United Rant Live: City v United!

On Sunday, Rant Cast regulars Ed & Paul will be live blogging the FA Cup third round tie with Manchester City at Eastlands. It’s the first time we have done this on United Rant. Join in on the comments section below, email or Tweet Paul – @UtdRantCast and Ed – @unitedrant.

It all kicks off at Eastlands Sunday, 8 January 2012, 1pm GMT. We’ll be with you around 30 minutes before the whistle!

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  1. DeadRevel says

    2 Parks? 1 is too much at the moment. Was it a typo or a joke? Nani has got to play anyway.

    ———-Lindegaard
    Rafael—Jones—Rio—-Evra
    Valencia-Carrick-Anderson-Nani
    —————-Rooney
    ———-Welbeck

    subs: De Gea, Fryers, Giggs, Pogba, Park, Berba, Chich

    4-4-1-1 so weaker in midfield but if City don’t have Barry or the Toures it might be ok. Time we played our strongest hand. But I wouldn’t be surprised to see Park on the left wing, with Nani/Valencia on the right and using Welbeck’s (limited) left sided ability to provide attacking threat in lieu of a proper left winger. Giggs in for Anderson might be more of a ‘Fergie selection’ too.
    First time I’ve gone into a United game predicting a defeat since I can remember.

  2. Matthew Riley says

    What a shite team for Manchester United and all there record turnovers injuries or no injuries that squad of players is poor irrespective if we manage to win tomorrow,absolute disgrace .What happened to the United of old smashing the british transfer record every couple of seasons bringing the odd gem .The current younger players can’t be expected to learn there trade with that load of crap.

    DeadRevel Park should of been dropped by now especially after his performances against Crystal Palace if he is playing we will lose for sure.Paul Pogba has to start see what the lad is made off.

    • DeadRevel says

      He has been awful recently but with the amount of injuries I would be surprised if he wasn’t at least on the bench. Thought Pogba wasnt great in his last outing. I’d rather see Morrison – he was our best player by far against Palace and alongside Carrick could be a good contrast in c. midfield.

  3. Luke says

    Does anyone have a spare for our end tomorrow? I head back to Australia next week im despo to see the reds WIN before I go! X

  4. RedDevilInArizona says

    On the assumption that Smalling and Evans will not be available – I know that SAF has said they are still injured but you never know.
    —————–Lindegaard
    —Rafael—– Jones—– Rio—– Evra
    ——Carrick—-Rooney—- Anderson-
    Valencia——————————- Nani
    ——————-Welbeck
    Play Rooney just ahead of Carrick and Anderson so he can break up Cities movement through mdfield and still link up with the wings and Welbeck.
    Failing that play Park instead of Anderson and try and man mark Da Silva and hope to run the legs off hiom.

  5. DeadRevel says

    Keane signing autographs at the game today apparently… for the City fans.

    Cunt. Must be their new hero after that article.

  6. dozer says

    Commenter said:
    Keane signing autographs at the game today apparently… for the City fans.

    Cunt. Must be their new hero after that article.

    what article?

  7. Alfonso BedoyaAlfonso Bedoya says

    I think that’s a legitimate red.

    You can not go in with both feet like that… if he catches Nani hi, he breaks his shin… low and he breaks an ankle…

    If it happened to a United player, we’d scream harsh, but by todays rulings, that’s a fair call by the ref… in my opinion

    Wouldn’t be surprised to see a United player sent off in the second half though… when the ref reflects at half time, he might want to restore balance.

  8. bman says

    madmax said:
    Rooney looks up for it

    Yep, that story in the Independent is starting to look like a managerial master stroke by Fergie — he basically publicly challenged Rooney to prove he’s a superstar today.

  9. Alfonso BedoyaAlfonso Bedoya says

    The pundits are splitting hairs… both feet were off the ground when he went in… but on the ground at point of contact… bollocks… he jumped in with both feet… dangerous… end of.

    “Badges, to god-damned hell with badges! We have no badges. In fact, we don’t need badges. I don’t have to show you any stinking badges, you god-damned cabrón and ching’ tu madre! Come out from that shit-hole of yours. I have to speak to you.”

