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Preview: Swansea City v United

Ed December 22, 2012 Tags: , Matches 112 comments

In the week Premier League chairman voted through proposals to curb excessive spending, there is some prescience in Manchester United’s trip to face Swansea City this week. The Welsh club is, after all, a model in sustainable and organic growth. No little surprise that Manchester City was one of only two clubs to vote against the proposals – Mohammed Al Fayed’s Fulham being the other. But also much to laud in Swansea’s model – part-owned by the fans and largely debt-free.

Yet, at the beginning of another busy Christmas programme there will be little charity from United on Sunday, with the opportunity to create a decisive advantage in the Premier League over the next four matches. United faces the Swans, followed by fixtures against Newcastle United, West Bromwich Albion and Wigan Athletic. A quartet of tough fixtures, for sure, but each that Sir Alex Ferguson believes winnable all the same.

Still, with Swansea better off in points terms than at the same stage last season, Michael Laudrup’s outfit has consolidated superbly in the top division. Indeed, while the side’s tiki-taka sensibility has become a modicum more pragmatic, Laudrup’s outfit still plays some of the best football in England’s top division.

Little wonder Sir Alex Ferguson holds much admiration for the 100-year-old club, although the septuagenarian may bristle at talk of fan ownership and financial stability.

“You’ve seen the results they have had and the progress they have made as a football club over the last years,” said the United manager, who turns 71 on New Year’s Eve. “The important thing for me is they try to play and have the courage to play their football, which is good.”

United begin the Christmas period in fine health, with only Brazilian Rafael da Silva, Nani and Shinji Kagawa likely to miss Sunday’s fixture. However, captain Nemanja Vidić is fit enough to make the bench after suffering no adverse reaction to a substitute appearance last weekend. Jonny Evans and Rio Ferdinand will again pair up in central defence, and Phil Jones will continue at right-back.

Swansea City v Manchester United - Premier League, Liberty Stadium - Sunday 23 December 1.30pmElsewhere, Ferguson is likely to rotate his squad through four fixtures in nine days. Paul Scholes, Ryan Giggs, Michael Carrick and Tom Cleverley will all feature in midfield over the next week, with similar rotation likely in forward positions too.

“At this time of year, all the games are challenges and they come thick and fast now,” adds Ferguson.

“Utilising the squad is important, as is picking the right team, but hopefully we can get through it and be in the same position as we are now.”

“Jonny has had one or two injuries but hopefully they’re behind him now. He’s fit for Sunday. Vida is doing great in training, it’s just a matter of picking the time to bring him back. It gives me options with Smalling, Jones, Ferdinand, Evans. Rafa won’t make Sunday’s game as he’s still out with a hamstring. Nani is still injured. Apart from those players, we’re all right.”

Meanwhile, the hosts welcome back goalkeeper Michel Vorm, who returns after a two-month layoff with a groin injury. Pablo Hernandez is available, but right-back Angel Rangel is again missing.

Whatever the result on Sunday, Swansea’s campaign has suffered nothing for a change of manager last summer. After all, Laudrup is now an experienced campaigner across three countries, although one that rarely seems to stay at an employer for any length of time.

Still, Laudrup can be proud both of the campaign and Swansea’s ability to buck any potential ‘second season syndrome’.

“We are coming up to the halfway point of the season and whatever happens between now and then, we will have 23 points on the board,” said the former Denmark international.

“That is three more than at the same stage last season, and we can then look back at what we have achieved and see what targets we can set for the remainder of the season. But the next six or seven weeks are crucial for us.“Of course we would like to win on Sunday, but if we do then there will be a lot of focus on the club again.

Meanwhile, title rivals City play matches against Sunderland, Norwich City and Stoke City in the same period, after fortunately beating Reading 1-0 on Saturday. In common with Ferguson’s outfit, City will be seeking maximum points from middle-ranked opposition, although games on the road in Norfolk and the north east will test Roberto Mancini’s men.

No team has managed to win all it’s matches in December since Chelsea in 2004/5. Should Ferguson’s team achieve it the Premier League title will be one step closer. Yet, few in the Scot’s camp will doubt that United faces the sternest of tests away at Swansea on Sunday.

