Fergie continues Glazer PR battle as interest rate rises



Sir Alex Ferguson has defended the Glazer family, warning Manchester United’s fans that continued unrest in the stands could disrupt the team. The warning, pre-briefed from his United Review programme notes for the match against Newcastle United tomorrow night, is a repetition of the Scot’s support for the Glazer family since the May 2005 takeover.

Ferguson, who offers no explanation of how protests in the stand have harmed the team to date, has consistently defended the family despite overwhelming financial evidence that that the Americans’ ownership of the club is costing millions in interest, loans, dividends and management fees annually.

Indeed, Ferguson’s tirade comes on the eve of the Glazer family’s Payment in Kind (PiK) debt interest rate rising, as widely expected, to an onerous 16.25 per cent per annum. The rise will add an additional £5 million in interest to a PIK debt that will hit £269 million next year.

“One situation clouds the new season and that is the continued opposition to the Glazer family,” Ferguson told club mouthpiece United Review.

“I have no problem with the green and gold campaign. Fans are entitled to protest as they see fit. But not to the detriment of the team.

“The fact is that the Glazer family own Manchester United and until such time as they decide they want to sell, they will stay as owners regardless of the opposition.

“So it comes down to the extent of the protest. What I don’t want to see is Manchester United mired in so much controversy that it deflects our purpose of winning matches.”

Ferguson sees no irony in the argument, even though the Scot’s ‘controversial’ dispute with John Magnier in 2004 over breeding rights for the racehourse Rock of Gibraltar, which was part-owned by the United manager, precipitated the sale by the Irishman of his shares in the club to the Glazer family.

Ferguson’s name was dropped from the list of owners when Rock of Gilbraltar, which won a record seven Group One races as a three-year-old, went to stud. The Scot challenged the decision, prompting a battle that was saved from court at the eleventh hour when the United manager accepted an offer of £2.5 million to cover stud fees for the horse.

The horse dispute is not the only controversial moment involving the Scot of course, with regular rants at referees – incurring a four match FA touchline ban last season for the Scot’s “unfit” jibe at Alun Wiley – fellow managers, the media, officialdom and even supporters.

Despite – or perhaps because of – Ferguson’s pivotal and unforgivable role in the highly leveraged takeover, the United manager has called for unity behind the Glazer family, which has allowed a net transfer budget of minus £47.5 million over the past two seasons.

“Whenever we have had success it has been a collective effort with everyone united – management, players and fans. How many times have I commented in the past about the need to pull together?” Ferguson continues, demonstrating beyond doubt if any remained, which side of this particular fence the manager lies.

“There is no doubt that players respond and relish support. We have had some great European nights at Old Trafford and I wouldn’t like to see anything develop that would diminish that kind of backing.

“I see that one of the protest groups has come up with a slogan along the lines of “New Season, Same Goal”.

“I know what they have in mind but I just wish they meant that once again we will all be united, busting a gut to win something big; in that sense it is not a bad slogan.”

Strange then that analysis by the Independent Manchester United Supporters Association (IMUSA) shows that United won more games and scored more goals since the launch of the Green & Gold protest movement in January this year.

IMUSA demonstrates that United scored a net average of a goal and a half more per game following the protest’s start than before. Coincidence perhaps but there is little doubt that the movement heightened the often flat atmosphere at Old Trafford last season.

Meanwhile, the Sunday Times confirms today what many analysts had predicted in January – that the interest rate on the PiK debt will rise from August. The PiK debt, standing at £202 million when last announced, will rise to more than £269 million in the coming months because the family has failed to keep the club’s debts below the level required under the terms of the loan.

For that reason alone the family issued its £504 million bond in January, which doubled the interest rate on the club’s senior debt but enables the Glazers to take significant amounts of cash out of the club in dividends, management fees and loans.

Indeed, the Glazers’ PiK debt must be paid off in full by 2017 when it will be worth more than £600 million. If the family doesn’t pay down the debt by that date it will hand over the club to three New York based hedge funds

That’s one kind of unity that Ferguson probably doesn’t want.

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  • sidney

    We played better when the G&G campaign started

    I was at the first game against Hull and Old Trafford was fucking rocking. We then went on a winning spree at what was a fucking grim shit time the club after losing to Leeds.

    The anger and noise from the terraces inspired the team. Need more of that this season

  • sheesh

    Fergie’s talking bollocks if he thinks that the protests can in any way harm the team.