    • DeadRevel says

      I agree. You don’t have to be airborne at the point of the tackle to get a red. Any player who jumps like that is likely to get a red.

  10. DeadRevel says

    Bollocks. Referee is trying to even up the game by booking all the United players for nothing. What a cluster fuck.

  11. bman says

    Kompany will miss four games unless the successfully appeal. Then again, City are probably about to buy De Rossi and another top defender, so what’s the difference.

  12. bman says

    Mancini really lost the gamble there. He should have brought Zabaleta on to replace Komoany, and probably take Nasri off. go 4-4-1, wit hSilva, Aguero, Johnson still had a good chance of getting something from the game. Then again, he’s probably happy with a loss to force Qatar to spend another £50million this window.

  13. sheesh says

    City are demoralised and we have them on the ropes. I hope we can really smash them and put old trafford game behind us.

    • DeadRevel says

      Didn’t know he was playing until someone at half time said he should have come off when Kompany was sent off… has he even touched the ball?

      Only Aguero for City looking dangerous.

      We need another goal near start of 2nd half to knock any rebellion out of them.

  14. says

    I will take another two without conceeding.

    Now it will be a kick up the behind of all those who felt that the Evans sending off at OT made no difference.

    By the way, am at work, can but refusing to watch as we have not won ANY match I have seen live on TV this season.

    Please lads keep everyone on the pitch and get this game won.

  15. bman says

    Calvino said:
    I will take another two without conceeding.

    Now it will be a kick up the behind of all those who felt that the Evans sending off at OT made no difference.

    By the way, am at work, can but refusing to watch as we have not won ANY match I have seen live on TV this season.

    Please lads keep everyone on the pitch and get this game won.

    Good point, I think we’d only conceding one goal when Evans was sent off, no?

    • DeadRevel says

      Yes. Exactly what I said after the game.

      City scored one goal against the run of play, we had a player sent off, they scored 5 more goals. Pretty much what has happened here.

  16. ltel says

    Calvino said:
    I will take another two without conceeding.

    Now it will be a kick up the behind of all those who felt that the Evans sending off at OT made no difference.

    By the way, am at work, can but refusing to watch as we have not won ANY match I have seen live on TV this season.

    Please lads keep everyone on the pitch and get this game won.

    ever the optimist…

  17. DeadRevel says

    Yeah bad goal to concede. Wall and keeper poor then… he’s hardly showing everyone he’s first choice is he.

  18. bman says

    The Smalling-Tony V combo on the right is much more effective than Nani-Evra on the left, offensively and defensively. We need new personnel there in a bad way.

  19. ltel says

    pace and mobility wise its 10 v 10 no need for nani to come off.. i find it very weird. surely pogba could do a similar job

  20. bman says

    I can see the sense of bringing on a central midfielder if the point is to push Giggs left. City have gone 3-4-2, so it makes sense to put pressure on their wing backs and pin them back, and Nani offers no real width on the left. Giggs is our only proper left winger, so there it is.

  21. brianofnazarethbrianofnazareth says

    This is madness by Fergie!! why bring Scholes on? Anderson has better legs!

    If we lose this it will be the worse defeat in the last 20 years!

    Our keeper is dogshite!

  22. brianofnazarethbrianofnazareth says

    We need another very soon…

    I’m still shocked just how SHITE we’ve become..in every aspect of our club.

  23. bman says

    The left flank has become as critical an area for us as central midfield. Teams like City are clearly targeting it these days.

  24. DeadRevel says

    shit sub again…. welbeck has been brilliant.. bring on another midfielder out of form. Fergie masterstroke x 2.

  25. Sidsidney says

    To be fair to Scholes he’s made more passes in this game than the rest of our midfield has over the course of the season

  26. Alfonso BedoyaAlfonso Bedoya says

    Scholes should be no where near this team… but especially not without some proper game time… fuckin hell.

  27. brianofnazarethbrianofnazareth says

    We’re getting battered by 10 men!! like Han’s boyfriend!

    The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits…..

