United Rant Live: Liverpool v United

Liverpool versus Manchester United is the biggest game of the season at any time, but an FA Cup game at Anfield, with 5,000 travelling Old Trafford regulars, and all the drama surrounding Patrice Evra, means this fixture has an extra dimension.

For the second time on United Rant, the podcast regulars will be live blogging a game this season. Join in on the comments below or Tweet us. Paul – @UtdRantCast and Ed – @unitedrant.

The game kicks off at Anfield on Saturday, 28 January 2012, 12.45pm GMT. We’ll be with you around 45 minutes before the whistle!

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  1. uncleknobheadffsuncleknobheadforfucksake says

    last time we played well at anfield quinton fortune played

    we’re always less up for it we always get outworked and generally always outplayed win or lose

  2. says

    Well, it does not matter how we play tomorrow in my view as long as we win. SAF is currently playing a blinder by not telling who is fit or not. Keep them in suspense and let’s go win this and move on.

    We will win this and then beat Stoke and then go ahead and beat Chelsea even though Torres will score. We are Manchester United. We do what we like.

  3. han says

    get in what exactly?
    his and your straitjackets?
    wow, that is some optimism there
    i’ll be happy with a draw and bring them back to OT

  4. Dinkinflicker says

    This is almost certainly the beer talking, but I think we’re going to put in our best performance at anfield for years and absolutely dick ‘em.

  5. Brisbane Red says

    The scouters will tire second half & then we”ll do them.

    Not felt so confident in the team for months.

    No beer talk just we “ll win. Only job we must do is make sure Gerard doesn’t make himself the one man warrior.

  6. ltel says

    unconfirmed team.. De gea, rafael, smallin, evans, evra, valencia, carrick, gigs, scholes, park and welbz

    were in trouble if its true

  7. DeadRevel says

    “Dimitar Berbatov is the one who is being ignored by everyone but he will always give you something different.””

    lol… Surely Ferguson is aware of the irony. I dont understand why he’s even giving him a contract if he’s never going to play him.

  8. han says

    that is a crazy team
    scholes will not last 45 mins and it is total madness leaving berbs out of the starting 11 with the injuries we have
    still wtf do i know

  9. madredmonkeymadredmonkey says

    Man Utd
    01 De Gea
    03 Evra
    06 Evans
    12 Smalling
    21 Rafael
    11 Giggs
    13 Park Ji-sung
    16 Carrick
    22 Scholes
    25 Valencia
    19 Welbeck

    Substitutes
    34 Lindegaard,
    05 Ferdinand,
    20 Fabio Da Silva,
    38 Keane,
    42 Pogba,
    09 Berbatov,
    14 Hernandez

  10. sheesh says

    han said:
    that is a crazy team
    scholes will not last 45 mins and it is total madness leaving berbs out of the starting 11 with the injuries we have
    still wtf do i know

    With giggs and scholes in the team i think we will lose. We will either concede a penalty or someone will get sent off today.

  11. DeadRevel says

    Was half expecting Ravel Morrison to be on the bench considering his performance against Liverpool in the Youth Cup.

  12. han says

    winning today would be a bonus
    a draw is achievable even with the team SAF has fielded
    still, knocking them out would be sweet on their patch

  13. han says

    Commenter said:
    Was half expecting Ravel Morrison to be on the bench considering his performance against Liverpool in the Youth Cup.

    he is destined elsewhere

    • DeadRevel says

      Yeah probably. But it might have changed his mind to be involved in a game like this. He certainly relished the rivalry last year.

  14. sheesh says

    han said:
    itv are getting more like sky every time they show a live match
    full of hype and hot air

    Sky do go over the top with hyping up matches but the actual coverage is good imo. I like the different pundits. Tyler is a better commentator than drury or tyldesley.

    Oh well here we go. Come on lads.

  15. Alfonso BedoyaAlfonso Bedoya says

    Strange team… I just don’t know…

    If we’re on a good day, we might pass them off the pitch… but if we have a boner… there just isn’t the legs in this team for a grafting result.

    I think we’re going to get slaughtered in midfield if Scholes and Giggs don’t have awesome games.

  16. Alfonso BedoyaAlfonso Bedoya says

    Calvino said:
    Honestly what is the point of Rio Ferdinand again these days!! Big game and he is only good enough for the bench.

    Experience Cal… we’ll need lots of it today.

  17. DamnedUnited says

    Funny to hear the Anfiled crowd booing Evra while the sideboards are screaming to ‘Kick Racism Out of Football’.

  18. brianofnazarethbrianofnazareth says

    sheesh said:
    Its been shit. Hardly any chances. We have fuck all penetration.

    This.

    I’m not a Wellbeck fan…should have started with Hernandez.

  19. sheesh says

    brianofnazareth said:
    This.