Match Details
Swansea City v Manchester United – Premier League, Liberty Stadium – Sunday 23 December 2012, 1.30pm

Possible teams
Swansea (4-3-3): Vorm; Chico, Williams, Tiendalli, Davies; Dyer, Britton, Ki Sung-Yeung; Routledge, Michu, De Guzman; Subs from: Tremmel, Cornell, Monk, Agustien, Richards, Graham, Shechter, Moore

United (4-2-3-1): De Gea; Rafael, Evans, Ferdinand, Evra; Carrick, Scholes; Valencia, Rooney, Young; van Persie. Subs from: Lindegaard, Wootton, Vidić, Smalling, Buttner, Fletcher, Cleverley, Powell, Giggs, Hernandez, Welbeck

Officials
Referee: M Oliver
Assistants: S Ledger; S Bennett
Fourth official: L Probert

Form
Swansea: DWWLWL
United: WWWLWW

Head to Head
Last 10: Swansea 2, United 6, Draw 2
Overall: Swansea 6, United 8, Draw 4

Stats

  • Michu remains joint top scorer in the league this season despite not finding the net against Tottenham last weekend – the Spaniard has garnered a goal once every 129 minutes or once every 4 shots;
  • Teenager defender Ben Davies has quietly emerged as a dominant force in the Swansea defence this season, achieving an 80 per cent tackle success rate from 35 challenges, conceding only 7 fouls;
  • Wayne Routledge is the second highest ranked English midfielder in the league for combined goals and assists with eight according to the EA SPORTS Player Performance Index;
  • Jonathan de Guzman has contributed the highest total completed passes in the Swansea squad with 366, also providing 24 crosses and four assists;
  • Ashley Williams has intercepted the ball 102 times this season, as well as providing 22 blocks;
  • Meanwhile for United Robin van Persie continues to settle into the side, registering six assists this season and a goal every 123 minutes this season;
  • No striker in the Premier League has completed more passes in the opponent’s half than Wayne Rooney this season, who has recorded 371;
  • Tom Cleverley has emerged as a midfielder of real quality this season, with the youngster succeeding in 68 per cent of his 22 challenges, as well as completing 240 passes in the opponent’s half;
  • Javier Hernández boasts an excellent shots to goal ratio of three to one despite few chances in the first team this season;
  • Few wingers deliver as consistently as Antonio Valencia, despite some shaky performances recently – the Ecuadorian has made more crosses, with 37, than anybody else in the United side.

Prediction
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112 comments

Denton Davey - December 22, 2012 Reply

“United faces the Swans, followed by fixtures against Newcastle United, West Bromwich Albion and Wigan Athletic. A quartet of tough fixtures, for sure”

Yeah, right.

UTD couldn’t get a much easier run of matches for the Xmas/New Year’s fixtures.

sidney - December 23, 2012 Reply

The 11 could be a horrorshow, depends how much Fergie tinkers
May god have mercy

red - December 23, 2012 Reply

United (4-2-3-1): De Gea; Rafael, Evans, Ferdinand, Evra; Carrick, Scholes; Valencia, Rooney, Young; van Persie. Subs from: Lindegaard, Wootton, Vidić, Smalling, Buttner, Fletcher, Cleverley, Powell, Giggs, Hernandez, Welbeck

Come on “Ed” Rafael in the first 11?

Rafa won’t make Sunday’s game as he’s still out with a hamstring.

Surely that is Jones. Tomorrows game should be a good game for us. Looking forward to see Kagawa back in the next few games, him and Cleverley should be operating behind Wazza & Van Persie.

Come on United!

Jesus - December 23, 2012 Reply

Rafael is mentioned as being injured however you’ve included him in the predicted starting 11.. do you know something we don’t?

Damian Garside - December 23, 2012 Reply

Carrick and Scholes in midfield? Then we lose.

Alec Sverguson - December 23, 2012 Reply

Always love some good stats – wasn’t aware of Rooney completing the most passes in the opposing half or Valencia banging in the most crosses for us. Thanks Ed! Should be an exciting match today. I’m hoping it’ll give the papers something else to write about other than the countless articles about Ronaldo that just make me miss him more and more. It’s like if your ex girlfriend suddenly became a pin-up model and you can’t escape the sight of her to let your heart heal.

Damian Garside - December 23, 2012 Reply

If he picks Carrick and Scholes in midfield, then his brains have turned to jam. If Giggs and Scholes then the jam has gone mouldy

brianofnazareth - December 23, 2012 Reply

This is definitely a banana skin of a game….

