nani/Young/Evra/Valencia, there were really no target-men who created problems for Jagielka/Distin. in fact, UTD’s best chance – apart the one that Jagielka stopped from Cleverley – came as a result of playing in Welbeck’s diagonal run. DannyTheLad did very well to get a shot off as he was being pushed/shoved/held and was driven off-balance. Otherwise, Moyes’Men did a good job parking-the-bus and mocking UTD’s ability to break them down.

    All-in-all, a deserved three points for Everton.

    Finally, a word about the refereeing – the yellow card for Nani was ridiculous; Scholes was a lucky boy not to see two yellows; AND how did Fellaini escape any caution when he went into De Gee elbow-first. from the corner in the 15th minute ?

    37 matches to play – if it takes about 90 points to win the EPL then TheLads can only drop about twenty more.

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    we made no effort to stop their players launching it to fellaini and we had nobosy contesting the second ball once hed won the first, forget the amount of headers he won, how many times did he bring it down and lay it off unchallenged in our third, a fucking disgrace, who’s job was it to contest him scholes ffs, completely typically arrogant mish mash team from taggart assuming we’ll get through it regardless who he puts out

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    So who would you have put on Fellaini?

    Anderson???

  • sidney

    He didn’t need anybody special assigning to him, Alf. We don’t have a player who will grapple with someone like that anyway.

    But what you can do is crowd him out. Scholes and Clev sometimes got around him and, along with Carrick, crowded him out. But they didn’t do it often enough.

    Vidic should maybe have gone up against him because he can compete better, and get in the odd dig, the odd shove etc which all counts. But then Carrick ain’t quick enough to track the runners from the flick ons.

    Anyway, he’s just a decent big man FFS not Messi. If the forwards had turned up then Everton scoring wouldn’t have been that much of a problem, because we’d have smashed them at the other end. 26 crosses and only one found its man.

  • Bill

    A few points. Felliani has pretty dominated that game and won it off his own back. Against one of the top 10 sides in Europe. He clearly should be playing for a top four side. He is the type of player we are missing.
    Crosses are the most inaccurate way of retaining the ball, especially when the standard of cross is so poor like Nani and Evra delivered last night. Shorter balls into the middle like Valencia delivers are the way forward.
    We really to establish what system we are going to be play going forward. Everton had a gameplan, worked hard and stuck to it. Fellaini played the alpha male. United have a right winger at right back and centre mid at centre back which is not ideal.
    Moyes is almost certainly the third cab off the rank when Fergie retires. Mourinho first, Guardiola second. If neither are available Moyes could well be the next United boss. He would probably bring Fellaini with him.

  • Denton Davey

    Sidney @ 4:49: ” If the forwards had turned up then Everton scoring wouldn’t have been that much of a problem, because we’d have smashed them at the other end. 26 crosses and only one found its man.”

    A dreadful statistic to be sure – it could have been another 4-4 IF (and it’s a big “IF”) TheLads were up for it. But they weren’t and the reality was that Everton’s defence wasn’t really troubled whereas DDG save UTD’s bacon on several occasions.

    By the way, I’m with Alfonso Bedoya on the “man marking Fellaini” issue – the only time his heading ability was really-and-truly dangerous was on the corner when he out-jumped Carrick; otherwise, he was something of a transmission-man, moving the long-ball from Howard to his mates Pienaar and Osman and that resulted in two chances the first of which, fortunately, hit the bar and the other was saved by DDG.

  • RobDiablo

    Bill said:
    Moyes is almost certainly the third cab off the rank when Fergie retires. Mourinho first, Guardiola second. If neither are available Moyes could well be the next United boss. He would probably bring Fellaini with him.

    And maybe Neville and that Gibson fellow; they look like proper United CMs

    If you think that cheating Mourinho c*nt will come anywhere near United, you’re delusional. He’d want to replace everyone but Young—a diver, Rooney—not adverse to diving, Nani—got that rolling around on the floor with a broken ankle bit down pat*, and de Gea—a promising young keeper. The cost of Jose’s war chest would be exorbitant to the point that it would force the Glazers to sell so many MANU shares they’d be in danger of losing control of their cash cow. No, Moyes, a man who can keep a club in the top eight on a shoestring budget, is just the kind of manager Glazernomics dictates.

    *To be fair, Nani pretty much cut that crap out of his game last season, but I’d bet that, with the right encouragement, he could bring it back, no problem.

  • Denton Davey

    Everything isn’t doom-and-gloom:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/aug/21/manchester-city-daniele-de-rossi-roma

    As many of you know, this is the guy that I’d really, really, really hoped SAF would sign. BUT if UTD couldn’t have him then I’m damned-happy that the noisy neighbours didn’t get him.

  • bman

    Ed said:
    Spud – in the same vein United has an extensive scouting network. Each year head scout sends in a report with top five best players in each position in each country. So what do we do…. ooops
    http://www.goal.com/en-gb/news/2896/premier-league/2012/08/21/3321822/-?