    I’m not a Wellbeck fan…should have started with Hernandez.

    And what would he have done with sod all service?

  20. dozer says

    enrique getting his arse raped by Valencia and Rafael. Fergie should play him, a natural full back more, rather than a centre back and a poor center back there.
    The guts on those twins is something else, perhaps the bravest footballers in the club.
    Gerrard looked like he was about to lunge a two footed, but Rafael won the ball and it wasn’t a blind clearance too.

    Sir Ryan Giggs? No no no. Sir Paul Scholes say.

  21. Sidsidney says

    Other than the corner fuck up that was a decent half

    When was the last time we dominated the ball so comfortably at Klanfield?

  22. ltel says

    sidney said:
    Giggs, Carrick and Scholes with a combined age of 198 are actually dominating the ball at Anfield

    fuck they are old….66 years of age each

  23. sheesh says

    sidney said:
    Other than the corner fuck up that was a decent half

    When was the last time we dominated the ball so comfortably at Klanfield?

    Its all very well having lots of possession but if you don’t do anything with it whats the point?

  24. DamnedUnited says

    Martin Atkinson was supposed to be the referee today? Are the FA mad?

    Never mind, I’m sure he’ll referee his favourite team’s match at Stamford Bridge against United.

  25. ltel says

    Alfonso Bedoya said:
    Has Scholes misplaced even one pass yet?

    75 – Paul Scholes made 75 passes in the first half v Liverpool, completing 73 of them (97%). Master.

  26. han says

    great passing making liverpool look poor
    continue that and they will tire after 70 mins
    bellend will come on no doubt to exert some energy but have to be pleased with that half
    de gea was culpable with that goal though

  27. sheesh says

    I’m prepared to give de gea the benefit of a season to bed in but it does worry me that he looks vulnerable at set pieces.

    Surely a keeper should be able to deal with set pieces?

  28. Sidsidney says

    sheesh said:
    Its all very well having lots of possession but if you don’t do anything with it whats the point?

    But we did something with it, we scored

    You can’t have too much possession away from home – especially at Anfield. They can’t hurt you if they haven’t got the ball

    Second half will be interesting because I doubt Scholes will do 90 minutes, so we might go 442 after 60/65 minutes and bring another striker on. That is unless Park switches to the middle, in which case someone has to die

  29. kramer says

    we’re comfortably the better team. if the players keep their heads, and one of scholes/giggs is taken off in a bit, we should win this.

  30. sheesh says

    sidney said:
    But we did something with it, we scored

    You can’t have too much possession away from home – especially at Anfield. They can’t hurt you if they haven’t got the ball

    Second half will be interesting because I doubt Scholes will do 90 minutes, so we might go 442 after 60/65 minutes and bring another striker on. That is unless Park switches to the middle, in which case someone has to die

    True. Game has opened up.

  31. Sidsidney says

    Downing puts in hundreds of average balls into the box

    Giggs puts in one or two a game when he drifts out wide, and they’re all belters

  32. Dinkinflicker says

    Those changes will make the scousers stronger and DeGea looks like he’ll give them another goal at some point.

  33. Dinkinflicker says

    I’ve got a feeling we’ve had our period of control and the dippers will be on top for the last 25 mins.

  34. Sidsidney says

    Dinkinflicker said:
    I’ve got a feeling we’ve had our period of control and the dippers will be on top for the last 25 mins.

    You’d think so this being their Cup final and all

    Problem for Fergie is 451 isn’t dominating the ball in the way it was

    So do we go 442 and open it up, or try and hang on and nick one

  35. brianofnazarethbrianofnazareth says

    We are fucking shocking.

    I’m sorry we are just not clinical enough, Welbeck is nowhere near good enough. For all Giggs’s experience he can produce moments of utter shit.Our defence is not good enough.

    I hate Kyunt to! horrible afterbirth.

  36. brianofnazarethbrianofnazareth says

    I feel sick. I fucking hate Liverpool more than any other club.

    We are very poor quality these days and it’s all on Fergie taking his eye off the ball.

  37. says

    brianofnazareth said:
    JOHNNY FUCKING EVANS!!! I HATE YOU CUNT.

    Nothing to do with Johnny here. Evra was ball watching. Unforgivable. Liverpool have done nothing to win this game and they have ..

  38. Dinkinflicker says

    brianofnazareth said:
    Our attacking play is the equivalent to Wigan’s.

    It’s shit defending that cost us. Two proper fucking schoolboy goals to concede.

  39. Alfonso BedoyaAlfonso Bedoya says

    Calvino said:
    Evra’s cost us this game.

    Bit harsh Cal… he might have been caught out of position, but we’re a team on the attack, trying to win it…

    We gave them a good game, and if we’d have had Rooney and/or Nani fit… I think we win that game easily.