Jim - December 23, 2012 Reply

Anderson’s not mentioned as one of the injured players, nor is he listed in the possible squad. What’s the latest on him?

han - December 23, 2012 Reply

can’t get out the revolving doors at burger king in urmston

han - December 23, 2012 Reply

i see the game is not on radio 5 today either
bollox it’s on talk shite with collytwat & co
ffs unc, did your invitation to watch it on sky with u and aunty get held up in the xmas post?

Ichiro - December 23, 2012 Reply

Vidic starts alongside Evans, Cleverley and Carrick in midfield.

han - December 23, 2012 Reply

is that confirmed or wishful thinking?

Ichiro - December 23, 2012 Reply

Sky Sports News

Alfonso Bedoya - December 23, 2012 Reply

Ichiro said:
Vidic starts alongside Evans, Cleverley and Carrick in midfield.

That’ll do me.

han - December 23, 2012 Reply

Ichiro said:
Sky Sports News

thx

Anantax - December 23, 2012 Reply

We’re overdue handing the other side a beating really….Wishful thinking I know but I am speculating for a 4-1 win

sidney - December 23, 2012 Reply

He’s put a first team out, well in

This is by far the hardest game out of the 3

Alfonso Bedoya - December 23, 2012 Reply

Sopcast 6816… good stream

madredmonkey - December 23, 2012 Reply

come on United, need a good result today, welcome back Vidic.

madredmonkey - December 23, 2012 Reply

Evra goal.

sidney - December 23, 2012 Reply

Is that Evra’s third headed goal this season

The move before that was class, Rooney created the space and Young ran into it

Anantax - December 23, 2012 Reply

Good goal. We were looking bit nervy before. Hope we’ll settle better now…

sidney - December 23, 2012 Reply

Our midfield is actually dominating at times. Carrick has room in the centre circle because they’re sitting deep.

Our high line is gonna leak a goal soon though. Michu is too quick for our centrebacks. Vidic looks sluggish.

Alfonso Bedoya - December 23, 2012 Reply

Like the way we’re pressing here… Swansea can’t get their passing game going.

madredmonkey - December 23, 2012 Reply

sidney said:
Our midfield is actually dominating at times. Carrick has room in the centre circle because they’re sitting deep.

Our high line is gonna leak a goal soon though. Michu is too quick for our centrebacks. Vidic looks sluggish.

It will take Vidic a few games to get up to the pace of these games.

bman - December 23, 2012 Reply

Poor defending by us for the goal there. Is Smalling injured — he’s not even on the bench? Would much rather see him in right back than Jones.

Minus The Bear - December 23, 2012 Reply

Fergie will be pissed that Van Persie was fouled by Chico, got fuck all, they went down the pitch and scored.

Anantax - December 23, 2012 Reply

Poor defending and average goalkeeping….

Alfonso Bedoya - December 23, 2012 Reply

Valencia’s seen plenty of the ball, and done fuck all with it.

Minus The Bear - December 23, 2012 Reply

Need a bollocking, too casual after going one nil up.

bman - December 23, 2012 Reply

A lot of our players don’t look their usual selves, Rooney and Tony V for example.

sidney - December 23, 2012 Reply

Why are we hoofing it

han - December 23, 2012 Reply

hairdryer should sort that out

Alfonso Bedoya - December 23, 2012 Reply

Alfonso Bedoya said:
Like the way we’re pressing here… Swansea can’t get their passing game going.

Complete reverse since they scored.

sidney - December 23, 2012 Reply

That’s a foul on Van Persie before their goal

Ref is being shit

Minus The Bear - December 23, 2012 Reply

What happened to Valencia and who is this replacement whose special skill is pretending to be a statue?

bman - December 23, 2012 Reply

I think Ferg will put Scholes and Welbeck on for Cleverley and Jones, and he might even try to get Hernandez on too.

sidney - December 23, 2012 Reply

There are more goals here

We’re playing a lot of football in their penalty area

brianofnazareth - December 23, 2012 Reply

Please can someone explain what the fuck Valencia is doing playing for us?

This game is calling for Scholes. Rooney needs to up his game the cunt!

Was I right in hearing the commentator say that Evans had signed a new contract?? FFS

han - December 23, 2012 Reply

brianofnazareth said:
Please can someone explain what the fuck Valencia is doing playing for us?

