Reds ready for City title challenge



There is little doubt that Sunday’s Manchester derby will provide a genuine marker for the season ahead. Lose and Sir Alex Ferguson’s United will side will find itself five points behind City in the Premier League. Victory, however, will propel the Reds back to the head of the table. The match is, in Ferguson’s words, is a “real six-pointer”.

The derby’s importance – relevance even – came into question during 35 trophyless years in east Manchester. Abu Dhabi money has changed all that, with the Blues now peerlessly rich, holding the FA Cup and now genuine challengers for United’s Premier League trophy. Cockiness has replaced calamity at Eastlands as £400 million of sovereign wealth is apt to do.

Indeed, City come into the match the team in form, with Roberto Mancini’s side having dropped just two league points this season, scoring 27 goals in the process at more than three a game. Ferguson’s team, meanwhile, has gone somewhat off-the-boil in the past six weeks, despite starting the campaign in such unusually thrilling style.

United’s comeback from two goals down in the Community Shield against City kick-started the season in stunning fashion. Yet, four draws in the past eight games have underlined the loss of form felt in Ferguson’s side since Tom Cleverley suffered injury against Bolton Wanderers in mid-September.

Cleverley’s return to fitness hasn’t come a moment too soon, although the 21-year-old is unlikely to start match Ferguson believes will be significant in this season’s title race.

“It’s early doors of course and there are a lot of winning posts along the way and one of the winning posts is this game,” said 69-year-old Ferguson on Friday.

“It could be a significant point of the season. But you can only judge that at the end of the season really. But it is a six-pointer, no doubt about that. Whichever team wins, it will make a difference. But you can recover from it if you lose. And the way we react in the second half of the season, you hope we will be better. It’s difficult to say sometimes what derby games will be like. Last Saturday against Liverpool was disappointing for 75 minutes but, once the goals were scored, it was a great game.”

Manchester United versus Manchester City, Premier League, Old Trafford, Sunday 22 October 2011, 1.30pm.United will surely have to play far better to ensure a result on Sunday against a City side that is superior to any in the blue half of Manchester for two generations. It is challenge that Ferguson accepts fully, although that has not come without the odd barb of course. After all, United’s noisy neighbours were always likely to get under the Scot’s ultra competitive skin.

Ferguson’s focus on maintaining United’s primacy is undiminished in the face of the new, more localised, threat though. It is a challenge, says the Scot, that the Reds must meet if a 20th domestic title is to head towards Old Trafford next May.

“It doesn’t matter where the challenges come from in this league, you know every year you are going to have to beat someone,” said Ferguson on Friday.

“This year it may be City, although people are being a wee bit premature in writing off Chelsea as far as I am concerned. You can’t discount them. We hope we finish above the both of them. That is the name of the game. City have done fantastically well and, but for throwing away a two-goal lead against Fulham, they would have a 100 per cent record, so we’ve got a game on our hands and we’re looking forward to it.

“The money they have spent doesn’t matter. They are where they are at the top of the league at the moment and at this club we always accept a challenge. We’ve done that time and time again. It’s another situation, another game in the history of the club and we have to deal with it. I enjoy that. It’s the type of challenge we have accepted well over the years.

“When Blackburn had that two-year spell when they were second one year and won it the next it was interesting. It was good for the game. We won the league in 1993 and the next year. Blackburn came along and took the title off us and we reacted in the right way. It doesn’t do any harm.”

In the more immediate future United faces the City challenge with returning midfielder Cleverley likely to make the bench. The youngster exploded into the national consciousness with a match-winning second-half display at Wembley in August. With Ryan Giggs injured, Ferguson will choose two from Darren Fletcher, Anderson and Michael Carrick in central midfield.

Meanwhile, captain Nemanja Vidic is likely to partner Rio Ferdinand in central defence in a rare outing for the pair this season, with Chris Smalling or Phil Jones deployed on the right flank of United’s back four. Wayne Rooney, who scored a brace of penalties in mid-week, will partner Mexican Javier Hernández in attack.

Midfielder Fletcher, who missed much of last season with a mystery virus, underlines the fixture’s importance, not only in the supporters’ consciousness, but for each side’s confidence too. Moreover, adds the Scottish national team captain, United’s pre-eminence is under threat from City. It is a challenge that fans expect United to meet head on.

“We don’t want to give City the confidence of winning trophies to get to our level,” Fletcher told the Daily Mirror.

“Our job is to keep Manchester United on top and as long as we keep on winning the big titles, it means they’re not winning them. If City were to go on a run of winning a lot of trophies, then they would become a global club. But for world recognition, United stands out alone.

The great thing about United is the history of the club. No-one can take away the Busby Babes, the Munich tragedy – all of these things are engrained in the club’s history. United are known all around the world for its history and success, which is what makes it so strong and such a special club.

“Teams like Chelsea have won trophies and built on that success, but that’s been maybe over a 10-year period. They still don’t have the global appeal and size of Manchester United and that’s how we want it to stay.

“The Manchester derby has always been massive, but now City are genuine title contenders for the first time, that makes it even bigger. In previous years, it was bragging rights in the city if you won – it’s a lot more than that now. For years, City weren’t really a threat to us in the league. The derby was always a big game, but now it’s huge in terms of the points at stake and where the title may end up at the end of the season.”

For the moment United remains the dominant force in English football. But City’s challenge is surely coming. How quickly depends, more than just a little, on Sunday’s fixture.

Match Facts
Manchester United versus Manchester City, Premier League, Old Trafford, Sunday 22 October 2011, 1.30pm.

Likely Line-ups
United (4-4-1-1): De Gea; Jones, Vidic, Ferdinand, Evra; Nani, Anderson, Fletcher, Young; Rooney; Hernandez. Subs from: Lindegaard, Smalling, Fabio, Evans, Pogba, Carrick, Cleverley, Park, Berbatov, Welbeck, Valencia, Owen, Diouf.

City (4-2-3-1): Hart; Richards, Kompany, Lescott, Clichy; De Jong, Barry; Nasri, Y Touré, Silva; Agüero; Subs from: Pantilimon, Taylor, Johnson, Zabaleta, Kolarov, Savic, Onuoha, Razak, Milner, K Touré, Hargreaves, Ballotelli, Dzeko.

Performance stats

  • Seven of the EA SPORTS Player Performance Index’s top ten players will be on display at Old Trafford on Sunday, with Rooney (1), Young (3) and Anderson (5) all likely to start for United.
  • Rooney has scored nine goals this season while City’s top scorer is Agüero with eight. The United striker averages a goal every 66′ 53″ seconds.
  • In midfield the battle may well come down to each side’s wide players. City’s midfielders David Silva and Samir Nasri have completed a pass in their opponent’s half every 2′ 42″ and 2′ 20″ this season. Young and Nani have averaged one every 4′ 43″ and 4′ 25″, but have completed 62 dribbles compared to the City pair’s 22, and put in 57 crosses against 22.
  • Young and Nani have also out run their City counterparts, putting in 122.68 metres and 127.2 metres respectively for every minute they have been on the pitch. Silva and Nasri have run 119.36 and 96.83 metres respectively.
  • Meanwhile, in defence Phil Jones and Vincent Kompany have been leading figures for each side, with neither player having lost a tackle this season. Jones has also completed a remarkable 78 passes in his opponent’s half this season.
  • In goal, David de Gea has been the busiest ‘keeper in the league this season, making 58 saves compared to Joe Hart’s 33. Both ‘keepers have conceded six goals this season.

Officials
Referee: Mark Clattenburg (County Durham)
Assistant referees: S Beck, S Child

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  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    we’re gonna have to go one up front if cleverleys not fit

    fuck sake

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    For me the important issue is, this is our patch… I don’t want these jumped up tossers leaving OT with anything but their tails between their legs.

    I don’t really put too much importance on possibly being 5 points behind, or early season bragging rights… City have had a relatively easy ride so far, compared to United… City have got some very tough games coming… we’d overtake them by Christmas anyway…

    But I’ll be sick if they beat us at home.

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    I want us to win well for once and remove any potential for them taking the moral victory and the media giving it all that ‘utd know they’re right on their coat tails now’ ‘they’re not just noisy neighbours anymore’ type bollocks that have followed all our recent games with them, fucking turn em over properly

  • RobDiablo

    Smalling at Right Back, I’d guess. Perhaps he doesn’t dribble the ball as well as Jones, but he scores more. Can’t see Sir Alex setting the side out in anything other than a 4-5-1 either; United’s midfield is…

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    uncleknobheadforfucksake said:
    I want us to win well for once and remove any potential for them taking the moral victory and the media giving it all that ‘utd know they’re right on their coat tails now’ ‘they’re not just noisy neighbours anymore’ type bollocks that have followed all our recent games with them, fucking turn em over properly

    I agree, but I don’t think 4-5-1 is the answer.

    Mancini is a “safety first” type… 4-5-1 will suit him just fine… a stalemate in the middle, and try to nick a goal… and if they don’t he’d consider a 0-0 a moral victory.

    I like Eds 4-2-3-1… Fletch, and ?, to protect the back 4… Rooney gets to drop back a bit more to help out in the middle, and we get to take advantage of Chicos’ pace.

    The alternative of Rooney on his own is toothless… against a very strong defence.

  • dozer

    Commenter said:
    Smalling at Right Back, I’d guess. Perhaps he doesn’t dribble the ball as well as Jones, but he scores more. Can’t see Sir Alex setting the side out in anything other than a 4-5-1 either; United’s midfield is…

    More importantly he defends better, and he’s good going front too.

    Sir Ryan Giggs? No no no. Sir Paul Scholes say.

  • dozer

    I think Fergie may play only one Striker. Hernandez seems better off the bench against the big teams.

  • Ashish

    I don’t see Fergie playing more or less the same team he set out to play against Liverpool.

    I certainly see Fergie going for the kill,which ofcourse means 4-4-2.

    It will be an interesting match no doubt but I firmly expect the likes of De Jong and Toure to dominate the likes of Fletcher and Anderson.

    Utd will be hoping to score goals with pace and precision as they have always done and City’s job will be to stifle Utd’s attacks initially and,as the game progresses they might become more adventurous.

    As much as we Utd fans hate to admit it,City have a genuine chance to get the 3 points today.

  • han

    uncleknobheadforfucksake said:
    I want us to win well for once and remove any potential for them taking the moral victory and the media giving it all that ‘utd know they’re right on their coat tails now’ ‘they’re not just noisy neighbours anymore’ type bollocks that have followed all our recent games with them, fucking turn em over properly

    please ffs bring back the real knobhead – this new positive version really doesn’t make sense

  • sheesh

    Alfonso Bedoya said:
    I agree, but I don’t think 4-5-1 is the answer.