  • mig

    “The horse dispute is not the only controversial moment involving the Scot of course, with regular rants at referees – incurring a four match FA touchline ban last season for the Scot’s “unfit” jibe at Alun Wiley – fellow managers, the media, officialdom and even supporters.”

    Now what do you hinting? Taking a cheap shot at the man aren’t you ?You want Fergie to resign as O’Neil did?

    Basically you’re not different from the Glazers. You want to make all thse controversial headlines to generate traffic to your site to make money. Shame on you Ed.

    • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/admin/ Ed

      @mig – See an ads on this website? Do try to think before posting something of such inane stupidity. I don’t want him to resign but it does his legacy no good acting as a) the Glazers personal PR machine, b) their lickspittle, c) being a total hypocrite

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/jaff/ Liam

    At least the green and gold protesters actually make a bit of noise. Accepting the fact that footballers are not the most intelligent of beings I am highly sceptical that they would confuse animosity directed at the Glazers being directed at them and the team.

  • TGR

    Unregistered User said:
    “The horse dispute is not the only controversial moment involving the Scot of course, with regular rants at referees – incurring a four match FA touchline ban last season for the Scot’s “unfit” jibe at Alun Wiley – fellow managers, the media, officialdom and even supporters.”

    Now what do you hinting? Taking a cheap shot at the man aren’t you ?You want Fergie to resign as O’Neil did?

    Basically you’re not different from the Glazers. You want to make all thse controversial headlines to generate traffic to your site to make money. Shame on you Ed.

    Tool

  • sidney

    MUST’s response to Fergie’s comments http://action.joinmust.org/index.php/blog/entry/press-release-new-season.-same-goal

    Basically makes the point I made

  • Aj

    I’m BACK. Ed, it’s not Fergie’s fault the glazers took over and he will defend the glazers or do you somehow expect him to attack the owners of our club. Sir Alex Ferguson loves Manchester United and only wants the fans to support and cheer us onto more trophies. He isn’t attacking the protest and understands it very well. You claim we know where Fergie stands, your right as he stands on the side of Manchester United and defends the owners and the protesters. All Fergie wants is fan unity this season.

    • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/admin/ Ed

      @Aj – Here you go all over again – at what point have I ever said Ferguson should “attack the owners of the club” – come on, find it… No? Then stop putting words in my mouth.

      Ferguson isn’t going to get unity. He’s in a dreamworld if he thinks that. The owners of this club are screwing the fans, the institution and the manager.

  • Aj

    one question Ed. when is the next financial report revealed as I can’t remember?

    • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/admin/ Ed

      @Aj – August 27 are the quarterly and annual financials to June 31, 2010. Won’t include anything after that date.

  • Stephen Morris

    As much as I love Sir Alex he has been tarnished by his support of the Glazers. Having said that, there aren’t too many who come out and publicly criticise their employers and keep their jobs.

    I do believe this is a make or break season for us. Despite finishing second last year we flattered to deceive at times. We came so close to winning the league due to the mediocrity of the other sides.

    As much as Fergie comments he has been backed this year with Smalling, Hernandez and Bebe coming in for approx 22 million he has recouped 14 million with Tosic and Foster being sold. He obviously knows the team needs work with the continued link with Ozil but we aren’t in the market for the top players anymore. That’s the concern. We are shopping in the bargain basement and City and Chelsea are spending big money.

    If Fergie continues to support the Glazers and we fall on our arse this season he risks damaging his reputation permanently.

  • Seaniem

    Its about time that someone pointed out the Fergie factor in where we are with the Glazers and his vanity over that horse got us here in alot of ways. I hate blind allegiance and its as though no one can level the cross hairs at Fergie for anything. Thats just bullshit. His defense of the Glazers takes attention away from his contribution to the financialshit hole we are in. I watched his interview on CNN today and I have to say the guys living in a bubble syaing that all takeovers are funded with debt.Rubbish. Good article Ed and good to see the truth about Ferguson articulated rationally. There can be no criticism of Ferguson as a manager but as a man…….

  • Aj

    Ed, I didn’t put words in your mouth but I’m positive you have heard that protesters have complained that Fergie won’t stand against the owners and moans like he is against the protest when Fergie is backing both the owners and protesters. Fergie will get unity as already shown amongst the fans, we back the team, cheer the team, some protest, the unity for the side is there as shown at wembley when every United fan supported the club. thanks for the date of the report. Fergie is GOD.