  40. han says

    played well in the 1st half but lost focus 2nd half
    lucky route 1 for their second goal but evra was out of position for that tbf and de gea just doesnt look like he knows when to stay on or move away from his line

  41. brianofnazarethbrianofnazareth says

    Calvino said:
    Nothing to do with Johnny here. Evra was ball watching. Unforgivable. Liverpool have done nothing to win this game and they have ..

    Evans was thrown the ball for 2 yards away and could control it. Not good enough Cal. Simple.

  42. baggio365 says

    that sucks. we made too many basic errors.

    the experienced players let us down.

    and playing welbeck as a lone striker was a mistake. should have started with berba

  43. brianofnazarethbrianofnazareth says

    Dinkinflicker said:
    It’s shit defending that cost us. Two proper fucking schoolboy goals to concede.

    We hardly made Pepe get his shirt dirty. Welbeck will never be good enough to lead our line.

  44. DeadRevel says

    Liverpool were shite today and we completely dominated. That’s football.

    Yeah fuck off brian. Welbeck was poor today but he’s been one of our best players this season. And he had almost no service whatsoever.

    At least Gerrard is man enough to accept we controlled the game.

    Andy Carrol is shit. He’s like a hired goon.

  45. brianofnazarethbrianofnazareth says

    Commenter said:
    Liverpool were shite today and we completely dominated. That’s football.

    Yeah fuck off brian. Welbeck was poor today but he’s been one of our best players this season. And he had almost no service whatsoever.

    At least Gerrard is man enough to accept we controlled the game.

    Andy Carrol is shit. He’s like a hired goon.

    Welbeck playing for us shows how low our standards have gone and idiots like you accept it! that’s our problem.

  46. han says

    we played really well considering who we had on that pitch
    2 35+ year olds in midfield who ran the game particularly in the 1st half
    it has been a while since we went to their tip and come away kicking ourselves at not getting a win
    rio and vidic both absent will cost us goals no doubt but i felt evans and smalling had good games as well as rafael and apart from that mistake, evra handled it well
    scholes was superb tbf and it was 2 cock ups defensively that the scousers benefited from
    all in all, i am not disappointed with that performance and know we will play far worse and win

  47. sheesh says

    Calvino said:
    Nothing to do with Johnny here. Evra was ball watching. Unforgivable. Liverpool have done nothing to win this game and they have ..

    Completely agree Cal. Evra worries me sometimes and makes me think we are vulnerable at left back. I think he was culpable for the 2nd goal although I think de Gea could have done better.
    I think if Lindegaard had played today we would have drawn the game at the very least. De Gea didn’t inspire confidence in his team mates. We had a decent spell early in the 2nd half but, as soon as Liverpool started going forward, I thought that our players were worrying about the keeper fucking up, felt that we needed to protect him more, we therefore dropped back a bit deeper and we looked less threatening.
    The Scousers were complete and utter shite. How many shots on target did they have? We gifted them that game with 2 instances of shocking goalkeeping and defending.
    As usual, they were there for the taking on their own backyard and we fucked it up.

  48. han says

    brianofnazareth said:
    Welbeck playing for us shows how low our standards have gone and idiots like you accept it! that’s our problem.

    you are so full of shit it is unbelievable
    the lad is a good player and will become better

  49. DeadRevel says

    You’re a stupid cunt. Simple. Welbeck has been our best forward this season and is vastly superior to Hernandez.

  50. brianofnazarethbrianofnazareth says

    Commenter said:
    You’re a stupid cunt. Simple. Welbeck has been our best forward this season and is vastly superior to Hernandez.

    Ha-ha….. I think that says more about our forwards if you think Welbeck is the best.

    Less of the cunt as well, I’m sensitive!

  51. sheesh says

    brianofnazareth said:
    Welbeck playing for us shows how low our standards have gone and idiots like you accept it! that’s our problem.

    And what did Hernandez do when he came on?

    When forwards get little in the way of decent service in decent areas what do you expect them to do?

  52. brianofnazarethbrianofnazareth says

    sheesh said:
    And what did Hernandez do when he came on?

    When forwards get little in the way of decent service in decent areas what do you expect them to do?

    I’m not on about how good Hernandez is am I? I’m on about how shit Welbeck and our other forwards are.

    I’m not just on about this game, I’ve never rated Welbeck… he is not good enough for what we should be looking for.

  53. kramer says

    brian is a fucktard. welbeck is clearly fucking good enough, he was isolated up top all game, and he’s a kid. what the fuck did you expect him to do? score a hattrick?
    we bossed the game, and lost the game to some route one football. shit happens, although evra should have tracked kuyt.

  54. sheesh says

    brianofnazareth said:
    I’m not on about how good Hernandez is am I? I’m on about how shit Welbeck and our other forwards are.
    I’m not just on about this game, I’ve never rated Welbeck… he is not good enough for what we should be looking for.