    Mancini is a “safety first” type… 4-5-1 will suit him just fine… a stalemate in the middle, and try to nick a goal… and if they don’t he’d consider a 0-0 a moral victory.

    I like Eds 4-2-3-1… Fletch, and ?, to protect the back 4… Rooney gets to drop back a bit more to help out in the middle, and we get to take advantage of Chicos’ pace.

    The alternative of Rooney on his own is toothless… against a very strong defence.

    *yawns* check out the pub bore getting excited about formations ffs

  • captainhormone

    you’d have loved it on this past couple of weeks sheesh…politics, name calling, tory bashing etc

    it is ace

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    there’s no value in social and political topics

  • Damian Garside

    I think that if Aguero is in top form we could be in for a bad day. If Mancini is timid and comes here thinking that this is the home of the champions, of our outstanding record against City, of the dangers posed by our key players then we will take them. However, a win here for City would have thunderous significance for them: they could use a victory here as the perfect springboard for an assault on the title. If Mancini realizes this and thinks that what City get from this if they win, far exceeds what we will get from it if we win, and goes for it and if Sir Alex thinks of this as just another derby and gets sloppy in his team selection– then this could be the defining game of the season, since I don’t think we will be able to bounce back from defeated by them at OT in a top of the table head-to-head.

  • ltel

    we have no champions league to think about. no reason to fuck with team selection

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    sheesh said:
    *yawns* check out the pub bore getting excited about formations ffs

    Who’s the new guy with the attitude?

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Commenter said:
    I think that if Aguero is in top form we could be in for a bad day. If Mancini is timid and comes here thinking that this is the home of the champions, of our outstanding record against City, of the dangers posed by our key players then we will take them. However, a win here for City would have thunderous significance for them: they could use a victory here as the perfect springboard for an assault on the title. If Mancini realizes this and thinks that what City get from this if they win, far exceeds what we will get from it if we win, and goes for it and if Sir Alex thinks of this as just another derby and gets sloppy in his team selection– then this could be the defining game of the season, since I don’t think we will be able to bounce back from defeated by them at OT in a top of the table head-to-head.

    If Rooney is in top form… City will have their arses handed to ‘em.

  • han

    no vidic in defence?
    so he is fit enough to play for serbia last week but not for united ffs
    hope ferdinand is going to be on his toes and not as flat footed as he has been of late

  • ltel

    gea
    smalling rio evans evra
    fletcher andderson
    nani rooney young
    wellbeck

  • han

    jones on the bench?

  • ltel

    dont think so

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    improtant to rest vidic for the crucial game against aldershot

  • ltel

    your impotent

  • RobDiablo

    ltel said:
    gea
    smalling rio evans evra
    fletcher andderson
    nani rooney young
    wellbeck

    Bit disappointed in Vidic’s play one, sit one routine; Evans needs to be at his very best against some very good attacking options for City. I like Welbeck to start, Chico to come on if needed, as Welbeck has an ability similar to Rooney’s to get into the midfield if needed; he defends better than Hernandez, in my opinion.

  • ltel

    hernandez pins their defence back by being constantly on the line…

  • ltel

    Subs: Lindegaard, Jones, Berbatov, Park, Hernandez, Fabio Da Silva, Valencia

  • han

    don’t know why berbs is on the bench
    he’s hardly likely to be asked to play ffs

  • han

    oh ffs
    no live commentary on radio 5
    i can’t listen to talk shite with that cretin collyfuckhead

  • madredmonkey

    Hi everyone, you all ready for a United win?

  • han

    hi mad red
    going to be a real stressful afternoon

  • madredmonkey

    han said:
    hi mad red
    going to be a real stressful afternoon

    Nearly always is Han, hope for less stress today.

    MANCHESTER IS MY HEAVEN- SIR MATT BUSBY

  • han

    listening to keano on radio 5
    wow
    just total passion
    if only he was still playing

  • han

    come on united
    show those blue cunts who the true champions are

  • ltel

    i feel sick

  • sidney

    106723 is a good stream

  • sidney

    Yellow card, Barry surely

  • han

    come on reds

  • sidney

    Young being targetted

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    sidney said:
    106723 is a good stream

    Yep… that’s my favourite stream now… Bloodzeed, I think it’s called… awesome quality.

  • madredmonkey

    Come on United.

  • madmax

    wow what a dive from Balotelli

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    What a player Rooney is…

  • sidney

    City can’t get near the us

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Evans has his confidence back…

  • han

    need to score with this early dominance

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    sidney said:
    City can’t get near the us

    Yeah but they’ll get a foothold eventually… we need to score while we’re on top of the game…

  • madmax

    fucksake, poor poor porr defending

  • han

    fuck off

  • madredmonkey

    ffs.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Fuck sake…

  • ltel

    fuck fuck fuck

  • madmax

    we are playing annoyingly Arsenalesque

  • ltel

    im fuming we should be stuffing these cunts

  • sidney

    They’re defending really well, we haven’t had a decent chant yet

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    Ffs, thought this was at 4pm so at the driving range attempting to play glof but as usual playing like a pissed up spazza as usual and now following the shit bbc commentary – 65% possession but by all accounts it was a top finish by Bastardelli?!

  • madmax

    fuck straight at the keeper

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    what was fergie thinking playing the same midfield two that chelsea creamed

  • ltel

    would live to see you cycle past with your golf clubs strapped to your back ringing your mongo bell

  • han

    evans fs

  • madmax

    Evans you dumb ass

  • sidney

    Centrebacks finish

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    remember when top midfielders like silva played for us

  • han

    we will score
    come on united

  • sidney

    Reckon Mancini does a lot of that gesticulating on the touchline to impress Mansour

  • ltel

    han said:
    we will score
    come on united

    we wil score 2.. come on reds

  • madmax

    I do not like the Nani who has turned up today

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    You can tell we’re feeling nervous when we start diving and fannying about in the box like that, ffs…

  • han

    SAF will turn it around
    shouldn’t be losing but really need to up the ante 2nd half
    those blue cunts are good but the reds will be better

  • captainhormone

    uncleknobheadforfucksake said:
    remember when top midfielders like silva played for us

    he gets back as well…good player

  • sidney

    The final ball is shite, again, and that’s cost us

    City converted their one and only chance – a half chance at that thanks to a great finish from Balotell

  • Damian Garside

    October Revolution

    We need Lenin, smuggled in on a sealed train to Manchester Picadilly Station. He will set up a Provisional People’s Soviet of Manchester United (so no more money out or utterly insane team selections) and in a people’s court there will be show trials for Gill and the Glazers. And a bit of re-education for Fergie.

    This if we lose.

  • ichiro

    hat has happened to Fletcher, he doesnt seem to be the same player.

  • han

    i know most of u will slate me but i think berbs should be drafted in to midfield – he at least can hold the ball and his passing is pretty accurate – it can’t continue like it has since its obvious we are missing the spark

  • madredmonkey

    han said:
    i know most of u will slate me but i think berbs should be drafted in to midfield – he at least can hold the ball and his passing is pretty accurate – it can’t continue like it has since its obvious we are missing the spark

    we are missing the spark, what js park?

  • madmax

    wank midfield is costing us not just Anderson and Fletcher, even Nani has been piss poor

  • captainhormone

    han said:
    i know most of u will slate me but i think berbs should be drafted in to midfield

    we don’t have to…with comments like that you slate yourself.

    LKHF

    faffing

  • captainhormone

    han said:
    i know most of u will slate me but i think berbs should be drafted in to midfield

    we don’t have to…with comments like that you slate yourself.

  • han

    come on reds
    a second half like the one at wembley 3 months ago is needed

  • han

    captainhormone said:
    we don’t have to…with comments like that you slate yourself.

    and so what would u like SAF to do to change things around?

  • captainhormone

    buy 2 midfielders….oh wait

  • han

    evans u cunt

  • madmax

    We are fucked

  • madmax

    Evans could have clearly blocked the pass, what the fuck was he thinking

  • ltel

    game over stupid twat

  • sidney

    I missed the tackle

    What happened?

  • ichiro

    Evans out of his depth

  • madmax

    Evans can never ever ever become a top defender. fuckin brainless lazy cunt

  • ghost

    evans, the cunt. how shit were we the first half?

  • Damian Garside

    This is it: 45 mins to tell us how good this team really is, how resourceful, mentally strong and able to produce under pressure and with their backs to the wall. A win here coming from behind will mean we will be in with a shout for the title and the Champions League.

  • han

    Commenter said:
    This is it: 45 mins to tell us how good this team really is, how resourceful, mentally strong and able to produce under pressure and with their backs to the wall. A win here coming from behind will mean we will be in with a shout for the title and the Champions League.

    dream on ffs

  • ltel

    Commenter said:
    This is it: 45 mins to tell us how good this team really is, how resourceful, mentally strong and able to produce under pressure and with their backs to the wall. A win here coming from behind will mean we will be in with a shout for the title and the Champions League.

    your insane…..

  • madmax

    sidney said:
    I missed the tackle

    What happened?

    a marginal pass to Balotelli, Evans had him blocked and just had a sprint a couple of yards to cut out the pass. But the lazy cunt stopped and pulled Balotelli’s hand back. cunt cunt fucking cunt

  • sidney

    Chance

    Young should do better

  • sidney

    madmax said:
    a marginal pass to Balotelli, Evans had him blocked and just had a sprint a couple of yards to cut out the pass. But the lazy cunt stopped and pulled Balotelli’s hand back. cunt cunt fucking cunt

    Ah, cheers

    Mabe should have started Vidic

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    When is the last time we lost at home in epl?

  • sidney

    It’s more open now

  • ltel

    20 games i think danni

  • han

    danniitronix said:
    When is the last time we lost at home in epl?

    epl?
    ffs danni

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    0-1 behind… down to 10 men…

    Now we start to play like a good team.

    FFS…

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    its great how we left out jones for no particular reason

    • Damian Garside

      What was the logic of that? Jones is a physically strong player, able to add strength either in midfield or defence against City’s physically robust players. If there wasn’t an injury problem than his omission was, well, criminal.

  • madmax

    we need Rooney and Nani playing out of their skins to get out of this mess with something

  • han

    come on reds ffs

  • brianofnazareth

    As long as Ferguson sees it fit to let Evans pull on a shirt we are always going to struggle against the top teams, which Man City are now, I’d rather a one legged Vidic than Evans, horrible player and never good enough! Why does he keep getting picked?? Same goes for Wellbeck, why no Hernandez?

    Until we get money to buy your Silva’s and the like we’ll continue to fall behind.