    What’s the problem? The 3rd or 4th best left-back in Holland who’s still a young lad and improving, as our back-up? Sounds like a sensible enough buy to me.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    The problem is Ferguson spouting shit about him being the best young left back in Europe.

    • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk Ed

      Alf – Prob more honest to say: “He’s cheap cover, will only play 10-15 games in the FA and Carling Cups, and against some eastern European no-hopers in the Champions League. Let’s face it, Evra would have to get caught shagging my missus for me to drop him…”

      Not that we’d ever hear that.

      Still wondering why United paid double the fee Vitesse had agreed with Southampton before the guy’s agent stepped in asking for cash last month… oh no wait, I’ve got it now.

  • bman

    You are of course assuming that the agent in question had the last word. Maybe Fergie or someone else had a look at the lad and thought he looked good. Anyway, fourth or fifth best in as good a footballing nation at Holland seems perfectly respectable for a backup player, especially given how hard left backs are to come by.

  • Herbie Simms

    We now have another new player. SAF has bought another striker. His name is Angelo Henriquez, an 18 year old superstar from Chile. He was granted his work permit today, so there will be an official announement made tomorrow. We seem to be buying a lot of strikers. Henriquez is just as good as Van Persie, plays for Chile World Cup team. Rooney may find himself on the bench also.
    Could it be that Berbatov and Chicharito are being sold?
    Still waiting to hear more on this loan move for Kaka.
    Last report was Mourinho was still waiting on the final decision from SAF. Mourinho was the one who made the offer because they got Lucas Modric and also Mourinho is interested in the job when SAF retires. Now SAF said today that he is intersted in the loan move but he is concerned about Kaka’s fitness.

  • RobDiablo

    If I were SAF, I’d be just as worried about his “where does he fit-in-ness” and how much does he expect to get paid. I think he’d be a fool to help Real Madrid by taking Kaka’s wages off of their books.

  • http://www.visual-intrusion.com Robbo

    Commenter said:
    We now have another new player. SAF has bought another striker. His name is Angelo Henriquez, an 18 year old superstar from Chile. He was granted his work permit today, so there will be an official announement made tomorrow. We seem to be buying a lot of strikers. Henriquez is just as good as Van Persie, plays for Chile World Cup team. Rooney may find himself on the bench also.
    Could it be that Berbatov and Chicharito are being sold?
    Still waiting to hear more on this loan move for Kaka.
    Last report was Mourinho was still waiting on the final decision from SAF. Mourinho was the one who made the offer because they got Lucas Modric and also Mourinho is interested in the job when SAF retires. Now SAF said today that he is intersted in the loan move but he is concerned about Kaka’s fitness.

    Ah Herbie always great to read about the inner workings at Old Trafford from the man in the know.

  • http://twitter.com/dosdamt Ben Hulston

    Until Henriquez has scored the same number of premier league goals as Rooney, Chicha, Van Persie, and Welbeck, I think we can safely just say he is a “player with potential” rather than rattling on like he’s some kind of Wunderkind superstar

  • dozer

    So Fergie has now bought 4 strikers – Kagawa, RVP, Powell and Henriquez with Rooney, Hernandez, Welbeck, Berbatov, Macheda and Bebe already in the squad.

    That’s 9 strikers the United squad have for 2 positions.

  • marlon

    We’re playing 433 now. Competing for the front 3 positions we have RVP, Rooney, Hernandez, Welbeck, Nani, Valencia, Young. Berba will be sold. Macheda +Bebe will be sold or just used in the C Cup. Henriquez is young – unlikely to play many 1st team games this season. 7 players for 3 positions is pretty reasonable over a 50-60 game season.
    Also in the van Stijn (our dutch scout) quotes were his comments rating Buttner over Willems. Obviously third/fourth in dutch league isn’t ideal but probably hard to convince a guy like Pieters to come and risk his place in the dutch team by coming and sitting on our bench.

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    we don’t play 433, that was 442

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    RobDiablo said:
    If I were SAF, I’d be just as worried about his “where does he fit-in-ness” and how much does he expect to get paid. I think he’d be a fool to help Real Madrid by taking Kaka’s wages off of their books.

    Why are you paying attention to anything Herbie says?

    He’s spouting complete bollocks… regurgitated nonsense from a bogus twitter rumour, and then trying to pass it off, as a “Herbie exclusive”, cause he’s got “inside” knowledge.

    The Kaka story is bullshit.

  • RobDiablo

    Alfonso Bedoya said:
    Why are you paying attention to anything Herbie says?

    It’s not just Herbie. I usually check the On the Move blog on Soccernet, where they have posted the rumor but without any “take it with a grain of salt” caveats that usually accompany totally bogus stories. I thought it sounded just like RM: offer United a gift that would benefit only RM and laugh themselves silly if Sir Alex was stupid enough to accept it. If Jose were really trying to curry favor with his future employers (god forbid), he’d offer Sahin or someone else we could really use… like Benzema or Higuain; United do look short of numbers up front.

  • marlon

    They may have offered him but I think Mourinho has recently stated that there have been no (official) offers for Kaka.