This game is calling for Scholes. Rooney needs to up his game the cunt!

Was I right in hearing the commentator say that Evans had signed a new contract?? FFS

signed 2 days ago
keep up u cunt
scholes will get murdered if he comes on

Anantax - December 23, 2012 Reply

Rooney is off…valencia has yet to recapture last season form, vidix sluggish, young is also averag

Need to step it up….

sheesh - December 23, 2012 Reply

Too much fannying about with the ball. We need to move the ball more quickly. Another Cleverley performance I’ve not been overly impressed with. He needs to get into the game.

Alfonso Bedoya - December 23, 2012 Reply

bman said:
I think Ferg will put Scholes and Welbeck on for Cleverley and Jones, and he might even try to get Hernandez on too.

The way Swansea are pressing us now, putting Scholes on would be a gift.

dozer - December 23, 2012 Reply

Young and Rooney ought to be taken off.

bman - December 23, 2012 Reply

Did RVP drive over the ref’s dog on the way to the match today?

bman - December 23, 2012 Reply

We are playing like shit — SAF needs to ring the changes.

Anantax - December 23, 2012 Reply

Our defending is really casual…

brianofnazareth - December 23, 2012 Reply

I’m going to give £5 to charity every time Valencia touches the ball with his left foot.

bman - December 23, 2012 Reply

We are REALLY REALLY SHIT

sidney - December 23, 2012 Reply

The forwards are being shit, none more so than Rooney

They’re getting in some great positions, one on ones, and they’re shanking em

han - December 23, 2012 Reply

time for the pea

bman - December 23, 2012 Reply

Get Rooney fucking off

sidney - December 23, 2012 Reply

Rooney is an abomination, he will give the ball away and they will score

madredmonkey - December 23, 2012 Reply

Come on United.

brianofnazareth - December 23, 2012 Reply

The premier league must be shite for us to be top! Madrid are going to arse rape us!

brianofnazareth - December 23, 2012 Reply

Rooney’s heads gone. Get him off!

Alfonso Bedoya - December 23, 2012 Reply

bman said:
Get Rooney fucking off

Aye, this is the worst I’ve seen from him for quite a while… still, I bet he scores the winner.

Anantax - December 23, 2012 Reply

At least we’re knocking……

sidney - December 23, 2012 Reply

Swansea are a bit knackered now, and they’re scared of a United late winner

Alfonso Bedoya - December 23, 2012 Reply

Oh great… here comes Giggs… now I feel confident.

han - December 23, 2012 Reply

time for scholes to come on not giggs

sidney - December 23, 2012 Reply

That shit pass the worst thing Rooney has ever done in a United shirt

sidney - December 23, 2012 Reply

Thank fuck he is off, he was going to cost us

bman - December 23, 2012 Reply

The refereeing has been a shambles. So far Carrick, Evans, and RVP have been our only good players.

han - December 23, 2012 Reply

rvp must have slept with the ref’s mrs…how did he get booked for that?

Redzebs - December 23, 2012 Reply

Gigs needed to come on instead of Scholes to play on the left instead of Rooney, there was no one else bar Welbeck on the bench who is shite wide, Evras defending has been that bad we could have fucked him up on the Wong and brought Buttner on, refs been a tool f sake. What has happened to Tony V?

I don’t mind Giggs wide for 20 mins, just not in the middle, at least he can cross the fucking thing from the left.

Redzebs - December 23, 2012 Reply

What is the point of Scholes for 5 minutes?

Carrack and Cleverly haven’t even been nearly the worst players on the pitch,

Throw the old boys on and hope, I thought we were past that.

Anantax - December 23, 2012 Reply

Giggs has actually been good…

Minus The Bear - December 23, 2012 Reply

Overall a point at the Liberty Stadium isn’t the worse result ever, we were much better in defence after half time. Although in context it’s two points dropped and made even worse by City scabbing a win against Reading.

Rooney and Valencia were diabolical. Bad weekend for us.

bman - December 23, 2012 Reply

Well that was shit. Fergie took far too long to make his substitutions.

sidney - December 23, 2012 Reply

Rooney had the chance to win it, he just had to make a short 3 yard pass. But he didn’t put enough on it – something he’s often guilty of
The cunt must have wanted Boxing Day/New Year off because there’s no way he can play now – not after that show. He has to be dropped.