  • captainhormone

    bj>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>aids>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>aj

  • Aj

    captainhormone. how old are you mate I’d like to know as that message is weird but I assume for some reason you are attacking me for god knows what reason.

  • RobDiablo

    Unregistered User said:
    captainhormone. how old are you mate I’d like to know as that message is weird but I assume for some reason you are attacking me for god knows what reason.

    if you’re busy captain, I could try to explain it to him.

  • captainhormone

    RobDiablo said:
    if you’re busy captain, I could try to explain it to him.

    Be my guest Rob

  • Aj

    go on then, explain it to me and maybe you could also explain why it is pathetic as aids is a serious thing and not some thing for stupid little children to use as an insult at others. seem to me that some people are highly uneducated and just dont understand, do you hear what i am saying to you right now.

  • TGR

    AJ, you just don’t get it do you… Come back on here when your balls drop and puberty kicks in. There’s a good lad, now jog on.

  • captainhormone

    Unregistered User said:
    go on then, explain it to me and maybe you could also explain why it is pathetic as aids is a serious thing and not some thing for stupid little children to use as an insult at others. seem to me that some people are highly uneducated and just dont understand, do you hear what i am saying to you right now.

    err, it’s difficult to hear someone when you have never spoken to them…on top of that my “ignore glazer supporting bollocks” filter is on

    all i was saying Aj (to be fair) is that in my very humble opinion, I’d rate a Blow Job and Aids, ahead of you…….

    hope this clears it up for you Joel/Malcolm etc etc

  • Aj

    man I love it. tgr, just like captainhormone and rob diablo, you are clearly just another school kid running his mouth, sorry to disappoint you uneducated little children but being a grown up I have better things to do than listen to 3 children run their mouths trying to act tough over the web whiles getting ready to go back to school in a few weeks. it truly is sad when 3 stupid peòple band together to try and attack someone, sorry kids but you can cyber bully me, grow up children.

  • Aj

    man I love it. tgr, just like captainhormone and rob diablo, you are clearly just another school kid running his mouth, sorry to disappoint you uneducated little children but being a grown up I have better things to do than listen to 3 children run their mouths trying to act tough over the web whiles getting ready to go back to school in a few weeks. it truly is sad when 3 stupid peòple band together to try and attack someone, sorry kids but you cant cyberbully me, grow up children.

  • TGR

    Unregistered User said:
    man I love it. tgr, just like captainhormone and rob diablo, you are clearly just another school kid running his mouth, sorry to disappoint you uneducated little children but being a grown up I have better things to do than listen to 3 children run their mouths trying to act tough over the web whiles getting ready to go back to school in a few weeks. it truly is sad when 3 stupid peòple band together to try and attack someone, sorry kids but you cant cyberbully me, grow up children.

    So good you posted it twice. AJ, I’ll spell it out for you. Nobody is saying SAF should criticise the Glazers (although if he did their whole house of cards would come tumbling down) what they are saying is that there is no need for him too constantly support them in public, say what wonderful owners they are etc and so on, because clearly they are not. He is relying on gullible, clueless, moronic ‘supporters’ like you who hang on his every word, and believe everything he says to yet again take his word on the Glazers as gospel…

    Unfortunately there are plenty about like you who gobble up all his bullshit, and so he continues to peddle it.

    I hope this clears it up for you.

  • captainhormone

    i’ll delete that duplicate post for you AJ, don’t want you ruining the thread with double your bollocks do we now……

  • captainhormone

    it truly is sad when 3 stupid peòple band together to try and attack someone, sorry kids but you can cyber bully me, grow up children.

    err, ok then if you so wish..

    retard….do us all a favour….if you don’t like it go and support Chelsea (a quote from he great man himself too)

  • captainhormone

    Unregistered User <a href= it truly is sad when 3 stupid peòple band together to try and attack someone, sorry kids but you can cyber bully me, grow up children.

    err, ok then if you so wish..

    retard….do us all a favour….if you don’t like it go and support Chelsea (a quote from he great man himself too)

  • http://www.visual-intrusion.com Robbo

    TGR said:
    So good you posted it twice. AJ, I’ll spell it out for you. Nobody is saying SAF should criticise the Glazers (although if he did their whole house of cards would come tumbling down) what they are saying is that there is no need for him too constantly support them in public, say what wonderful owners they are etc and so on, because clearly they are not. He is relying on gullible, clueless, moronic ‘supporters’ like you who hang on his every word, and believe everything he says to yet again take his word on the Glazers as gospel…

    Unfortunately there are plenty about like you who gobble up all his bullshit, and so he continues to peddle it.