    You’re not going on about other forwards, though, you’re picking on Welbeck.
    My point is that if you bring another forward on who is equally ineffective, the problem doesn’t lie with the forwards, it lies elsewhere in the team.
    I know Welbeck didn’t have a particularly great game himself, but he was hardly the worst player on the pitch. The way you keep going on and on about him is complete nonsense.

  55. brianofnazarethbrianofnazareth says

    Welbeck….**wait for it** IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH IN MY OPINION….remember opinions? we’re allowed to have them!

    He doesn’t have the quality for a PREMIERSHIP winning club who want to win the Champions league.

  56. sheesh says

    brianofnazareth said:
    Welbeck….**wait for it** IS NOT GOOD ENOUGH IN MY OPINION….remember opinions? we’re allowed to have them!
    He doesn’t have the quality for a PREMIERSHIP winning club who want to win the Champions league.

    He was playing on his own today up front for most of the game against 3 centre backs but, yes, it’s clearly his fault we lost.
    You complete and utter tool.

  57. brianofnazarethbrianofnazareth says

    sheesh said:
    He was playing on his own today up against 3 centre backs but, yes, it’s clearly his fault we lost.

    You complete and utter tool.

    Are you fucking blind you thick inbred cunt? Read what I am saying…NOT judged on just today’s game! In my opinion he is not good enough. PERIOD.

  58. brianofnazarethbrianofnazareth says

    Name me a world class forward on our books? or a midfielder? our whole attacking team is shit….and breaking news that INCLUDES Welbeck.

    As a squad our quality is not good enough to get back to the top of the football summit.

  59. says

    Cant believe you are trying to blame Carrick Sid. How could have been EXPECTED to win the header off Carroll? If Evra was expecting that then it is even worse.

    Scholes and Giggs were sensational in the middle except when the Welsh man went wide and refused to cross first time. We were so good and am really gutted that we lost.

  60. brianofnazarethbrianofnazareth says

    He’s an utter liability! Give the other cunt the shirt for the rest of the season, or bring Edwin back…..

  61. kramer says

    Calvino said:
    By the way, both Carroll and Kuyt were offside from Reina’s kick. Am surprised no one has mentioned it.

    can’t be offside from a goal kick, right?

  62. sheesh says

    Calvino said:
    Cant believe you are trying to blame Carrick Sid. How could have been EXPECTED to win the header off Carroll? If Evra was expecting that then it is even worse.
    Scholes and Giggs were sensational in the middle except when the Welsh man went wide and refused to cross first time. We were so good and am really gutted that we lost.

    Don’t agree with you about scholes and giggs. Scholes had a better game than giggs but thats not saying much. We had lots of possession but didn’t create enough. First half we had 2/3 of possession but how many chances were there? I said in the first half that we lacked penetration. We had a decent spell in the second but liverpool grew in confidence when they saw how vulnerable we were with our keeper. We dropped deeper and again ended up not creating enough.

  63. Pikey McScumPikey McScum says

    Alfonso Bedoya said:
    We gave them a good game, and if we’d have had Rooney and/or Nani fit… I think we win that game easily.

    Absolutely 100% fucking spot on!

    If there are any positives to be taken from today, it’s that we made those cunts look like the away team for the majority of the match. It’s the manner in which we lost the game that’s disappointing.

    And well done that supporter caught making monkey gestures on camera, proof if needed that they’re all cunts

  64. brianofnazarethbrianofnazareth says

    Pikey McScum said:
    Absolutely 100% fucking spot on!

    If there are any positives to be taken from today, it’s that we made those cunts look like the away team for the majority of the match. It’s the manner in which we lost the game that’s disappointing.

    And well done that supporter caught making monkey gestures on camera, proof if needed that they’re all cunts

    I spread that shit all over twitter and it caught! Thanks Sid!

  65. ltel says

    apparently this liverpool supporter wasnt being racist. he was just cold and putting his hands in his pockets.. camera caught it wrong lol… some excuse that

  66. sheesh says

    Why is our recent record at Anfield so shit?

    I can’t believe we failed to even get a draw against such a poor Liverpool team and, yet, it’s not just today but a regular occurrence that we fail to do ourselves justice there.

    I don’t even think it’s a question of Liverpool raising their game against us. We have a better team and should be getting better results.

  67. ltel says

    we have rio vidic jones fletch nani cleverley rooney anderson young all out injuerd, thast a massive loss for us. our pensioners and reserved bossed them most of the game,

  68. squigs says

    Oh I love it, people racing to defend Welbeck, if it was any of our other strikers they would be raging, the lad is ordinary.