  28. ltel says

    yeeeeeeeeeeeeeessss holy fuck we dont deserve this.. terrible second half.. fergie to blame with crazy decisions

  29. brianofnazarethbrianofnazareth says

    Thank fuck, Fergie you got out of jail you cunt! That was a fucking shambles of a 2nd half by all concerned!It has highlighted even more (if that’s possible)just how shit we are!

    Rio is fucking finished.
    Keeper problem will last until De Gea mans up.
    Jones is a flapper.

  30. says

    sidney said:
    First gear in the second half

    We keep the ball better with Scholes

    Can you people quit chatting dust. Please. From what I hear he gave the ball away leading to their second goal. As usual our manager hack back to old days. When we should have gone for the jugular he has made changes that asked City to come at us and now they will have bragging rights. We won but am fuming here!!!

  31. madmaxmadmax says

    From being their biggest game of the season all the time, it has become our biggest game this season.ffs. Epic faffing from us in the 2nd half. credit to them though, 3-0 down in a derby and still they had the discipline and patience to keep their formation.

  32. han says

    Alfonso Bedoya said:
    We may hang on to win this… but we completely gave away any bragging rights.

    knocking the blue cunts who were the cup holders at their council house…i reckon we did fucking ok
    shame couldn’t score a couple 2nd half, but let’s face it, city are no mugs and i would have taken any win over these cunts
    jones is burnt out i guess, needs a breather and heaps of pressure on him to perform every game doesnt help
    nani disappointing again but rooney and welbeck looking sharp
    we should have had that pen in the 2nd half and that would have been game set and match but the referee was poor both for the sending off and the cards

  33. sheesh says

    Cowardly tactics by the manager nearly cost us the game. Taking off our best players made the team shit themselves at 3-1.

    Jones didn’t have a great game but Valencia was particularly shite in the 2nd half.

    We won but today confirmed that we still have massive problems beyond the obvious midfield issue. Keeper was at sixes and sevens. Ferdinand was shaky as well.

  34. DamnedUnited says

    Bringing Scholes back shows how dire the situation is, but nevertheless, it’s always nice to see him on the pitch.

    Now please Fergie, swallow your pride and bring Beckham back!!

  35. Sidsidney says

    Fergie really not happy in the post match

    Says the players were too sloppy, too careless. Looks like they’ve got a proper bollocking

    Laying into the press over the Rooney speculation n all

  36. sheesh says

    Scholes gave the ball away for the second goal but he did OK.

    It was the psychological impact of going defensive that hurt us more than anything.

    Fergie has blamed the players for being careless in the 2nd half but he should look at the decisions he made.

  37. ltel says

    sheesh said:
    Scholes gave the ball away for the second goal but he did OK.

    It was the psychological impact of going defensive that hurt us more than anything.

    Fergie has blamed the players for being careless in the 2nd half but he should look at the decisions he made.

    bang on sheesh.. crazy decisions. absolutely no need for scholes to be on the pitch

    • DeadRevel says

      He made a mistake for the goal, but after that he played pretty well, kept the midfield ticking over in a very high pressure situation.

  38. DeadRevel says

    To be fair, Fergie made mistakes today but he gave a pretty honest interview. Rio and Jones were poor today, Evra almost as bad.

    Smalling, Rooney, Carrick and Welbeck were great.

    Should have stayed on the front foot at start of half… don’t know why we sit back – it only ends badly.

  39. shauno says

    Jones and Ferdinand absolutely terrible. We moved the ball quickly behind the City back four in the first half. Second half we got back into the habit of playing keep ball in front of a packed defence. We don’t have the play makers to thread a ball through a packed defence. We did when Cleverly was linking with Rooney and Wellbeck but Carrick is not that player.

    Also look at Jones on the second goal he leaves Smalling one on one he needs a run on the bench. Terrible defending.

    But that said our performance in the first half was superb. Even if City would have kept 11 on the field in the first half we would have still banged a few in because we kept turning their back four and our movement was great.

  40. Sidsidney says

    We need a settled back 4 to cut out the mistakes
    The forwards could make it easier for them by passing the ball to red shirts in the final third
    They give it away too often, and the opposition break

  41. bman says

    We only look top class on the right and up front. On the left, in central midfield, and in the back we look second-rate. Mancini got it badly wrong — if he made the changes he made at half time right after the red card, they probably would have beaten us.