    I hope this clears it up for you.

    Eloquent as always Bigbird you just took the words out of my mouth and saved me from posting.

  • TGR

    Robbo said:
    Eloquent as always Bigbird you just took the words out of my mouth and saved me from posting.

    Come on Robbo, you would never have been able to compose that without the help of your special needs teacher, a dictionary, a bog roll and a tube of lube..

  • Aj

    “gullible, clueless, moronic supporters”, now tgr is attacking manchester united supporters for backing the greatest boss in the game. last i checked must allows us a choice on if we protest or not, fans are not morons for backing fergie’s every word over internet clowns who probably don’t even know where Old Trafford is or what the protest is about. I can honestly say right now tgr that I am more of a Manchester United supporter than you are mate. you are a freaking liar and a fake.

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    I was here before fergie an ill be here after

    love knobhead hate fergie

  • http://www.visual-intrusion.com Robbo

    AJ, no one is disputing Alex Ferguson’s achievements but he is not a god he is a manager of a football team albeit a successful one who for his own reasons does not side with the fans who dispute the ownership of the Glazers, a lot of fans don’t understand what is going on and either side with the likes of Must or the Glazers but only because the majority does or because person X or person Y says so.

    As for who is the better top red that doesn’t really matter but people such as captainhormone, TGR have been posting on United Rant since at least 2005/6 so they do have a good idea of what they are going on about, and do have half an idea where Old Trafford is.

  • captainhormone

    AJ….we all love fergie for what he’s done for the club….we owe him so much

    but you are gullible, clueless and moronic…i’m struggling with the supporter bit to be fair as you come across as the lovechild of spazzy Malc or his brethren.

  • captainhormone

    uncleknobheadforfucksake said:
    I was here before fergie an ill be here after

    love knobhead hate fergie

    we all love you Knobhead

  • Aj

    captainhormone i can happily tell you that I hate th glazers for their debt and fail to understand how they think it is ok to not begin to sort out their obvious financial problems and the debt that they have not just put on us but the tampa bay bucs aswell. robbo, they been posting since when? 2005? when they became fans I suppose. my love of Manchester United goes back decades and yes Sir Alex Ferguson is a God. support United and cheer the team onto a record breaking 19th league title.

  • TGR

    Unregistered User said:
    captainhormone i can happily tell you that I hate th glazers for their debt and fail to understand how they think it is ok to not begin to sort out their obvious financial problems and the debt that they have not just put on us but the tampa bay bucs aswell. robbo, they been posting since when? 2005? when they became fans I suppose. my love of Manchester United goes back decades and yes Sir Alex Ferguson is a God. support United and cheer the team onto a record breaking 19th league title.

    You hate the Glazers for the debt, yet you believe Fergie when he says “they are great owners” make up your mind… or better still, start thinking for yourself.

  • Aj

    I got to add that MUST wants the fans to back the club and that this season could see us reclaim our league title aswell as get new owners in what they think would be the greatest double act in history. cant disagree as getting rid of that debt would be great as will taking back our Premier Lge title and setting a new record. support Manchester United and back the team in another historic season. Chicharito is awesome, a world class star and will get 20+ goals. Fergie is God.

  • TGR

    Unregistered User said:
    I got to add that MUST wants the fans to back the club and that this season could see us reclaim our league title aswell as get new owners in what they think would be the greatest double act in history. cant disagree as getting rid of that debt would be great as will taking back our Premier Lge title and setting a new record. support Manchester United and back the team in another historic season. Chicharito is awesome, a world class star and will get 20+ goals. Fergie is God.

    Where are you from and how old are you AJ?? If you don’t mind me asking?

  • Aj

    tgr, dont put words into others mouths, I back Fergie all the way and put his words before a bunch of fans, but that doesnt mean I like the glazers as I dont and would love them to sell up to someone who can afford us. I think for myself all the time but the real question is – do you or are you a sheep jumping with the rest of the protesters? some protesters protest for the love of United whiles some do because they was told or a friend does, now where do you sit? I dont protest because I dont want to.