    Oh 0-2 congrats Jinsoak!! CUNT!!

  • madredmonkey

    ffs.

  • madmax

    thumping

  • ltel

    fuck this..bed time

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Game over.

  • sidney

    They’re doing a job on us tbf
    Defending well and then converting the chances when they come
    Back to the drawing board because they look better than us

  • han

    time for these cunts to grow a collective pair

  • han

    score 1 and we’ll get another

  • madmax

    come one United score 1

  • han

    66-1 for a united win
    go on tel

  • madmax

    we are getting raped

  • ltel

    3-0 now.. not a chance this will be 5

  • ghost

    shit’s just depressing now

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    All we need now is for Rooney to lose it, and smack someone in the chops…

    Fuckin hell…

  • sidney

    I wonder what Evans is feeling right now

  • ltel

    he should be fined and made to walk home.. to belfast

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    FERGIE OUT

  • ichiro

    should have been four

  • ltel

    uncleknobheadforfucksake said:
    FERGIE OUT

    ffs knobby

  • brianofnazareth

    It’s fair to say Fergie has fucked up today!! So did Evans mum and dad all those years ago!!

  • ltel

    get in..

  • sidney

    Fletcher, football genius

  • ltel

    how has ferg fuckd up.. wew ere the beter side untill evans get sent off..

    • ichiro

      He picked Evans

  • sidney

    Stunning goal that, simple one two, class finish

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    uncleknobheadforfucksake said:
    FERGIE OUT

    Fuck me!

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    ltel said:
    how has ferg fuckd up.. wew ere the beter side untill evans get sent off..

    Ignore the plebs Tel…

  • sidney

    ltel said:
    how has ferg fuckd up.. wew ere the beter side untill evans get sent off..

    Aye, but why start Evans when Vidic was fit

    Should have picked the more reliable man

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Commenter said:
    He picked Evans

    So what?

    He picks Rooney as well… when he gets sent off.

    Stop talking shit!

    • ichiro

      Rooney picks himself. Evans doesnt.

  • ichiro

    fucking having a laugh

  • ltel

    oh my fuckinggod..3-1 was sickenig now its 5 fucking 5

  • sidney

    Embarrassing

    A decimation

    I’m starting to think even 11 v 11 we were going to get done

    This isn’t just Evans’s fault this. We’re being outclassed

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Excellent…

  • han

    fucking hell
    i cant even begin
    someone shoot me

  • brianofnazareth

    The power has shifted. Major investment needed.

  • ghost

    thoroughly fucked

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    THE NEW ERA IS HERE, WE ARE THE PAST

  • han

    i hate this so fucking much
    i can’t believe this

  • ichiro

    tbf players have to take the blame – but team selection did not help.

  • madmax

    this is ridiculous

  • captainhormone

    disgrace

    LKHF

  • han

    LKHF

  • sidney

    United collapsed

    We actually collapsed

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    tbf this is what chelsea shouldve done to us but we got lucky

  • sidney

    Wouldn’t be surprised if Rooney organised another press conference

  • han

    slaughtered at OT
    where do we go from here?
    i remember the scouse cunts doing us 3 seasons ago and the rent boys did us 3-0 8 years ago
    but how to fathom this?
    we need 1 rich fucking arab to buy those yank cunts out

  • ltel

    can wait to see the interview….now will we sort the mf out

  • Damian Garside

    Saw this coming. 2nd huge defeat for a Glazers team after SF 49ers slaughtered Tampa Bucaneers 48-3 two weeks ago. Need to get rid of them ASAP whatever it takes.

    This has to have been the defining match of the season. The blow to our morale will be huge, perhaps irreparable. Looking for mitigating factors: nice thing is that those United fans who believe that Fergie has lost it and should step down for a younger man (younger Portuguese man?) can be far less defensive about thinking such thoughts.

    Thoughts for the title: City or Chelsea?
    Those who still believe that Fergie is the complete football genius and perfect manager and is about to wrap up his 20th tityle and 3rd Champions League should book themselves in for a brain scan.

  • brianofnazareth

    Absolutely sick. Tbf we all know this day would come since the BILLIONS started rolling in.

  • ichiro

    Bring back Quieroz

  • han

    itel
    can’t see any real money coming out those tight cunts
    i am going to have nightmares for years with that game

  • ltel

    Commenter said:
    Saw this coming. 2nd huge defeat for a Glazers team after SF 49ers slaughtered Tampa Bucaneers 48-3 two weeks ago. Need to get rid of them ASAP whatever it takes.

    This has to have been the defining match of the season. The blow to our morale will be huge, perhaps irreparable. Looking for mitigating factors: nice thing is that those United fans who believe that Fergie has lost it and should step down for a younger man (younger Portuguese man?) can be far less defensive about thinking such thoughts.

    Thoughts for the title: City or Chelsea?
    Those who still believe that Fergie is the complete football genius and perfect manager and is about to wrap up his 20th tityle and 3rd Champions League should book themselves in for a brain scan.

    see your earlier post dr dinglebery

  • han

    we are the new man city

  • NameOnTheTrophy

    I say we just need tom back.

  • han

    i actually hate the scousers less after today

  • Geno

    My quick thoughts:

    - anyone know a betting shop that will let me put some money on Jonny Evans being sold to Sunderland next summer?

    - time for me to stop taunting Arsenal fans

    - despite the frustration and anger we’re all feeling at the moment, we need to remember that there are still 29 league games to go. We can’t give up on the title now, despite the Bitters having a 5 point lead, as that would be too easy on the team…they need to work over the next 29 rounds to redeem themselves by overhauling the Bitters

    - the only saving grace of this horrendous weekend is that those f*ckwits the Glazers had to sit through that and watch it along with us

  • madmax

    last year after such a raping, would think atleast its a kick up the arse for Fergie to strengthen.But seeing how even after getting thoroughly outplayed by Barcelona Fergie failed to strengthen, its all the more depressing. If we are not going to strengthen we better get used to such results.

    More than half the squad is dross,apart from that we have a few average players, a few ‘potentially’ good players and one Rooney. Clearly not the mark of a great team.

    • Geno

      We did strengthen – we bought Jones and Young and also brought Welbeck and Cleverley back from loans. (Also signed De Gea obviously but that netted off against the retirement of EVS.) It’s true that we did not sign a central midfielder who would have taken that game by the scruff of the neck and dominated – that player’s not Wesley Sneijder by the way, if he’d played today he would have spent most of the match high up the field with his hands on his hips watching Silva run at our back four.

  • sidney

    We need to look back on today’s result as the start of a new era – an era where we take the bitter cunts seriously and rejig our team to match/better theirs, like we did with Chelsea

    It starts by signing some fucking midfielders

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    nah just a bad day at the office, city had six chances, scored all six, ref had a shocker, their keeper had a worldie, evans stays on we win 6-1, trust fergie, city won’t play that well again, they’ll fade away like always, we’re amazing etc.

  • han

    those yankee cunts don’t know the game – all they see is the money
    with any luck they will fuck off or give saf some proper dough
    welcome to the 1970′s and 80′s in terms of our future if we dont invest
    i have witnessed some bad results in my lifetime supporting this club and even that raping at maine road in 89 but this is really going to be etched in my inner self
    we got fucked well and truly fucked
    now we have to see if the players are going to be hurting as much as the fans

  • han

    uncleknobheadforfucksake said:
    nah just a bad day at the office, city had six chances, scored all six, ref had a shocker, their keeper had a worldie, evans stays on we win 6-1, trust fergie, city won’t play that well again, they’ll fade away like always, we’re amazing etc.

    fuck off u cunt

  • Damian Garside

    We all had a great ride. Eric, Andy Kanchelskis screaming down the wing, last second goals in the Cl to win the treble, Cristiano’s fantastic season when he couldn’t stop scoring.

    What amazed everybody was that there was a first, then a second, then a third and fourth act — the success just kept coming. And maybe it still will. But there are a few things we have to accept:

    City have built a formidable team and we have no choice but to compete with them: or slowly die as THEY not us become synonymous with football and the City of Manchesater. To compete with them we cannot be owned by a family that takes hundreds of millions out of our turnover in order to service debt and put a bit in their pockets as profit.

    Then we have to think about Fergie — does he still have it — can he compete with this light blue supergiant beginning to flex its muscle — or is he going to let us be left behind ta;king about `no value’ etc?

    We are the biggest club in the world — and as supporters we must have immense collective power. maybe a 1-6 home defeat to the `noisy’ but now suddenly brilliant, neighbours, should be our wake-up call,

    Can we really live with the thought that one day we might be happy to get a lucky away win at Everton, whilst City are giving Real a drubbing in the Bernebau?

  • han

    what are we not being told about vidic?

  • ltel

    evry united supporter wo made the tripto ot should get their money back.. that was a disgrace

    lets see what wobbly gob has to say on his twatter..

  • han

    Commenter said:
    We all had a great ride. Eric, Andy Kanchelskis screaming down the wing, last second goals in the Cl to win the treble, Cristiano’s fantastic season when he couldn’t stop scoring.

    What amazed everybody was that there was a first, then a second, then a third and fourth act — the success just kept coming. And maybe it still will. But there are a few things we have to accept:

    City have built a formidable team and we have no choice but to compete with them: or slowly die as THEY not us become synonymous with football and the City of Manchesater. To compete with them we cannot be owned by a family that takes hundreds of millions out of our turnover in order to service debt and put a bit in their pockets as profit.

    Then we have to think about Fergie — does he still have it — can he compete with this light blue supergiant beginning to flex its muscle — or is he going to let us be left behind ta;king about `no value’ etc?

    We are the biggest club in the world — and as supporters we must have immense collective power. maybe a 1-6 home defeat to the `noisy’ but now suddenly brilliant, neighbours, should be our wake-up call,

    Can we really live with the thought that one day we might be happy to get a lucky away win at Everton, whilst City are giving Real a drubbing in the Bernebau?

    well to be fair, united were pretty shite throughout the 70′s and 80′s when the scousers dominated the game, and apart from a few cup wins, getting a top 5 finish was considered a successful season
    i just don’t know if SAF has the years left in him to get united back to the best

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    tbf silva is an unbelievable player

    its good how we thought the best way to stop him would be to play no holding mid

  • Fred

    The players need to take the blame for this one.. they totally lost it after the 4th goal..

  • han

    uncleknobheadforfucksake said:
    tbf silva is an unbelievable player

    its good how we thought the best way to stop him would be to play no holding mid

    yes he is a fantastic player but we better get used to seeing results like that unless we start to spend some real money on quality players
    hate to say this but rooney may have been half right a year ago when he said the club lacked ambition – we lack the real money to buy the mercenery quality that city have got

  • han

    aldershot will be licking their lips for tuesday nite

  • http://www.newhallmedialtd.com Calvino

    What is wrong with you lot? We were only a goal down at half-time and had played well. Evans gets sent-off in the 47th minute. They did not score their second until the 60th!!