  42. sheesh says

    bman said:
    We only look top class on the right and up front. On the left, in central midfield, and in the back we look second-rate. Mancini got it badly wrong — if he made the changes he made at half time right after the red card, they probably would have beaten us.

    Agreed. Rio was bollocking Evra for being out of position at one point.

  43. BrianC says

    Honestly would have been happy with a draw before the game, so I’m pretty giddy we won.
    Kompany is the shity version of vidic, their defense is as bad as ours without him.
    except for in goal, and hart didn’t play and wouldn’t have saved those goals anyhow.
    Jones limps in every game, it’s like he has to get slightly injured to be fully warmed up. Either that or the kids tired.
    Live blog is great, match started at 745 am here, I was at work and had to sneak away to keep up with you guys. Intelligent United perspective makes all the difference, I was dreading this game and I felt better knowing the bad news would come from fellow despondents.
    Instead we won! And then there’s the scholes thing. Does fergie just enjoy fucking with us?
    Brian from North Carolina

  44. shauno says

    Make you laugh all the City fans on the radio. How they would have hammered us with a full side and if thats all we have then they will easily win the league. Well here’s the news… thats football get used to injuries and the ACN and all the other things that make winning the league difficult.

    We have been struggling with injuries for most of the season. For the first time they have a few absentees and it’s a “if this” and “if that”. If we would have had fletch, cleverly, vidic etc all back and fit with half a season under their belt then it would have been 6 or 7. But like I said thats football we have a depleted squad not just a slight change to the first 11 and so far we are 3 pts off the top and just knocked City out the cup. First half they couldn’t live with us and were given a lifeline in the second half due to the ref bottling it when we should have had a second penalty. We are in next round City are out. End of.

  45. dozer says

    It’s unbelievable how some people here believe that it was harsh red!
    Kompany didn’t touch Nani because he jumped out of the way. Again, he got the ball because Nani jumped out of the challenge.
    He jumped out of the challenge because there was a high probability of a broken foot with that power in the challenge. Kompany put all his body weight and the heftly leap in that attempt.
    The element of footballing skill was lost in this event. There was nothing Nani could do to keep the ball and Kompany would have touched the player first if Nani had stayed on the ground.
    An illegal attempt = Foul
    A very dangerous foul = Red card.

    Sir Ryan Giggs? No no no. Sir Paul Scholes say.

  46. says

    sidney said:
    Fergie really not happy in the post match

    Says the players were too sloppy, too careless. Looks like they’ve got a proper bollocking

    Laying into the press over the Rooney speculation n all

    Fantastic post match interview from SAF!! The best I have seen from him since the day we lost at Chelsea before the Champions League semi second leg against Barcelona. His veins were popping and his voice was ladden with anger.

    He also laid into the press too about the Rooney situation and that was sweet. Cor, I like it when he is in this kind of mood. Love it actually.

  47. Sidsidney says

    It was rather sexual

    He stuck up for them when they were shit, now he’s laying into them after a brilliant result. It’s really good management

    Secretly though he’ll be chuffed to fuck. No matter the circumstances and the details, they beat City in their own backyard and knocked them out of the Cup

  48. sheesh says

    Calvino said:
    Fantastic post match interview from SAF!! The best I have seen from him since the day we lost at Chelsea before the Champions League semi second leg against Barcelona. His veins were popping and his voice was ladden with anger.

    He also laid into the press too about the Rooney situation and that was sweet. Cor, I like it when he is in this kind of mood. Love it actually.

    I thought you were going to be one of the first to criticise his second half tactics – and I would have agreed with you completely.

    He completely bottled it by taking off both Welbeck and Nani and bringing on Scholes and Anderson.

    Nearly cost us the match as well.

  49. bman says

    sheesh said:
    I thought you were going to be one of the first to criticise his second half tactics – and I would have agreed with you completely.

    He completely bottled it by taking off both Welbeck and Nani and bringing on Scholes and Anderson.