    Welbeck didn’t really have much service and was just up there on his own fair enough. But up there when he did get the ball his first touch , decision making and lack of technical ability let him down again. People are hyping him on a few good games and he is hideously over rated at this stage. He had three shots on goal all of which were pointless as they were so far out and even further wide.

    Do people really see the new RVN? he puts himself about a bit but I just think people are too used to mediocrity and because he is from the youth set up and a local lad they have lowered expectations and standards.

    Carrick admittedly good, Tony V and Rafael V good and Scholes MOTM. We lost the game bringing Scholes off. Crazy to start DeGea today who will come good but today was not a good day.

  69. sheesh says

    squigs said:
    Oh I love it, people racing to defend Welbeck, if it was any of our other strikers they would be raging, the lad is ordinary.
    Welbeck didn’t really have much service and was just up there on his own fair enough. But up there when he did get the ball his first touch , decision making and lack of technical ability let him down again. People are hyping him on a few good games and he is hideously over rated at this stage. He had three shots on goal all of which were pointless as they were so far out and even further wide.
    Do people really see the new RVN? he puts himself about a bit but I just think people are too used to mediocrity and because he is from the youth set up and a local lad they have lowered expectations and standards.

    Why would people be raging? Raging about what?
    Who is saying that Welbeck had anything like a decent game?
    Your post makes no sense. On the one hand you seem to accept that Welbeck was on his own today against 3 experienced centre backs yet, on the other, you berate him for his touch and technical ability. Touch and technical ability count for little if you hardly see the ball.
    What were you expecting him from him exactly? What would you have expected from any other forward in exactly the same situation? We put on a second striker, Hernandez, and that made no difference to the outcome.
    It was clear that we suffered because our centre forward (and later centre forwards) got very little support.
    The problem, as you yourself have admitted, was the lack of service.
    The only reason we are defending Welbeck is because Brian was on here practically blaming Welbeck for the defeat. It doesn’t matter who is up front. If you don’t give the forward the ball, he can’t do anything.

  70. says

    Sheesh,
    we “lacked penetration” because were decimated with injuries. Nani and Young’s absences were huge. Add that to Rooney and you know we would struggle to create much. But had right go. We played at our tempo and were even unlucky to go a goal behind to start with. However, we got up and got level. If Welbeck had been a bit more ruthless, or Giggs had crossed better we could have gone in the lead.

    This is the best we have played at Anfield since the Tevez winner. And we played like this with so many big players out.

  71. sheesh says

    Calvino said:
    Sheesh,
    we “lacked penetration” because were decimated with injuries. Nani and Young’s absences were huge. Add that to Rooney and you know we would struggle to create much. But had right go. We played at our tempo and were even unlucky to go a goal behind to start with. However, we got up and got level. If Welbeck had been a bit more ruthless, or Giggs had crossed better we could have gone in the lead.
    This is the best we have played at Anfield since the Tevez winner. And we played like this with so many big players out.

    Cal, for all the possession we had how many clearcut chances did we create in that game?
    My biggest problem with the way we played was that we had so much possession but didn’t have a midfield player who could make something happen. I think the result might have been different if we had someone like Cleverley in the team as he might have caused more problems.
    Giggs and Scholes saw plenty of the ball. Giggs put in one really good ball in the second half but, from what I can recall, that was about it. He was frustrating today because he kept holding on to the ball too long. Scholes kept things ticking over without really making a huge impact. We were solid but unspectacular.
    I wouldn’t get too carried away with us having so much possession. That Liverpool team (one of the worst I think they’ve had in years) would have felt the effects of the City game on Wednesday.
    Maybe injuries did play a part but it was highly frustrating to see us have so much possession with little to show for it. I still think we should at least have nicked a draw.

  72. says

    We are saying same. We lacked the players. if Rooney had been available to play in the position that Giggs played we would have had penetration. My feeling is that with our problems we did exceptionally well and deserved at least a replay.

  73. squigs says

    sheesh said:
    Why would people be raging? Raging about what?

    Who is saying that Welbeck had anything like a decent game?

    Your post makes no sense. On the one hand you seem to accept that Welbeck was on his own today against 3 experienced centre backs yet, on the other, you berate him for his touch and technical ability. Touch and technical ability count for little if you hardly see the ball.

    What were you expecting him from him exactly? What would you have expected from any other forward in exactly the same situation? We put on a second striker, Hernandez, and that made no difference to the outcome.

    It was clear that we suffered because our centre forward (and later centre forwards) got very little support.

    The problem, as you yourself have admitted, was the lack of service.

    The only reason we are defending Welbeck is because Brian was on here practically blaming Welbeck for the defeat. It doesn’t matter who is up front. If you don’t give the forward the ball, he can’t do anything.