    Now, where I blame our manager is he not shutting up shop immediately Evans got sent off and hoping we get a goal from a set-piece. That was negligence of the highest order and we have paid a very horrible price for it. This game had nothing to do with our midfield or lack of investment. Am sure Knobby wrote his last piece with his tongue firmly in his cheek but it is actually true – it was a bad day at the office.

    It was sheer arrogance on his behalf that we have a centre-back sent-off and he still kept two strikers on. City will not win this league this season. This is the day they will remember for the rest of the season. But it will count for nothing.

    • shauno

      The above. spot on!

  • ltel

    Manchester United boss Sir Alex Ferguson on his side’s humiliating defeat by their neighbours City at Old Trafford: “You cannot believe the scoreline if you look at the first 30 minutes of the game. The sending off was a killer, it was a long way after that with 10 men. It is a bad defeat. The impact will come from the embarrassment of the defeat. Without doubt there will be a response to that.”

  • sidney

    Commenter said:
    We did strengthen – we bought Jones and Young and also brought Welbeck and Cleverley back from loans. (Also signed De Gea obviously but that netted off against the retirement of EVS.) It’s true that we did not sign a central midfielder who would have taken that game by the scruff of the neck and dominated – that player’s not Wesley Sneijder by the way, if he’d played today he would have spent most of the match high up the field with his hands on his hips watching Silva run at our back four.

    Yeah, but, you could also say that Silva would have done fuck all but stand with his hands on his hips waiting for Sneijder to run at the back 4 – because they’re similar players (although Sneijder can play in 442) – yet any sensible cunt would still rather have Silva in the 11 than fucking Fletch
    With Sneijder our attacking play around the box would have been class and we’d carry more of a threat – more than fucking Fletcher and Ando usually do. But aye, we needed a holding midfielder too because Carrick is shite and Fergie doesn’t trust him in the league anymore
    We got neither. The the most exciting midfielder that inspired a 3-0 second half battering of City at Wembley, and our most reliable defender were both left out

    • Geno

      I half agree with your point, but where I differ is that Silva can flit around in the final 3rd because he knows he’s got 2 big uncreative blokes behind him in Yaya and Barry who can carry the defensive load. We’ve got Fletch and Ando – I’m ok with Fletch (nothing to do with the screamer he scored today) whereas Ando doesn’t add a lot unless he’s playing at 100%, which he hasn’t been for weeks now.

      Maybe I didn’t put my point very well – if Fergie was only going to sign one world-class central mid in the summer, we needed a holding midfielder more than we needed a creative playmaker.

      • Geno

        I’m clearly still in shock because the other part of my argument is even if we had signed Sneijder, I don’t think it would have worked today because I couldn’t see Fergie playing say 4-4-1-1…I think he was determined to play 4-4-2 because he wanted to show up the Bitters by playing 2 strikers. Same as against Barca in the CL final last May.

        I think he’s got to get over his mental block that the Bitters are still easy beats and start playing 4-3-3 against them, at least from the start of the match…keep it tight for an hour and then chuck on a second striker once the game opens up.

  • chocolatteballs

    madmax said:
    last year after such a raping, would think atleast its a kick up the arse for Fergie to strengthen.But seeing how even after getting thoroughly outplayed by Barcelona Fergie failed to strengthen, its all the more depressing. If we are not going to strengthen we better get used to such results.

    More than half the squad is dross,apart from that we have a few average players, a few ‘potentially’ good players and one Rooney. Clearly not the mark of a great team.

    This.

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    lol – just what the doctor needed

    if we are gonna get bummed lets get properly whacked, none of this 2-1, bollocks. it’s far better to be utterly raped than a shitty loss by one or two goals. mentally, we tend to react better when we are humiliated.

    now at least Phelan and Taggart, the clubs scouts and decision makers can wipe the blood from their arses and listen up.

    will reserve judgement until i watch MOTD later but by all accounts it was a silly mistake by Evans, so shit happens – and if you haven’t got the midfield to hold it together, the critical factor, when you are a man down, then you gonna get bummed.

  • shauno

    Fuck’s sake! Some of you clowns have either short memories or have never kicked a football in your lives! We have had City spank us before as well as Newcastle, Liverpool etc. Still not a bad points haul for this time of the year. One win at OT since 1955 and united down to 10 men. This will not define United’s season end of discussion. What will define the season is how we react to this defeat.

    Shit day, shit result, get over yourselves it’s a wake up call. 9 GAMES PLAYED! Today came down to Evan’s sending off. We played a 4-4-2 against a 4-5-1. Dominated possession they tried to hit us on the break and struggled. Lost the first half to a goal against the run of play. Hard to change anything when your 4-4-2 and go down to 10 men with an entire half to play.

    Also a significant wake up call to the likes of Wellbeck, Jones, Smalling Anderson, Young life’s not that easy in the top flight

    Ultimately City will win things…limitless funds it’s impossible not too. But so will United… 5 points behind the top.

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    worst home defeat since 1955, worst defeat ever in epl, first time we conceded 6 at OT since 1930

    you got to marvel at that – that is a proper kick in.

  • Just1n

    The sending off did not help but playing 2 in midfield was asking for trouble.

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    not seen the game but i assume the resident Rant Top Player, “Anderson – he needs time to develop” was brilliant again in midfield, looking foward to seeing his

    - “incisive” passing
    - shooting
    - “thunderous” tackling
    - “mazy” runs
    - “hollywood” passes
    - movement
    - control and balance
    - leadership on the pitch

    and his Samba skills.

    Although I assume that he was so utterly brilliant once again that Taggart decided that he should be taken off after 66 minutes to give Jones a chance to impress.

    No, I’m open minded and will reserve taking a view until I see MOTD.

  • han

    danniitronix said:
    lol – just what the doctor needed

    if we are gonna get bummed lets get properly whacked, none of this 2-1, bollocks. it’s far better to be utterly raped than a shitty loss by one or two goals. mentally, we tend to react better when we are humiliated.

    now at least Phelan and Taggart, the clubs scouts and decision makers can wipe the blood from their arses and listen up.

    will reserve judgement until i watch MOTD later but by all accounts it was a silly mistake by Evans, so shit happens – and if you haven’t got the midfield to hold it together, the critical factor, when you are a man down, then you gonna get bummed.

    u r a glutton for punishment
    how can u watch our arses being handed to us tonite?
    if anything, i do agree with the consensus that this was a result waiting to happen sooner rather than later
    now it has, lets see the reaction
    the last time we lost heavily at home against the scouse cunts, we lost the next league game to fulham so i’m hoping we don’t go and implode next week or even at aldershot on tuesday

  • sidney

    It will be interesting to see who starts against Everton next weekend
    Who will Fergie blame

  • sidney

    Fucking hell, these are strange times…

    Chelsea losing 1-0 to QPR and now they’re down to 9 men

    City must be loving this

  • http://www.newhallmedialtd.com Calvino

    Commenter said:
    Fuck’s sake! Some of you clowns have either short memories or have never kicked a football in your lives! We have had City spank us before as well as Newcastle, Liverpool etc. Still not a bad points haul for this time of the year. One win at OT since 1955 and united down to 10 men. This will not define United’s season end of discussion. What will define the season is how we react to this defeat.

    Shit day, shit result, get over yourselves it’s a wake up call. 9 GAMES PLAYED! Today came down to Evan’s sending off. We played a 4-4-2 against a 4-5-1. Dominated possession they tried to hit us on the break and struggled. Lost the first half to a goal against the run of play. Hard to change anything when your 4-4-2 and go down to 10 men with an entire half to play.

    Also a significant wake up call to the likes of Wellbeck, Jones, Smalling Anderson, Young life’s not that easy in the top flight

    Ultimately City will win things…limitless funds it’s impossible not too. But so will United… 5 points behind the top.

    Thanks a lot man!!

    I am not worried by the scoreline at all. Am only annoyed that our manager still thought we should go for it after Evans was sent off. Jones should have come straight on with Fletcher remaining in that midfield. Am sure that is what he will be telling the players that with 11 men we were their equals.

    • shauno

      He didn’t think they should go for it. Watch the interview.

  • RobDiablo

    Did someone describe this as a “wake up call”? If so, that would make it the fifth in a row in the league, plus the first two games in the UCL. Since hammering Bolton in their fourth league match, United have only had easy wins against Leeds – in the Carling Cup, and some Romanian team in UCL. Perhaps, as this wake-up call was a proper raping by the noisy neighbors, it will have that effect at last.
    United can still win the league in the same manner as they have a couple times in the past: by beating the teams they ought to beat. I don’t remember the years, but there was one season in particular where Arsenal did the double over United, and the other top four sides all took points off them, but United dropped very few points against the mid-table sides and none against the bottom on their way to winning the league title. Right now, United have only dropped two points against mid-table clubs (Stoke), and wins against Arsenal, Tottenham, and Cheatski have to be considered a bonus. Of course, City and Cheatski will need to drop points through complacency, but it could happen. Sir Alex buying two midfielders (real ones) in January would be a big help as well.

  • Damian Garside

    I hear people saying here thatwe had better get used to 2nd best, being also-rans etc and that this is just a bad day at the3 office, not the first huyge sign of a historic shift in power.

    Sure we were crap in the 70s and 80s — but having tasted such glory since the 90s — do you think that we can ever accept a loss of stature and the drying up of success — this coupled with a what could well be a period of unprecedented success across the city?

    What was it Dylan Thomas said about not going gently into the night?

  • RobDiablo

    Commenter said:
    I hear people saying here thatwe had better get used to 2nd best, being also-rans etc and that this is just a bad day at the3 office, not the first huyge sign of a historic shift in power.

    Sure we were crap in the 70s and 80s — but having tasted such glory since the 90s — do you think that we can ever accept a loss of stature and the drying up of success — this coupled with a what could well be a period of unprecedented success across the city?

    What was it Dylan Thomas said about not going gently into the night?

    “Do not go gentle into that good night,”

  • sidney

    Commenter said:
    I hear people saying here thatwe had better get used to 2nd best, being also-rans etc and that this is just a bad day at the3 office, not the first huyge sign of a historic shift in power.

    Sure we were crap in the 70s and 80s — but having tasted such glory since the 90s — do you think that we can ever accept a loss of stature and the drying up of success — this coupled with a what could well be a period of unprecedented success across the city?

    What was it Dylan Thomas said about not going gently into the night?