Anantax - December 23, 2012 Reply

Rooney was horrible horrible

Clev Carrick was good

Dfence looked solid in 2nd half, but was culpable for the goal

Val and young were missing, as is the norm this season…

han - December 23, 2012 Reply

can’t be too pissed off with that result but should have been better performance wise
rvp can’t do it all himself and needed support
vidic coming back is great but looked pretty rusty tbf on him
rooney needs to lie down and reflect
tony v will come good no worries

Anantax - December 23, 2012 Reply

Oh and the ref was horrid..simply horrid. If he was my employee he’d be sacked immediately…

han - December 23, 2012 Reply

Anantax said:
Giggs has actually been good…
whisper that in here

sidney said:
Rooney had the chance to win it, he just had to make a short 3 yard pass. But he didn’t put enough on it – something he’s often guilty of
The cunt must have wanted Boxing Day/New Year off because there’s no way he can play now – not after that show. He has to be dropped.

but don’t start with the pea
welbeck might get the nod

madredmonkey - December 23, 2012 Reply

1-1 away at Swansea is not the worst result,many sides will drop points at there ground.

Anantax - December 23, 2012 Reply

But agree that draw away at swansea is not a bad result. Its just an awful shame because we should have won it. They looked threatening maybe twice the whole match…..and they scored 1. We looked threatening like 6-7 times and only got one and hit the woodwork twice…

sidney - December 23, 2012 Reply

Minus The Bear said:
Overall a point at the Liberty Stadium isn’t the worse result ever, we were much better in defence after half time. Although in context it’s two points dropped and made even worse by City scabbing a win against Reading.

Rooney and Valencia were diabolical. Bad weekend for us.

Aye, a point away at Swansea isn’t a terrible result. But it’s gutting because on the day Swansea were there for taking.

At least the midfield was good. Michu didn’t get a sniff second half despite having the beating of our centrebacks because Swansea couldn’t get the ball to him with any regularity. Possession killed off that threat. Carrick was ace.

Minus The Bear - December 23, 2012 Reply

Giggs was good. Although he only had to play better than the passenger that was Wayne Rooney. Actually scrap that, passenger implies that he wasn’t contributing, he was worse than a passenger.

han - December 23, 2012 Reply

aye
but we have played like pussies all season according to most and still 4 points ahead
i just don’t think we like leading the pack
prefer it when we are chasing for some absurd reasoning

han - December 23, 2012 Reply

oh and brian
sorry for calling you a cunt earlier

Minus The Bear - December 23, 2012 Reply

Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson: “We absolutely battered them and we are very unlucky. It really should have been a foul for us in the build-up to their goal. It was just one of those games, he is a young referee, but really, what a performance.

“It should have been six point gap today and that is the disappointment. Vidic did not have much to do but what he did do he did well.

“Robin van Persie is lucky to be alive. It was a disgraceful act from their player today and he should be banned by the FA. Robin could have had a broken neck.”

Ferguson is a happy man then.

Anantax - December 23, 2012 Reply

Minus The Bear said:
Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson: “We absolutely battered them and we are very unlucky. It really should have been a foul for us in the build-up to their goal. It was just one of those games, he is a young referee, but really, what a performance.

“It should have been six point gap today and that is the disappointment. Vidic did not have much to do but what he did do he did well.

“Robin van Persie is lucky to be alive. It was a disgraceful act from their player today and he should be banned by the FA. Robin could have had a broken neck.”

Ferguson is a happy man then.

I agree. Ref was horrid. Not only for being Horribily inconsistent on the 50/50 fouls, but how the heck did RVP get a yellow for that….! It was either a straight red for Ashley Williams or a nothing for both….thats the definition of dangerous play…

RobDiablo - December 23, 2012 Reply

Minus The Bear said:
Giggs was good. Although he only had to play better than the passenger that was Wayne Rooney. Actually scrap that, passenger implies that he wasn’t contributing, he was worse than a passenger.

I think the word you were searching for is “saboteur”.

han - December 23, 2012 Reply

Minus The Bear said:
Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson: “We absolutely battered them and we are very unlucky. It really should have been a foul for us in the build-up to their goal. It was just one of those games, he is a young referee, but really, what a performance.

“It should have been six point gap today and that is the disappointment. Vidic did not have much to do but what he did do he did well.