    I will explain, Berbatov gets stick for not working hard enough, Hernandez gets stick for not been involved enough in any build play up but Welbeck was both these problems today. When he lost the ball he didn’t chase back or even pressure the Liverpool defenders. He is meant to be leading the line for Manchester United against Liverpool and it was poor. Welbeck had more service then many of our other big games this year, Valencia and Giggs played some brilliant crosses and the midfield was well on top.

    Knobhead and others goes on about him being a match winner, a player who can make something out of nothing. Well they had all the possession and the match winner was AWOL and always will be at the top level.

  74. squigs says

    Calvino said:
    We are saying same. We lacked the players. if Rooney had been available to play in the position that Giggs played we would have had penetration. My feeling is that with our problems we did exceptionally well and deserved at least a replay.

    Correct

  75. brianofnazarethbrianofnazareth says

    squigs said:
    Oh I love it, people racing to defend Welbeck, if it was any of our other strikers they would be raging, the lad is ordinary.

    Welbeck didn’t really have much service and was just up there on his own fair enough. But up there when he did get the ball his first touch , decision making and lack of technical ability let him down again. People are hyping him on a few good games and he is hideously over rated at this stage. He had three shots on goal all of which were pointless as they were so far out and even further wide.

    Do people really see the new RVN? he puts himself about a bit but I just think people are too used to mediocrity and because he is from the youth set up and a local lad they have lowered expectations and standards.

    Carrick admittedly good, Tony V and Rafael V good and Scholes MOTM. We lost the game bringing Scholes off. Crazy to start DeGea today who will come good but today was not a good day.

    So it’s not just me who sees it. The guy will never be good enough in my eyes, he’s average, mid table prem league team will be his comfort level. That one chance he had where he knocked it around Pepe summed him up…just falls short when quality is required.

  76. brianofnazarethbrianofnazareth says

    sheesh said:
    Why would people be raging? Raging about what?

    Who is saying that Welbeck had anything like a decent game?

    Your post makes no sense. On the one hand you seem to accept that Welbeck was on his own today against 3 experienced centre backs yet, on the other, you berate him for his touch and technical ability. Touch and technical ability count for little if you hardly see the ball.

    What were you expecting him from him exactly? What would you have expected from any other forward in exactly the same situation? We put on a second striker, Hernandez, and that made no difference to the outcome.

    It was clear that we suffered because our centre forward (and later centre forwards) got very little support.

    The problem, as you yourself have admitted, was the lack of service.

    The only reason we are defending Welbeck is because Brian was on here practically blaming Welbeck for the defeat. It doesn’t matter who is up front. If you don’t give the forward the ball, he can’t do anything.

    Quote me on where I blamed him for today’s loss, he contributed to it on a lesser extent than say De Gea or Evra but he lacks real quality.

    My argument was/is he is not good enough to play for Man Utd, and if we are to have any hope of winning the Champions league or dominate the league again then we have to find better.

  77. shauno says

    I only watched the first half today because I was playing myself. To listen to a home crowd booing a black man who complained about being racially abused, made me want to be physically sick. I have heard racist apologists today say that United fans would have done the same. That’s not an excuse. Such a position doesn’t wash with me. I don’t care about club or football when it comes to this. This is bigger than football and Liverpool FC should not be afforded the option of hiding behind tribalism on this issue. As for ITV panning to Suarez well thats disgraceful. Fuck football, fuck LFC and fuck racism. I don’t care about the result I care about what is morally right. Fuck football today and fuck LFC, fuck Dalglish, fuck the LFC board and the booing fans. I’m right, they are wrong. I love kicking a ball about and watching football but not so much that I would suspend my moral compass.

  78. sheesh says

    brianofnazareth said:
    As has Welbeck, Giggs and De Gea.

    Quoted (from page 6).
    In response to Cal saying “Evra’s cost us the game”.

  79. Alfonso BedoyaAlfonso Bedoya says

    Calvino said:
    We are saying same. We lacked the players. if Rooney had been available to play in the position that Giggs played we would have had penetration. My feeling is that with our problems we did exceptionally well and deserved at least a replay.

    And there lies our biggest problem.

    Without Rooney, we just aren’t the same team.

    As good as Messi is, even if he was injured, Barcelona are still miles ahead of us… Madrid would hammer us, even without Ronaldo…

    We’re not spending money on new, world class talent, because we’re supposedly bringing youth along… but our two best midfield prospects, both want out…

    Lies, lies and more lies…

    Scholes was excellent today… but he still needs replacing… and it’s just not going to happen.

    • 19 and counting says

      Scholes had a good game in terms of holding the ball and making lots of passes. But Pool’s MF was rubbish. How long can we continue to neglect our central MF and make excuses? Perhaps Fergie will play Scholes and Giggs until they’re 50.

      By the way, I thought we put in an excellent performance and the boys should be proud. It was a tough loss and we deserved better. Now, let’s move on and beat Stoke, Chelsea and those booing losers at Old Trafford – another 8-2 scoreline would do nicely!