    The success isn’t going to dry up FFS it’s just bullshit sensationalism from the press

    It was only a few months ago that we apparently had the best young squad in Europe – the new busby babes

    The league can accomodate another top team because other teams drop out (Liverpool) and there are lots of trophys for us all to win

  • madredmonkey

    Its taken me three hours to calm down, but i now think that this result may be a blessing in disguise, now the players will have to look at themselves, we need two top class midfielders, goes without saying , Evans is not good enough, why Sir Alex left Jones on the bench, i don’t know why, Anderson is never going to be good enough , and we worst thing of all is that the team gave up right at the end, that can never be accepted.

  • sheesh

    The worst 45 mins of football I have ever witnessed at Old Trafford. I’m not sure I can even stomach watching them play against Aldershot in mid-week.

    Hopefully, this result will mean the end of the United careers of shite like Anderson and Fletcher whose deficiencies as footballers were ruthlessly exposed by top-class opposition. I say top-class but we were so bad in the 2nd half we made them look like Barcelona.

    Defensively, we were a shambles but I’m thinking that this may be the beginning of the end for Ferdinand.

    Other than that, what else is there to say? It went beyond a raping and was more about City making a statement in our back yard.

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    with the Monkey on this, if we are gonna get whacked, let’s get Gadaffi on this shit.

    only then will Taggart promote the youth

    i want a full media uproar, fucking public enquiry, I want Keane to go fucking ape and Bobby to slap someone

    let’s get Syria on this shit and throw Anderson in the skip, Pogba, Morrison – fast, hungry young bucks. who cares if they fuck up at least they will put a fucking shift in.

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    sheesh said:
    The worst 45 mins of football I have ever witnessed at Old Trafford. I’m not sure I can even stomach watching them play against Aldershot in mid-week.

    Hopefully, this result will mean the end of the United careers of shite like Anderson and Fletcher whose deficiencies as footballers were ruthlessly exposed by top-class opposition. I say top-class but we were so bad in the 2nd half we made them look like Barcelona.

    Defensively, we were a shambles but I’m thinking that this may be the beginning of the end for Ferdinand.

    Other than that, what else is there to say? It went beyond a raping and was more about City making a statement in our back yard.

    quality post – good to have you back

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    sidney said:
    The success isn’t going to dry up FFS it’s just bullshit sensationalism from the press

    It was only a few months ago that we apparently had the best young squad in Europe – the new busby babes

    The league can accomodate another top team because other teams drop out (Liverpool) and there are lots of trophys for us all to win

    tbf Sid, we need a furore to get the dusty old farts in the board room to listen.

    you either invest or promote the youth, what you don’t do is sit on your arse.

    this is a one of spack attack, caused by a rash decision.

    but the issue is why aren’t people putting a shift in? that is leadership, that is hunger and it seems as if either bodies are getting tired or they don’t give a shit.

    all this wank on twitter giving it the massive, next minute they get slapped up. just shut the fuck up, show hunger, desire and the will to win.

    it was a combination of lack of on field leadership, daft tactics

    … but lets not forget Sid, Citeh ruthlessly dispatched us with ease like a surgeon with a scalpel. they literally got their cocks out and pissed in our mouth. they are not to be underestimated.

  • ltel

    fuck this.. im away to kill myself

    goodbye cruel world

  • ltel

    motd tonight lads????

  • http://www.newhallmedialtd.com Calvino

    sheesh said:
    The worst 45 mins of football I have ever witnessed at Old Trafford. I’m not sure I can even stomach watching them play against Aldershot in mid-week.

    Hopefully, this result will mean the end of the United careers of shite like Anderson and Fletcher whose deficiencies as footballers were ruthlessly exposed by top-class opposition. I say top-class but we were so bad in the 2nd half we made them look like Barcelona.

    Defensively, we were a shambles but I’m thinking that this may be the beginning of the end for Ferdinand.

    Other than that, what else is there to say? It went beyond a raping and was more about City making a statement in our back yard.

    Utter rubbish!! That second half we were ONE man down. Held out till the 60th minute before they scored their second goal. Then we scored our 1 when they had scored their third. So, what are you talking about. We were not playing minnows you know. We were playing an expensive assembly of footballers to rival most in the world so what exactly were you expecting us to have done against them with ten men? What? If we had bought ALL the midfielders you people believe will save us and still have a man sent-off we will still have lost very well.

    Our manager is only to blame in that he did not shut up shop so that we could defend properly when it was still one nil. He should have taken Welbeck off and brought on Jones so that we could be tighter in midfield and still have width.

  • ltel

    agree cal.. it seems the sensible option to take wllbeck off for jones.
    in a post match interview fergie said he did not want united to keep attacking and expected rio and evra to hav the experience to keep it much tighter at the back.
    it was suicide footall at times

  • squigs

    It’s three points dropped in October, it’s not critical and there is a long way to go yet, City will probably go out and drop 2 points next week.

    Ferdinand is having his Gary Neville season this year, he looks more and more exposed every game and I have thought this for a long time. Evra looked even worse and lucky that he seemingly faces no competition at left back.

    Welbeck is never going to be quite United quality twice now he has been started against Liverpool and City, it’s not his fault but he will never be top level and should not be starting ahead of Hernandez.

  • sheesh

    Calvino said:
    Utter rubbish!! That second half we were ONE man down. Held out till the 60th minute before they scored their second goal. Then we scored our 1 when they had scored their third. So, what are you talking about. We were not playing minnows you know. We were playing an expensive assembly of footballers to rival most in the world so what exactly were you expecting us to have done against them with ten men? What? If we had bought ALL the midfielders you people believe will save us and still have a man sent-off we will still have lost very well.
    Our manager is only to blame in that he did not shut up shop so that we could defend properly when it was still one nil. He should have taken Welbeck off and brought on Jones so that we could be tighter in midfield and still have width.

    Cal, if you bothered watching the first half you would be able to tell me who gave the ball away which led to City’s attack, subsequent throw-in and subsequent goal. It was Fletcher. All Anderson offered was one shot straight at the keeper and a dolly over the City defence. That was in the first half.
    If you think Fletcher and Anderson played well in the second half, I would love to have what you’ve been smoking, mate. They were both utterly pathetic.
    These players offered little in the midfield, defensively or creatively, throughout the 90 mins.
    Look it’s all too easy to blame us losing Evans for the defeat but the simple fact is that City broke forward at will and could have scored even more goals than they did. Central midfield was non existent and without that steel in the midfield, our defence was even more exposed than it need have been.
    I agree that we should have brought Jones on. City had fucking Barry in their midfield and they still shat all over us in the second half. That’s how shit our midfield is. We went a man down in the second half and we needed our midfielders to step up to the plate. They did not do that.

  • brianofnazareth

    squigs said:
    It’s three points dropped in October, it’s not critical and there is a long way to go yet, City will probably go out and drop 2 points next week.

    Ferdinand is having his Gary Neville season this year, he looks more and more exposed every game and I have thought this for a long time. Evra looked even worse and lucky that he seemingly faces no competition at left back.

    Welbeck is never going to be quite United quality twice now he has been started against Liverpool and City, it’s not his fault but he will never be top level and should not be starting ahead of Hernandez.

    Spot on.

    Also add Evans to the Wellbeck point.

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    according to fletcher 4-1 down was the time we shouldve shut up shop

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    hold on we’re blaming welbeck for this are we

    well in there spackers

  • squigs

    He is not been blamed. I wouldn’t expect him to score 6,merely taking another opportunity to point out that he isn’t United quality and that it’s incredible that the one area where we have depth he is getting a game upfront for United.

  • http://www.newhallmedialtd.com Calvino

    Ferdinand is finished. Totally.

    What am asking you Sheesh is to tell me what we could have possibly done with a man down. Now if YOU are saying that being a man down in the 2nd minute of the second half is not to blame for this result then I will like to see what YOU are smoking. Fletcher gave the ball away for when City broke. However the first ball they played into the box was easy for Ferdinand to make a better hash of his attempted clearance instead of booting into throw just outside our box. That gave them the second wave from which they then scored.

    Our manager had a stinker starting with a midfield duo again against a three. Just like the Barca game. You are asking a lot of these two players. Toure and Barry just sat while Silva had a straight go at the Utd defence. All through the 1st half plus their goal please tell me that city did trouble us. And you say the sending-off did not nmake a difference. You surely are making jest

  • Bill

    Against the better sides we have to go in with a 3 in the middle of midfield, we simply cannot match up with 2 against a quality 3, nevermind a 2. Jones, Fletcher and Cleverley would be my choice, Rooney up top on his own. Jones and Fletcher to hold away from home, just Jones at home. If you are chasing a game you could always bring Hernandez, Berba or Welbeck on.

  • denton davey

    squigs: “Ferdinand is having his Gary Neville season this year, he looks more and more exposed every game”

    Excellent point – Rio looked worse and worse as the match wound down. By the end, he simply gave up fighting. RedNev said that when he met his Waterloo, he felt like quitting after ten minutes. I’ll be very interested to see how SAF uses Rio from now on. Same goes for Patrice Evra who gets caught out of position – in-field and up-field – too often. Any chance we’ll see a back four of Fabio/Rafael and Vidic and Smalling and Jones next Saturday ?

    In the off-season I wanted to get Schweini and/or De Rossi but even those two wouldn’t have made any difference today. In the first half, when UTD had a large share of the possession, there was no “synchro-mesh” in the attack just running into blind alleys and cul de sacs.

    I’m not big on “blessings in disguise” but usually when SAF has his back to the wall he goes younger – what are the odds that Pogba and Morrison’s ETA will get moved ahead ?

  • sheesh

    Calvino said:
    Ferdinand is finished. Totally.
    What am asking you Sheesh is to tell me what we could have possibly done with a man down. Now if YOU are saying that being a man down in the 2nd minute of the second half is not to blame for this result then I will like to see what YOU are smoking. Fletcher gave the ball away for when City broke. However the first ball they played into the box was easy for Ferdinand to make a better hash of his attempted clearance instead of booting into throw just outside our box. That gave them the second wave from which they then scored.
    Our manager had a stinker starting with a midfield duo again against a three. Just like the Barca game. You are asking a lot of these two players. Toure and Barry just sat while Silva had a straight go at the Utd defence. All through the 1st half plus their goal please tell me that city did trouble us. And you say the sending-off did not nmake a difference. You surely are making jest

    Cal, you are blaming the result solely on the sending-off – which is absurd.
    Of course, going down to 10 men had an impact, and you are right that we needed to bring Jones on, but nevertheless we should never have capitulated in the way that we did. You mean to tell me that we should blame all the 2nd half goals we conceded on Evans getting sent off? Get real. It was even more imperative when we went a man down that Anderson and Fletcher start asserting themselves.
    Fucking hell, this is the same City team that have struggled in Europe yet we made them look like Barcelona because they broke so freely. Part of this is to do with us continuing to attack feverishly but also a lot to do with Anderson and Fletcher looking lost and not putting a foot in when the City midfielders had the ball.
    Fletcher was shite against the Scousers as well. There was one instance last week when he was simply thrown off the ball and he fell to the ground like a discarded Barbie doll.