“Robin van Persie is lucky to be alive. It was a disgraceful act from their player today and he should be banned by the FA. Robin could have had a broken neck.”

Ferguson is a happy man then.

looks like saf will be hauled over the coals by the fa instead of williams

sidney - December 23, 2012 Reply

Minus The Bear said:
Manchester United manager Sir Alex Ferguson: “We absolutely battered them and we are very unlucky. It really should have been a foul for us in the build-up to their goal. It was just one of those games, he is a young referee, but really, what a performance.
“It should have been six point gap today and that is the disappointment. Vidic did not have much to do but what he did do he did well.
“Robin van Persie is lucky to be alive. It was a disgraceful act from their player today and he should be banned by the FA. Robin could have had a broken neck.”
Ferguson is a happy man then.

To be fair though, there wasn’t a lot wrong with our play today – formation wise, tactic wise, possession wise etc. The only thing we did wrong was not score more than one goal. Individuals were shit, but even so, we should have won.

Anantax - December 23, 2012 Reply

sidney said:
To be fair though, there wasn’t a lot wrong with our play today – formation wise, tactic wise, possession wise etc. The only thing we did wrong was not score more than one goal. Individuals were shit, but even so, we should have won.

Thats the 2nd thing we did wrong. The 1st thing was letting in a goal!!

sheesh - December 23, 2012 Reply

We put out a strong side but it really took the arrival of giggs to give us a sniff of doing anything offensively. We were poor up front. Rooney will rarely play as poorly as that again. A draw at Swansea’s place isn’t what I would normally consider to be a bad result but we should have got more from the game. City need to start dropping points, as do Chelsea. Still annoyed that City beat reading yesterday.

han - December 23, 2012 Reply

sheesh said:
We put out a strong side but it really took the arrival of giggs to give us a sniff of doing anything offensively. We were poor up front. Rooney will rarely play as poorly as that again. A draw at Swansea’s place isn’t what I would normally consider to be a bad result but we should have got more from the game. City need to start dropping points, as do Chelsea. Still annoyed that City beat reading yesterday.

i’m still recovering from last season to be annoyed about yesterday

Denton Davey - December 23, 2012 Reply

Sidney @ 3:42: “The forwards are being shit, none more so than Rooney”

Yep, TheWayneBoy is a strange player – incredibly inconsistent. Today he must have given the ball away a dozen times and his passing was awful too. Still, I wouldn’t have taken him off – he has more capacity for being “inconsistently good” than AshleyBloodyYoung who had two point-blank chances and……

brianofnazareth - December 23, 2012 Reply

han said:
oh and brian
sorry for calling you a cunt earlier

Prove it…..

marlon - December 23, 2012 Reply

We were really unlucky in the end. Dominated possession and created better chances. Can’t remember the last time we attacked more down the left than the right. I seem to remember when we were comparing Nani to Valencia, one of Nani’s biggest faults was how bad he was when he was off form – Valencia didn’t get a cross on target and I don’t think he made one forward pass in their half all game. Don’t know why we didn’t bring Welbeck on – so many of our moves were breaking down with short passes in the final 3rd – his speciality.

We were pretty much playing a 4141 today – clearly a good formation for Carrick. Individual mistakes and a bit of bad luck cost us a win in what was actually a good performance by the team (as a unit).

Calvino - December 23, 2012 Reply

We were excellent today. Absolutely battered them in the second half and I have no idea how they held on. It was even more remarkable when you bear in mind that we played with 9 men – Rooney and Valencia (again) were diabolical. Why was it Giggs that came on instead of Welbeck? That puzzled me. What exactly are the football reasons for sending Paul Scholes on to a football pitch for a first team game these days?!!

We won there last season and still lost the league while City lost there. Am not even sad at all. We were really good so that makes me happy. Rooney will not play this badly again for the rest of the season. Saw signs very early in the first half when he could not send a simple pass to Young that caused me concern.

han - December 23, 2012 Reply

brianofnazareth said:
Prove it…..

just be gracious and accept the apology

Damian Garside - December 23, 2012 Reply

Sorry, but we’ll take the draw, we are happy with the draw isn’t the talk of champions. Where did you hear General Patton say “we’ll take the draw”?