  80. kramer says

    squigs said:
    Oh I love it, people racing to defend Welbeck, if it was any of our other strikers they would be raging, the lad is ordinary.

    Welbeck didn’t really have much service and was just up there on his own fair enough. But up there when he did get the ball his first touch , decision making and lack of technical ability let him down again. People are hyping him on a few good games and he is hideously over rated at this stage. He had three shots on goal all of which were pointless as they were so far out and even further wide.

    Do people really see the new RVN? he puts himself about a bit but I just think people are too used to mediocrity and because he is from the youth set up and a local lad they have lowered expectations and standards.

    Carrick admittedly good, Tony V and Rafael V good and Scholes MOTM. We lost the game bringing Scholes off. Crazy to start DeGea today who will come good but today was not a good day.

    i have been raving about the kid for 2 years. i think he’s got an excellent first touch, he’s good in the air, quick and links up well with players like cleverley and rooney. sure, he’s got some growing up to do, but i believe he’ll be a top class forward.
    no one’s calling him the new RVN ffs. i think if he reaches the level of a fit saha, we’ll have a fantastic player to call upon.

  81. Dinkinflicker says

    captainhormone said:
    if its any consolation, my lads won 16-2 today

    Me>>>>>>>>Fergie

    Ha, my lad won 27-0 yesterday.

    ’twas Rugby to be fair though.

  82. brianofnazarethbrianofnazareth says

    sidney said:
    Police have arrested the fella who was doing monkey chants http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-manchester-16775767

    Another racism story regarding Liverpool. Surely the yank owners are gonna come in and tell Dalglish & co to stop being stupid cunts and sort it out, because this just looks terrible. It’s on rotate on BBC & Sky, and is the most read story on the Beeb website

    Thanks to you Sid I tweeted that picture all over twitter and it spread like a rash!! Was it your picture?

  83. brianofnazarethbrianofnazareth says

    Alfonso Bedoya said:
    And there lies our biggest problem.

    Without Rooney, we just aren’t the same team.

    As good as Messi is, even if he was injured, Barcelona are still miles ahead of us… Madrid would hammer us, even without Ronaldo…

    We’re not spending money on new, world class talent, because we’re supposedly bringing youth along… but our two best midfield prospects, both want out…

    Lies, lies and more lies…

    Scholes was excellent today… but he still needs replacing… and it’s just not going to happen.

    FUCKING SPOT ON.

  84. brianofnazarethbrianofnazareth says

    sheesh said:
    Quoted (from page 6).

    In response to Cal saying “Evra’s cost us the game”.

    I didn’t solely blame him though did I, if he was world class he would have finished that chance he had, the one on one with pepe….

  85. sheesh says

    brianofnazareth said:
    I didn’t solely blame him though did I, if he was world class he would have finished that chance he had, the one on one with pepe….

    That argument makes no sense whatsoever – and I don’t think anyone on here has ever said that he is ‘world class’ but, if you must use world class players as a bench mark, even those like Messi miss goal scoring opportunities.
    Is everything this black and white with you?
    He should have done better for the one and one but the keeper was rushing at him and he had to make a split second decision. Had he not bent his run and timed it to perfection, which you completely ignored, you would have moaned because he was offside. There is no pleasing some people.
    You keep saying that based on other games you don’t rate him. Not something I agree with but, whatever. Many other people on here seem to agree that he has been one of our best players this season (where were you when we beat City in the Cup). To have a go at him for yesterday, though, is silly.
    I wouldn’t have a problem if you mentioned that he didn’t play that great and left it at that. It’s just the way you keep going on and on about it and making him out to be one of the worst performers. Tedious.

  86. brianofnazarethbrianofnazareth says

    sheesh said:
    That argument makes no sense whatsoever – and I don’t think anyone on here has ever said that he is ‘world class’ but, if you must use world class players as a bench mark, even those like Messi miss goal scoring opportunities.

    Is everything this black and white with you?

    He should have done better for the one and one but the keeper was rushing at him and he had to make a split second decision. Had he not bent his run and timed it to perfection, which you completely ignored, you would have moaned because he was offside. There is no pleasing some people.

    You keep saying that based on other games you don’t rate him. Not something I agree with but, whatever. Many other people on here seem to agree that he has been one of our best players this season (where were you when we beat City in the Cup). To have a go at him for yesterday, though, is silly.

    I wouldn’t have a problem if you mentioned that he didn’t play that great and left it at that. It’s just the way you keep going on and on about it and making him out to be one of the worst performers. Tedious.

    ” Tedious “

    A bit like your nonsense posts trying to “prove” you had a point. Oh the irony!