  • sheesh

    Commenter said:
    Against the better sides we have to go in with a 3 in the middle of midfield, we simply cannot match up with 2 against a quality 3, nevermind a 2. Jones, Fletcher and Cleverley would be my choice, Rooney up top on his own. Jones and Fletcher to hold away from home, just Jones at home. If you are chasing a game you could always bring Hernandez, Berba or Welbeck on.

    Agreed – because the midfielders we have aren’t good enough. We need another body in midfield to even be able to compete.

  • Bill

    I think Fergie was always going to go with Rooney + 1 upfront today, anything else would have been seen as a negative tactic at OT, and perhaps acknowledging City’s threat.

    I guess we learned the hard way! If we aren’t going to buy a midfielder then in the tough games it has to be 4-5-1.

    The other point is that there has to be question marks over Phelan as an assitant manager. He’s hardly going to have give a high level of sophistication with his tactical advice.

  • dozer

    uncleknobheadforfucksake said:
    tbf silva is an unbelievable player

    its good how we thought the best way to stop him would be to play no holding mid

    We don’t have a holding mid, do we?

  • http://www.newhallmedialtd.com Calvino

    All of you who think we buying “a quality midfielder” will solve our probs I have one question: How come City, Chelsea and Arsenal with all the talent they have NEVER play a two man central midfield? How come?

    Sheesh, we conceded those goals cos Evans was sent-off. No one can convince me otherwise.

  • han

    ltel said:
    motd tonight lads????

    id rather watch gay porn
    ie never in a million years
    but then again, watching motd tonite and seeing 11 men arse raping 10 will be the same as watching bender hardcore

  • dozer

    danniitronix said:
    not seen the game but i assume the resident Rant Top Player, “Anderson – he needs time to develop” was brilliant again in midfield, looking foward to seeing his

    - “incisive” passing
    - shooting
    - “thunderous” tackling
    - “mazy” runs
    - “hollywood” passes
    - movement
    - control and balance
    - leadership on the pitch

    and his Samba skills.

    Although I assume that he was so utterly brilliant once again that Taggart decided that he should be taken off after 66 minutes to give Jones a chance to impress.

    No, I’m open minded and will reserve taking a view until I see MOTD.

    You won’t see much on MOTD. Fletcher’s getting the blame, I don’t know why. This man is the worst footballer I’ve seen among the established ones at the club.
    Boy you should’ve seen him today – even in the first half when we played well.

    He’s a talented player, but a big misfit at United. He’s actually got a chance of doing well if he leaves.

  • han

    its how this team reacts to this that is the most important aspect of any humiliation gang bang fest in your own castle courtyard

    losing 3 fucking goals in the last 5 mins really did feel like the players had given up – that just cannot be justified against those blue cunts

    for all the huffing and puffing, we were made to look like a bunch of amateurs and ffs city are not barca by any stretch of any blue knob

    i suppose its the kids that need to be promoted but if they have to experience anything like today, they will be fucked up big time

  • dozer

    madredmonkey said:
    Its taken me three hours to calm down, but i now think that this result may be a blessing in disguise, now the players will have to look at themselves, we need two top class midfielders, goes without saying , Evans is not good enough, why Sir Alex left Jones on the bench, i don’t know why, Anderson is never going to be good enough , and we worst thing of all is that the team gave up right at the end, that can never be accepted.

    He left Jones out because the man can’t defend. Evans is currently the better defender – still, although I do think Jones is tremendously talented, but very young and raw at the moment.
    I’d prefer United’s line up be
    |Fabio/Rafael — Rio/Smalling — Vidic/Smalling — Evra|
    with Evans and Jones as backups in that order. Smalling is a very solid defender and he’s wasted at right back.

    Sir Ryan Giggs? No no no. Sir Paul Scholes say.

  • http://www.newhallmedialtd.com Calvino

    han,
    why are you guys so freely blaming the players? The instructions from the bench did not make it possible for them to play differently. If immediately Evans got sent off the manager brought on Jones and Valencia and told them to tell everyone to keep it tight do you think they would have gone on chasing the game? For fifteen minutes after Evans got sent-off we still had Rooney, Welbeck, Nani, Young, Fletcher and Anderson on the pitch! Evra was still attempting to go beyond Young as was Fltecher on Nani on the other side. However, we could have made those changes and then set up a barricade in midfield and asked City to come score more if they want then take our chance/s if we get any on set-pieces. That was what 85% of other coaches/managers would have done. But that idiot Phelan did not have the nerve to tell his Boss that we needed to be compact. Bear in mind that we had started the match with badly in terms of tactics with a two man central midfield to their three.

    BY THE WAY: WHO IS ANSWERING MY QUESTION ON HOW COME CITY, CHELSEA AND ARSENAL STILL PLAY A THREE MAN MIDFIELD DESPITE ALL THE TALENT THEY HAVE. Come on you lot who believe that there is ONE magic midfielder who would have gotten a kick out of the way City lined-up today after we went a man down.

  • chocolatteballs

    I think we play 3 in midfield away in Europe and although we don’t concede much we play horrible football without flair , imagination or anything resembling quality. Anders,fletch and catrick are just as bad in that formation.

    Respect your opinion Cal but don’t you want us to sign two one or two quality midfielders so that we can play any formation?

  • dozer

    Carrick I think is a top player who does his job well. People expecting him to be Roy Keane were disappointed.

    Fergie screwed up. He firstly has over-estimated our midfield and should’ve been more cautious after the sending off. He seemed to blame the players, but isn’t that his job?

  • han

    the 470 million quid that the glazers shoved in their pockets over the past 5 years would have made a fantastic war chest for the club to raid in the transfer window – much as i hate to admit it, but mancini is looking a decent manager with that money available to him and those egotistical players playing for him – and shows humility too which is a refreshing change to a lot of others in the premier league.

    Phelan looks totally out of his depth too – no answers to this debacle; SAF cannot do everything on his own in spite of his obvious passion – he is just not young enough and if this defeat and the capitulation hurts the players as much as it did him and us the fans, then united will still do well

    i guess all things have to end eventually – just hurts all the more when it comes against the blue cunts

  • dozer

    Why is Phelan being blamed, surely SAF holds the main responsibility?

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    it’s a one off slapping but it shouldn’t mask the problems we have always had in midfield. a ball winning terrier who can hammer, toil and lead.

    when you have three cunts like rooney, tevez and ronaldo with a defence of vida, rio and VDS, that would make you can get away with an average midfield but not anymore.

    we need reform and january won’t help either. promote or fucking get the whip out and kick the fuck out of anderson

    seriously, fletcher, nani and rooney should go to a corner at carrington and fucking slap the cunt and tell him to put a shift in.

  • RobDiablo

    chocolatteballs said:
    I think we play 3 in midfield away in Europe and although we don’t concede much we play horrible football without flair , imagination or anything resembling quality..

    The same could be said about the quality of United’s attack in any game against an opponent with a well organized defense: West Brom, Stoke, and Norwich for example. In today’s match, I did not see a single decent cross come in from the wingers in the first half. When Young wasn’t being cynically fouled, he did manage to beat Richards on a couple of occasions, but all of his crosses went wildly astray. Still, he did much better than Nani, who couldn’t beat his man and, so, did not get in any crosses at all. Valencia seems to be a better crosser of the ball, but isn’t usually selected. No imagination in the centre of midfield plus nothing coming in from the wings makes for a very ordinary attack.

  • Bill

    4-4-2 is simply an outdated formation at the highest level. In the past we might have been able to buy the players to make it work, but due to the evolution of tactics and our lack of spending power it just won’t work against decent sides. I would rather us play badly and draw at the likes of Anfield or against City in a 4-5-1 than go 4-4-2, be exciting and lose!

  • Bill

    Phelan is bringing nothing to the party at all. The likes of Quieroz and McLaren clearly did. Phelan’s only there still because no one would have him as manager.

  • sheesh

    I saw some of the United v Norwich game whilst in India. We had Anderson and Fletcher playing in that game as well and they were shite. Norwich should have scored at least 2 goals against us. I was amazed they were able to attack us in the way did…then again, I shouldn’t have been with those 2 clowns in the middle.

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    when we go three in the middle carrick should obivously play, he’s the only who even resembles a holder. I don’t won’t jones tied down with tha bollocks while fletchers free to ruin our attacks

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    Anderson nearly gave a penalty away and was to blame for the second goal – I assume he was his usual gormless twatish self for the rest of the time. The way he just wanders around like a pissed up duck waddling around the park is quite funny.

    We shldn’t blame fletch – great goal and as usual has to mop up after anderson.

    HOWEVER, Rio was a disgrace. Uninterested, bored, tired, complacent, thinking about tweeting, his clothing line, his magasine, his new rap record. Lack of leadership, ambition and actually bollocks.

    I’m shocked that Rio was the worst united player and Ando was on the pitch.

    I think Rio is amazing but even I can see that today he decided to check out.

    Cunt gives it large on twitter then plays and acts like that. Fuck off with your Robbie Savage Strictly Come Dancing tweets – you get 120k a week to fucking focus on United, not cocking about.

    A sad day indeed but Taggart will crack his thick head.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    “buurrrp”… “hic”…

  • RobDiablo

    danniitronix said:
    Anderson nearly gave a penalty away and was to blame for the second goal – I assume he was his usual gormless twatish self for the rest of the time. The way he just wanders around like a pissed up duck waddling around the park is quite funny.

    We shldn’t blame fletch – great goal and as usual has to mop up after anderson.

    HOWEVER, Rio was a disgrace. Uninterested, bored, tired, complacent, thinking about tweeting, his clothing line, his magasine, his new rap record. Lack of leadership, ambition and actually bollocks.

    I’m shocked that Rio was the worst united player and Ando was on the pitch.

    I think Rio is amazing but even I can see that today he decided to check out.

    Cunt gives it large on twitter then plays and acts like that. Fuck off with your Robbie Savage Strictly Come Dancing tweets – you get 120k a week to fucking focus on United, not cocking about.

    A sad day indeed but Taggart will crack his thick head.