han - December 23, 2012 Reply

aye
shame berbatov has gone as that’s one less to slag off

bman - December 23, 2012 Reply

Rooney looked hungover, or else he thought he was playing for England because he was in a foreign country. Carrick was our best player by a mile. Evans and RVP were also very good, but RVP was stymied by poor officiating and even worse service from Rooney and the wings. Hernandez helped change the game big-time when he came on; we bossed them from that point on because their defenders sat deep out of fear of the Pea’s pace, which pulled their whole side back. Giggs was excellent when he came on — he’s still very effective in an attacking-creative role, Fergie just needs to not play him in the middle of the pitch. When Rooney, Valencia, and Young are all playing so poorly, what’s poor old Welbeck got to do to get a game? Also, Jones did not look like he had the skills expected of a United player.

han - December 23, 2012 Reply

rent boys arse raped villa big time this afternoon
how many renters want fat fuck out now?

Denton Davey - December 23, 2012 Reply

Calvino @ 6:09: “Why was it Giggs that came on instead of Welbeck? That puzzled me”

Be fair – he wasn’t diabolical today

“What exactly are the football reasons for sending Paul Scholes on to a football pitch for a first team game these days?!!”

To “control” the match – and get a needless yellow card.

Denton Davey - December 23, 2012 Reply

bman @ 6:46: “Rooney looked hungover, or else he thought he was playing for England because he was in a foreign country.”

Either or both of those “reasons” sound compelling. TheWayneBoy was just awful.

But, like I wrote earlier – “I wouldn’t have taken him off – he has more capacity for being “inconsistently good” than AshleyBloodyYoung who had two point-blank chances and……” Seeing the match-highlights again on the telly, it seems that AshleyBloodyYoung missed THREE point-blank chances, not two.

sheesh - December 23, 2012 Reply

Hopefully that Chelsea score (vs Villa) will have given our attacking players a kick up the arse in terms of reminding them to be more clinical in front of goal.

Anantax - December 24, 2012 Reply

I think SAF was roght in bringing Rooney off..i agree that he is always capable of greatness any second, but he needed to be taken off for two reasons:

1) to give him a kick up his arse…if you dont perform you’ll get taken off
2) as someone in this thread mentioned, he was unintentionally a saboteur tonight…all promising things he then gave away or destroyed..

Jones put in a couple of good crosses, but there was nobody there to greet them….is it Young’s responsibility?

Anantax - December 24, 2012 Reply

Calvino said:
Why was it Giggs that came on instead of Welbeck?

Tbf Giggs was excellent in his cameo. He was at the heart of some of our most incisive moves and created several chances..

Damian Garside - December 24, 2012 Reply

What I hate is that we are shifting from a club and team where everything said “Champions” to one where everything says “false hopes”. Once upon a time a 6pt lead to us in December meant it was all over bar the shouting and the 6 would be stretched to 9 in Jan, 12 in Feb and we would be unassailable

dozer - December 24, 2012 Reply

Anantax said:
I think SAF was roght in bringing Rooney off..i agree that he is always capable of greatness any second, but he needed to be taken off for two reasons:

1) to give him a kick up his arse…if you dont perform you’ll get taken off
2) as someone in this thread mentioned, he was unintentionally a saboteur tonight…all promising things he then gave away or destroyed..

Jones put in a couple of good crosses, but there was nobody there to greet them….is it Young’s responsibility?

He brought him off after 75 minutes – 30 minutes too late.

han - December 24, 2012 Reply

Commenter said:
What I hate is that we are shifting from a club and team where everything said “Champions” to one where everything says “false hopes”. Once upon a time a 6pt lead to us in December meant it was all over bar the shouting and the 6 would be stretched to 9 in Jan, 12 in Feb and we would be unassailable

once upon a time in a land far far away….lol

uncleknobheadforfucksake - December 24, 2012 Reply

when does valencia get said kick up the arse, this is a long running embarrassment,

gabagool - December 24, 2012 Reply

What the feck has happened to Valencia? He literally stood still every time he got the ball. His confidence must be shot… needs to get his shit together or fack off

uncleknobheadforfucksake - December 24, 2012 Reply

hes just not a very good player, young too

uncleknobheadforfucksake - December 24, 2012 Reply

giggs was fucking great when he came on tbf

Alec Sverguson - December 24, 2012 Reply

Fergie’s post-match comments regarding “he nearly killed him” seem to have worked a treat – absolutely nobody aside from us are talking about how shite Rooney was and that we dropped points. At least it was an entertaining match!

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