    I blame him for not doing better with the one on one, I blame Evra for the second goal I blame de Gea and the whoever the defender was that should have marked the free header and fergie for letting the Glazers bitch him!! again, feel free to quote me where I blamed Welbeck for the defeat alone! or shut the fuck up and get back to your boyfriend!

    Welbeck in my OPINION is not good enough for us and never will be. I’d love to be proven wrong.

  87. Sidsidney says

    brianofnazareth said:
    Thanks to you Sid I tweeted that picture all over twitter and it spread like a rash!! Was it your picture?

    No, I nicked it off the Caf

  88. uncleknobheadffsuncleknobheadforfucksake says

    brilliant sub apperance from hernandez

    I love the wy that, even when he doesn’t score, he’s always massively involved in the game

    there’s never a time when you don’t notice hernandez is on the pitch, moreover he is absolutely brilliant at leading the line, because not only does he take chances, he also creates for himself and others, a complete player

  89. sheesh says

    brianofnazareth said:
    again, feel free to quote me where I blamed Welbeck for the defeat alone! or shut the fuck up and get back to your boyfriend!

    You always were one of the more intelligent Ranters on here. Well done.

  90. squigs says

    uncleknobheadforfucksake said:
    brilliant sub apperance from hernandez

    I love the wy that, even when he doesn’t score, he’s always massively involved in the game

    there’s never a time when you don’t notice hernandez is on the pitch, moreover he is absolutely brilliant at leading the line, because not only does he take chances, he also creates for himself and others, a complete player

    The Welbeck lover extraordinaire with a post that’s longer then the usual 6 word retort/insult. So slag another player who was on for 20 minutes to defend his beloved Welbeck. Admittedly Hernandez did no more or no less in 20 then Welbeck did in 90 and that was nothing.

    Personally I would rather take my chances with the better finisher not the player who you cast alongside Rooney and Nani as United’s match winners, players who can make something out of nothing and whom you describe as having an x-factor (Terms I never heard to describe players before. I would also have started the player with a bit of form Berbatov ahead of both of them.

  91. Alfonso BedoyaAlfonso Bedoya says

    Welbeck/Hernandez???… pffft… fact is… take Rooney and Nani out, and you get a stark reminder of just how ordinary our team really is.

  92. uncleknobheadffsuncleknobheadforfucksake says

    xfactor is a highly suitable phrase to describe a certain type of player, football people like sid and cap understand it, people who don’t watch games blinded by an anti english agenda…

    why even support an english club….

  93. brianofnazarethbrianofnazareth says

    uncleknobheadforfucksake said:
    xfactor is a highly suitable phrase to describe a certain type of player, football people like sid and cap understand it, people who don’t watch games blinded by an anti english agenda…

    why even support an english club….

    WTF has being English got to do with it? You’re not from Manchester so why do YOU support them?

  94. squigs says

    uncleknobheadforfucksake said:
    xfactor is a highly suitable phrase to describe a certain type of player, football people like sid and cap understand it, people who don’t watch games blinded by an anti english agenda…

    why even support an english club….

    People with an awareness of football and basic grammer would consider it a completely ambiguous phase used by people to fulfill their argument.

    Is it that only English players have an x-factor or just players that you like?

  95. Alfonso BedoyaAlfonso Bedoya says

    Sorry… but I just don’t see the point.
    Arguing about who’s better… Welbeck or Hernandez, is like arguing who’s better, Park or Fletcher…
    They’re all decent players… all have their uses, but none of them should be any more than squaddies.
    A United first 11, SHOULD be made of much better players.
    When I think of past midfields, especially the Giggs, Scholes, Keane, Beckham lineup… all in their prime… and compare it to the dreck on offer now…
    It really is sad…

    “Badges, to god-damned hell with badges! We have no badges. In fact, we don’t need badges. I don’t have to show you any stinking badges, you god-damned cabrón and ching’ tu madre! Come out from that shit-hole of yours. I have to speak to you.”

  96. bman says

    Alfonso Bedoya said:

    When I think of past midfields, especially the Giggs, Scholes, Keane, Beckham lineup… all in their prime… and compare it to the dreck on offer now…

    It really is sad…

    Look on the bright side, we’ve still got half of our greatest midfield in recent memory!

  97. sheesh says

    Alfonso Bedoya said:
    Sorry… but I just don’t see the point.

    Arguing about who’s better… Welbeck or Hernandez, is like arguing who’s better, Park or Fletcher…

    They’re all decent players… all have their uses, but none of them should be any more than squaddies.

    A United first 11, SHOULD be made of much better players.

    When I think of past midfields, especially the Giggs, Scholes, Keane, Beckham lineup… all in their prime… and compare it to the dreck on offer now…

    It really is sad…

    Fuck me, you really are a miserable cunt, aren’t you?

    Having a bad day/week/month?

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