    Time to sell Rio to some MLS club, perhaps. I think he’d like it over here; he could bring his iPhone on the field and tweet to his heart’s content during matches and still be one of the better defenders in the league.

    As for Anderson… Let’s imagine that instead of Scholes coming through with the original Fergie’s Fledglings, it was Anderson. How many games would Anderson have played before either Keane or Cantona killed him? Trick question, actually, because Butt would have been partnering Keane in midfield.

  • Just1n

    danniitronix said:
    Anderson nearly gave a penalty away and was to blame for the second goal – I assume he was his usual gormless twatish self for the rest of the time. The way he just wanders around like a pissed up duck waddling around the park is quite funny.

    We shldn’t blame fletch – great goal and as usual has to mop up after anderson.

    HOWEVER, Rio was a disgrace. Uninterested, bored, tired, complacent, thinking about tweeting, his clothing line, his magasine, his new rap record. Lack of leadership, ambition and actually bollocks.

    I’m shocked that Rio was the worst united player and Ando was on the pitch.

    I think Rio is amazing but even I can see that today he decided to check out.

    Cunt gives it large on twitter then plays and acts like that. Fuck off with your Robbie Savage Strictly Come Dancing tweets – you get 120k a week to fucking focus on United, not cocking about.

    A sad day indeed but Taggart will crack his thick head.

    After Anderson got subbed we let in another 4 goals. Guess he is to blame for that as well.

  • RobDiablo

    Just1n said:
    After Anderson got subbed we let in another 4 goals. Guess he is to blame for that as well.

    Is it just possible that City brought on fresh attackers – Dzeko and Nasri – to play against a tired, shorthanded, and dispirited United side, and that somehow contributed to the additional goals?
    EDIT: my point being that the late scoring neither proves nor disproves that Anderson was shit.

  • reddread

    I don’t know what you lot are all talking about. There was no football today. We had a weekend off, didn’t we?

  • sheesh

    Thank God I am on annual leave from work for a week. Perfect timing considering the office is full of City fans. I will still cop a load of stick but it should be a bit more bearable when I return.

  • Just1n

    RobDiablo said:
    Is it just possible that City brought on fresh attackers – Dzeko and Nasri – to play against a tired, shorthanded, and dispirited United side, and that somehow contributed to the additional goals?

    EDIT: my point being that the late scoring neither proves nor disproves that Anderson was shit.

    Sure it does not prove anything.

    Im just tired of Danni spinning the same tune. Im pretty sure if Anderson was a sub he would still be blamed for something even if he did not play.

  • denton davey

    Rob Diablo “he [Young] did much better than Nani, who couldn’t beat his man and, so, did not get in any crosses at all. Valencia seems to be a better crosser of the ball, but isn’t usually selected.”

    This is an incredibly short-sighted view of Nani’s contribution – you could have said the same about his play in the first 60 minutes in Rumania but he then proceeded to be the star of the last 30 minutes. A player like Nani is ALWAYS going to be “inconsistent” – sometimes the magic works, sometimes it doesn’t. Usually, he eats Gael Clichy’s lunch; today he was taken off before he stepped up to the plate. The notion that Valencia is a “better crosser” is just plain weird – Nani has been the main contributor (in terms of assists) for almost two years. In comparison, Valencia is one-footed, one-speed and much more easily controlled by a quality defender.

  • RobDiablo

    Commenter said:
    Rob Diablo “he [Young] did much better than Nani, who couldn’t beat his man and, so, did not get in any crosses at all. Valencia seems to be a better crosser of the ball, but isn’t usually selected.”

    This is an incredibly short-sighted view of Nani’s contribution – you could have said the same about his play in the first 60 minutes in Rumania but he then proceeded to be the star of the last 30 minutes. A player like Nani is ALWAYS going to be “inconsistent” – sometimes the magic works, sometimes it doesn’t. Usually, he eats Gael Clichy’s lunch; today he was taken off before he stepped up to the plate. The notion that Valencia is a “better crosser” is just plain weird – Nani has been the main contributor (in terms of assists) for almost two years. In comparison, Valencia is one-footed, one-speed and much more easily controlled by a quality defender.

    My comments were not meant as a call to replace Nani with Valencia in the starting XI; I was merely pointing out that on a day when Young couldn’t hit a cross into the box and Nani couldn’t cross at all, having two mediocre plodders in centre midfield can make if difficult for even the very best strikers to shine. Nani was not having a good day by his standards, and I would have considered subbing him off for Valencia in order to try to get something going.

    It is precisely because the midfield is so poor that opponents can commit extra players to shutting down Young and Nani. United have only had three good games in the EPL: Spurs, Arsenal, and Bolton, all three of which attacked United. All of the other sides have made United work for the few goals they have scored by organizing their defense, inviting United to come on to them, and then countering when there is a turnover. This tactic works because United have no creativity in midfield, so play tends to go down the wings, bringing the fullbacks into the final third, so, when United lose the ball, Evra, Smalling, Fletcher, and (if he can be bothered) Anderson are all scrambling to get back to defend. Cheatski, Norwich, and Liverpool were unable to make the most of their chances, but City cashed in on almost all of theirs.

  • madmax

    Cal,
    With only 2 in the midfield we dominated possession in the first half. Seriously how would having 3 in midfield improved that? Quality mattered at that time. We had fuck all creativity from the central midfielders and wank crosses from the wingers. At one point Rooney and Wellbeck had dropped deeper than Anderson and Fletcher. If we had a quality midfielder we could have made that possession count. That would have opened up the game.

    If we had an extra midfielder probably we too would have sat back and played a cagey game trying to nick a goal. Clearly Fergie didn’t want that shite in our home game.
    All the big teams play 3 in midfield but they have atleast one fantastic attacking player. Who have we got? Drop Wellbeck for 3 in Midfield and the only player in the team who can see a pass gets isolated, frustrated, pissed off and puts in a transfer request.

  • brianofnazareth

    Same old story for a while now, shit midfield.

    Until Fergie changes his ” No value ” bullshit then we’re going to be stuck like that.

    Also, I still really hate Evans. Cunt.

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    Just1n said:
    Sure it does not prove anything.

    Im just tired of Danni spinning the same tune. Im pretty sure if Anderson was a sub he would still be blamed for something even if he did not play.

    but what does he do? what the fuck does he do / has he done for four years? i have no idea what you see in him.

    if he was shit and put a shift in and at least tried to tackle then yes you could say alright, at least he has the Alan Smith, at least he runs about trying to make a tackle or close down space but he does nothing – just watch him aimlessly wander around.

    you take the piss out of fletcher yet if you compare four years of fletcher, hell even carrick, then you realise how utterly turd Anderson has been.

    let’s take it further, compare him to his best friend – the other young brazilian international Lucas who Benny Hill Benitez bought for 6m and after 3 years of lots of running around and no end product, is actually doing well at the scouse.

    6m for Lucas – 18m for Anderson and although Lucas may be technically shitter then Anderson, he is far better in application, effort, energy and desire.

    like I said, he needs the shit kicked out of him for being a fat, overpaid, lazy work shy money grabbing twurp

    if you need time to settle in fine but at least make an effort to tackle and close down space.

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    RobDiablo said:
    Time to sell Rio to some MLS club, perhaps. I think he’d like it over here; he could bring his iPhone on the field and tweet to his heart’s content during matches and still be one of the better defenders in the league.

    As for Anderson… Let’s imagine that instead of Scholes coming through with the original Fergie’s Fledglings, it was Anderson. How many games would Anderson have played before either Keane or Cantona killed him? Trick question, actually, because Butt would have been partnering Keane in midfield.

    agreed on all counts, didn’t Harry Rednob want him early this season? Lnd is probably a better option, he can hang out with Ashley, “Lamps” and Big John Terry plus further his recording career. what a joker – all we ask for his committment to the cause.

  • Bill

    Lets be fair, Anderson was very poor yesterday and just isn’t up to the task of starting for United week in week out.

  • captainhormone

    Thing that angers me the most, and this is aimed at fans and fergie too, is that even the purchases of Parker and Barton WOULD have improved us greatly.

    Laugh all you want but for a top side we have the worst midfield in europe out if the elite clubs

    Spurs, Liverpool and Everton have a better middle than us….and for 7 million we could have stopped some of the rot.

    No “value” and no point wanting to improve something we clearly cannot afford too improve. Fergie has had years to do so, but has chosen not too.

    It’s laughable and bollocks to think we can carry on like this.

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    its astonishing he’s not even tried to sign some experienced types whod tide us over while he continues failing to find a proper top cm, like arsenal have done with arteta and chelsea mereles

  • captainhormone

    …and that is exactly my point…those 2 are no De Rossi, Sneijder etc or Schweinsteiger, but they are better than what we have and for a couple of years would have kept us as contenders…on top of that playing for United would arguably improved them as players too…..Barton was free ffs…..

    incredible

  • sheesh

    After all these years, I am sure fergie must have an idea of who is available. He just doesn’t want to spend money seemingly because he doesn’t recognise a problem with midfield.

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    agreed on barton and parker – at least as good if not better than what we currently have. and more to the point, actually leaders with application, effort and desire.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    Just1n said:
    Sure it does not prove anything.
    Im just tired of Danni spinning the same tune. Im pretty sure if Anderson was a sub he would still be blamed for something even if he did not play.

    But he’s right.
    We spent a bundle on him, and were told that he was something to get well excited about. And his first season showed promise…
    But he’s been complete gash ever since… every once in a while, he shows flashes of something to suggest that there really is some talent there… but there just isn’t the graft and application to maintain any great form, and he certainly doesn’t seem to be improving.
    I’m with Dannii 100%… OUT!

    “Badges, to god-damned hell with badges! We have no badges. In fact, we don’t need badges. I don’t have to show you any stinking badges, you god-damned cabrón and ching’ tu madre! Come out from that shit-hole of yours. I have to speak to you.”

  • Just1n

    danniitronix said:
    but what does he do? what the fuck does he do / has he done for four years? i have no idea what you see in him.

    if he was shit and put a shift in and at least tried to tackle then yes you could say alright, at least he has the Alan Smith, at least he runs about trying to make a tackle or close down space but he does nothing – just watch him aimlessly wander around.

    you take the piss out of fletcher yet if you compare four years of fletcher, hell even carrick, then you realise how utterly turd Anderson has been.

    let’s take it further, compare him to his best friend – the other young brazilian international Lucas who Benny Hill Benitez bought for 6m and after 3 years of lots of running around and no end product, is actually doing well at the scouse.

    6m for Lucas – 18m for Anderson and although Lucas may be technically shitter then Anderson, he is far better in application, effort, energy and desire.

    like I said, he needs the shit kicked out of him for being a fat, overpaid, lazy work shy money grabbing twurp

    if you need time to settle in fine but at least make an effort to tackle and close down space.