    Nearly cost us the match as well.

    Nah, if it wasn’t for Scholes’ one dodgy pass, they’d have only scored a single goal from a very well taken free kick.

  50. sheesh says

    bman said:
    Nah, if it wasn’t for Scholes’ one dodgy pass, they’d have only scored a single goal from a very well taken free kick.

    That’s pure conjecture. On another day they could have had a penalty for Jones’s handball or they could have had eleven men on the pitch all game. There’s no use in speculating.
    I can only go off what happened and IMO we took an unnecessary negative safety first approach at 3-1. Instead of having a go at them and killing the game off with Welbeck having a blinder and Nani playing well, we invited City to attack.
    Give them credit because they made good tactical changes themselves. They sensed our vulnerability, switched to 3-5-1 and scored a couple of goals.
    Ultimately it doesn’t matter whether we would have won 3-1 or 3-2. We nearly got showed up with our negative tactics against a 10 man side. We had a major opportunity to make a statement of intent but we failed to take it. Keeper should hold his hands up for their free kick because his positioning was diabolical.

    • says

      Sid – Nani jumped or its a broken ankle. Why do City fans and pundits keep going on about Kompany ‘getting the ball’? It’s got nothing to do with whether a red is issued. And hasn’t for about five years. Are these people dumb, playing dumb or just mentally challenged?

  51. squigs says

    On a personal level If you send lads off for strong tackles where the ball is won you will end up 7 a side in a lot of games, the tackle is full blooded but I don’t think there is any malice in it and compare it to the tackle Carragher subjected Nani to last year it’s nothing, Nani does not react to the tackle and seems fine with it.

    By the interpretation of the rules I again disagree to an extent and thought, if it’s wreckless (Disregard for the Danger of the tackle) it’s a yellow, it’s only a red if excessive force (Far exceeded the necessary force,) it’s a slippy pitch and the lads momentum sends him flying in, I certainly think it’s wreckless but I don’t think it’s excessive force on a slippery surface.

    Yes both feet are off the ground but they are not high enough to cause particularly serious damage, the tackle isn’t late and I don’t see enough excessive force for a sending off, a yellow card and to be told to calm down would have been correct I feel.

    It’s a borderline red at best and I would have wanted to United to appeal if it was one of our players.

    Ronaldo got done for something not much worse enough years ago against City.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qmTyPd5oqqg

  52. Sidsidney says

    Excessive force is open to interpretation, Squigs

    Kompany leaves the ground and ‘jumps’ in to win the ball. It desn’t look aggressive, but with the full weight of his body going into the tackle there would have been enough force to break Nani’s leg

    So surely that is excessive force

  53. says

    Calvino said:
    Can you people quit chatting dust. Please. From what I hear he gave the ball away leading to their second goal. As usual our manager hack back to old days. When we should have gone for the jugular he has made changes that asked City to come at us and now they will have bragging rights. We won but am fuming here!!!

    Sheesh,
    I did here. Right after the game too.

  54. Alfonso BedoyaAlfonso Bedoya says

    Anyone trying to defend that tackle in any way, is wrong in my opinion.
    The issue is, trying to get the studs first tackle out of the game… no exceptions.
    It’s chicken shit football… when a player commits to a fair tackle, he risks his legs in a collision with his opponents… shins, knees and ankles clash and sometimes a player gets hurt… sometimes the tackler himself comes off the worst… but that’s an even match up of limbs… and the tackler, only goes into the tackle with as much confidence, as he’s willing to risk his own legs.
    Going in studs first is protecting your own legs at the expense of increased risk towards your opponent…
    I don’t know what the stats would be, but I’d bet that the overwhelming majority of serious leg injures from tackles, happen from studs first tackles.
    Whether his feet were high or not, wins the ball or not, makes contact or not… he went in studs first… and that kind of tackle needs to be removed from the game… end of!

    “Badges, to god-damned hell with badges! We have no badges. In fact, we don’t need badges. I don’t have to show you any stinking badges, you god-damned cabrón and ching’ tu madre! Come out from that shit-hole of yours. I have to speak to you.”

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