    Anderson was signed as an attacking player. Not everyone has to run around and make tackles like Fletcher. when Anderson gets the ball i see a player who drives forward with the ball and tries to lay it off to the wing or other forward players (admittedly not always successful) If we signed a proper DM who does the donkey work then players like Anderson wont have to worry about tracking back. Thats not what he was signed for.

    I dont get Fergie. He signs a Center Back and then plays them at full back. He signs a striker and plays them on the wing. He signs attacking mids then ask them to defend. Why not just sign a player who is the best at his chosen position like we used to.

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    andersons got talent, but he’s not a midfielder, and he’s not talented enough to challenge for rooneys position, and he’s not a prem player, should never have been signed if we didn’t know what to do with him, which four years on we clearly don’t, quieroz impulse buy

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    Just1n said:
    Anderson was signed as an attacking player. Not everyone has to run around and make tackles like Fletcher. when Anderson gets the ball i see a player who drives forward with the ball and tries to lay it off to the wing or other forward players (admittedly not always successful) If we signed a proper DM who does the donkey work then players like Anderson wont have to worry about tracking back. Thats not what he was signed for.

    I dont get Fergie. He signs a Center Back and then plays them at full back. He signs a striker and plays them on the wing. He signs attacking mids then ask them to defend. Why not just sign a player who is the best at his chosen position like we used to.

    Jay, this is where I take issue – even if he wasn’t mean’t to tackle, cover space, block, intercept, win the ball – he simply does not do what he is supposed to.

    Honestly, he does not make mazy driving runs on a consistent basis and one which reaps results. He never puts pressure on a defence, he never turns a defender or midfielder around with his runs.

    Has very rarely dribbles past players with silky skills.

    He just does not do what you think he does – it’s all a fiction.

    Ryan Giggs in midfield drives foward and creates more than Anderson.

    I’m open minded and looking for reasons as to what his contribution is but he offers close to nothing.

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    he dribbles it out of trouble alright when he’s playing well then loses his head when he approaches the las third

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    according to talksport that possebon we let go is going to milan

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    a holding midfielder

  • RobDiablo

    Just1n said:
    Anderson was signed as an attacking player. Not everyone has to run around and make tackles like Fletcher. when Anderson gets the ball i see a player who drives forward with the ball and tries to lay it off to the wing or other forward players (admittedly not always successful) If we signed a proper DM who does the donkey work then players like Anderson wont have to worry about tracking back. Thats not what he was signed for.

    I beg to differ on those last two points. Giggs, Scholes, and Beckham all defended – and they had Keane in the center. Unless Anderson can start to have the kind of effect on United’s offense that Ronaldo had, I am unwilling to exempt him from his defensive responsibilities.

  • http://www.newhallmedialtd.com Calvino

    Football has moved on. 442 is dead and buried yet a lot of you are there thinking of the days of Roy Keane. Keane would be destroyed today if he had to play alongside one other in central midfield against the likes of City and Chelsea and barcelona.

    We need someone else to make SAF see it too. If Rooney wants to leave cos he might be asked to play in the position that got him his best ever season tally of goals then more the fool him. No top team plays a central midfield duo and yet all I keep hearing/reading is that we should have signed a top midifelder. true. However, if we had started that game yesterday with carrick and alongside the two that did start we would have been better balanced. Anderson would have been further up. The manager knows this and just like last may and wembley he dug a hole for his players to fall into.

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    also can people stop talking about this brilliant opening spell he supposedly had when he first came, it didn’t happen

    and don’t fucking bring up gerrard

    the spell he had last season when he scored against valencia and schalke before turning to shite again once hed signed the deal is his best for us, lasted probably six games

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    don’t bring up fabregas either

  • RobDiablo

    Calvino said:
    Football has moved on. 442 is dead and buried yet a lot of you are there thinking of the days of Roy Keane. Keane would be destroyed today if he had to play alongside one other in central midfield against the likes of City and Chelsea and barcelona.

    You are confusing two separate issues. A Roy Keane playing for United today would be hell-on-wheels in either a 4-4-2 or a 4-3-3 formation (it is up to the manager to pick the right one), but we currently don’t have anyone as good as Nicky Butt was, so United’s midfield sucks in both of those configurations.
    Also, you might want to rethink your signature; there are at least four mistakes in it.

  • han

    sheesh said:
    Thank God I am on annual leave from work for a week. Perfect timing considering the office is full of City fans. I will still cop a load of stick but it should be a bit more bearable when I return.

    where the fuck do u work? stockport?
    and more importantly, why work in a fucking council house full of blue cunts?

  • han

    captainhormone said:
    Thing that angers me the most, and this is aimed at fans and fergie too, is that even the purchases of Parker and Barton WOULD have improved us greatly.

    Laugh all you want but for a top side we have the worst midfield in europe out if the elite clubs

    Spurs, Liverpool and Everton have a better middle than us….and for 7 million we could have stopped some of the rot.

    No “value” and no point wanting to improve something we clearly cannot afford too improve. Fergie has had years to do so, but has chosen not too.

    It’s laughable and bollocks to think we can carry on like this.

    cap’n
    i salute u
    hit nail on unc’s head
    i’m sure i said something similar before the window closed but obviously was laughed out of rant
    our midfield problems have been apparent for the past 2 seasons with scholes well past it and yet nowt has been done – we have ridden our luck far too many times with the bollocks we have had and yet even when a decent player is available, he seems to slip away for 1 reason or another which is usually down to the no value shite
    anderson is too light and carrick is clueless; fletch has never been the same since the virus bout he had and even park is showing signs of carricktitus
    i still am fucked about yesterday but as i said previously, its how the players in their ivory mansions react that is the most important thing now

  • sheesh

    han said:
    where the fuck do u work? stockport?
    and more importantly, why work in a fucking council house full of blue cunts?

    Not Stockport but, without going into detail on a football forum, not a million miles from there.

  • sidney

    uncleknobheadforfucksake said:
    he dribbles it out of trouble alright when he’s playing well then loses his head when he approaches the las third

    We dominated possession in the first half, but Fletcher and Anderson couldn’t unpick the defence because they’re hopeless. Neither could any of our forwards because they were fucking wank too
    We really missed Scholes’ play on the edge of the area… and Gibson’s 1 in a hundred belters
    Although Anderson and Cleverley managed to in the Charity Shield. That second goal was great
    But yeah, if Ando was good enough there would be no debate surrounding him. His name would automatically be on the team sheet ala Keane, Scholes, Rooney etc.

  • Just1n

    danniitronix said:
    Jay, this is where I take issue – even if he wasn’t mean’t to tackle, cover space, block, intercept, win the ball – he simply does not do what he is supposed to.

    Honestly, he does not make mazy driving runs on a consistent basis and one which reaps results. He never puts pressure on a defence, he never turns a defender or midfielder around with his runs.

    Has very rarely dribbles past players with silky skills.

    He just does not do what you think he does – it’s all a fiction.

    Ryan Giggs in midfield drives foward and creates more than Anderson.

    I’m open minded and looking for reasons as to what his contribution is but he offers close to nothing.

    Fair enough. I am probably viewing through Anderson tinted specs. In a game where Evra’s side allowed in 4 goals and Rio was thinking about the NFL and Nani did fuckall in an attacking sense and even less defending and when Young failed to beat the fullback once the whole fucking game and cannot cross with his left foot we blame Anderson for not been a hybrid of Keane and Scholes.

    We will never find replacements for those players. If we had a proper DM and played 3 in midfield we will already be harder to beat.

    Im with Cal. 442 is dead. Unless you find 2 monsters like Keane and Robson, or Keane and Ince.

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    No, I blame Anderson for being shit at everything, you name it he is just Mr. Average –

    Sandro, Song, Lucas, Ramires – all of which are young and upcoming midfielders have played in the EPL for less time would rip the lumbering buffoon for ages.

    Lucas, ffs! That bag of arse wld blow Anderson to peices!

    Also, I just don’t buy this Fletcher Anderson domination, it is Fletcher who tackles, wins space, and drives the midfields. Faced with a lazy shit next to him no wonder he burns out by 60 mins.

    You talk about driving runs, did you see Fletcher’s driving run and his wonderfully executed 1-2, BANG goal!

    Ffs, this is Fletcher, one of the most unskilful players ever to play in midfield, yet for what he hasn’t got in skill he makes up with application and force of will – and actually getting stuck in.

    Like I said, Rooney and Evra should just smash is teeth in and let him know that he needs to get his finger out of his arse and start pulling his weight.

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    danni you give fletcher too much slack, everything about the team has gone to shite since he started playing ahead of scholes on a regular basis in 08 because hed moaned hed leave if he didn’t get more games and fergie shat himself at the thought of his bastard son finding his level at bolton,

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    that’s bollocks Nobby – no one is giving anyone any slack – I just said he has very little skill in comparison with most but he fucking clocks in and puts his cock on the block.

    fuck fergie if he got blackmailed by fletcher, if he didn’t like him, Sunderland could have got him – that’s taggart’s fault not his.

    this is all taggart’s fault – being a stubborn gobshite.

  • http://www.newhallmedialtd.com Calvino

    Knobby,
    get right lost. Fletcher has been our most consistent performer in midfield for years.

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    so our football didn’t become instantly worse when he became a regular after we won the cl, even this season the minute he replaced clev in the team look how shite we’ve become

  • sheesh

    Cal wants Fergie to give Fletcher the captain’s armband.

    Hey Cal, please put your original signature back up. I want to see which players you originally thought were the future of United. Nani, Anderson, da Silvas, Fletcher….and I’m sure Gibson was in there as well.

  • RobDiablo

    sheesh said:
    Cal wants Fergie to give Fletcher the captain’s armband.
    Hey Cal, please put your original signature back up. I want to see which players you originally thought were the future of United. Nani, Anderson, da Silvas, Fletcher….and I’m sure Gibson was in there as well.

    It went something like this: Nani, Anderson, Gibson, Chicharito, and the Da Silvas are the future of United; Neville, Scholes, and Giggs need to retire now; give the captain’s armband to Fletcher. The references to Neville, Scholes, Fletcher, and Gibson are the four mistakes I referred to in my comment. For myself, I would add Anderson, and the twins are headed in that direction.

  • han

    Commenter said:
    Lets be fair, Anderson was very poor yesterday and just isn’t up to the task of starting for United week in week out.

    monster munch fucker

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    all of our best spells in the last three years have come when fletcher has been out of the team, see the end of last season with giggs and carrick in cm as another example off the top of my head, isn’t a coincidence clearly