  • Aj

    TGR, I could ask the same question to you feller.

  • Just1n

    Fuck the Glazers and fuck SAF.

    He is a cunt for backing the Glazers publicly. They are parasites and bring fuckall good to the club. If you believe what Fergie says then you are either a retard or you need a stiff cock up your anal cavity.

  • RobDiablo

    Unregistered User said:
    man I love it. tgr, just like captainhormone and rob diablo, you are… 3 stupid peòple band together to try and attack someone, sorry kids but you can cyber bully me, grow up children.

    Please don’t lump me in with the other two; I hate those guys.

  • Just1n

    Hate is such a strong word…

  • TGR

    Unregistered User said:
    tgr, dont put words into others mouths, I back Fergie all the way and put his words before a bunch of fans, but that doesnt mean I like the glazers as I dont and would love them to sell up to someone who can afford us. I think for myself all the time but the real question is – do you or are you a sheep jumping with the rest of the protesters? some protesters protest for the love of United whiles some do because they was told or a friend does, now where do you sit? I dont protest because I dont want to.

    An excellent argument… accuse me of what I’ve accused you of… You have said in previous posts that you support SAF unreservedly – so by extension, you support what he said about the Glazers. Yes or no?

    And I am 35 years old, have supported United for 25 years and am from Galway. Thanks for asking.

  • TGR

    RobDiablo said:
    Please don’t lump me in with the other two; I hate those guys.

    But, but… I thought we were friends!!!

  • RobDiablo

    Just1n said:
    Hate is such a strong word…

    But, you I like.

  • captainhormone

    Unregistered User said:
    captainhormone i can happily tell you that I hate th glazers for their debt and fail to understand how they think it is ok to not begin to sort out their obvious financial problems and the debt that they have not just put on us but the tampa bay bucs aswell. robbo, they been posting since when? 2005? when they became fans I suppose. my love of Manchester United goes back decades and yes Sir Alex Ferguson is a God. support United and cheer the team onto a record breaking 19th league title.

    Aj, you really are an insufferable cunt arn’t you….most likely a city/scouse/leeds/arse WUM of some descript….

    listen, i’ll make it simple, as you are clearly that..a cunt…sorry simple….some of us are old enough, ugly enough and stupid enough to understand all the financial jargon, bollocks and shite you pollute these hallowed pages with, but also understand what the fuck is going on in our club, AND (get this, you may learn something) FOOTBALL in general.

    oh you bang on about this, bore and patronise us with that, but you keep perpetually regurgitating the same old shite…the truth is no one wants to know….the vast majority of us all think you are full of shit, and you still don’t get it do you….we all know football is a business…we all know fergie is a phenomenal manager, but we also know our club (and many others, but fuck them at the moment) are in the deepest pile of debt and shit ever seen, and it is all down to a bunch of parasitic Americans that go by the name of the Glazers…. yet Fergie keeps bumming them

    you can harp on all you like about this and that, and how we should put our hands in our own pockets to help rid the debt (you utter uber cunt), but life on your planet must be very very lonely as you are so utterly and blatantly wrong, its as though you have merged bodies with an infant, retarded, mong, downs, scouse afterbirth, but they have taken the ability to chat shite on your behalf

    do us a favour and jog on son

  • captainhormone

    oh, and Im 36, supported UTD since i was 8, been to see them hundreds of times and come from a town called Leek…about 34 miles from Old Trafford…..now your turn

  • RobDiablo

    TGR said:
    But, but… I thought we were friends!!!

    Forgive me; I’m still new here, and somewhat confused about who belongs to which clique. You and pikey are officers in the alliance I’ve joined (I think) – I do hope, however that pikey isn’t the secretary, as the reading of the minutes could be a very time consuming affair.

  • Just1n

    RobDiablo said:
    But, you I like.

    hmmmm as long as i get first dibs up your dirt road

  • Aj

    oh damn, captainhormone I really gotta ask now, how old are you? as that rant on posts from long ago screams school kid, I know I am a bastard at times, a cunt on oçcassion, a jack ass here and there and I know I can piss off anyone at any god given moment but to drag up post comments is freakin despearate mate even by your standards. I a not a scouser scum, a rent boy, a bitter from wastelands or a wum. I am a proud 23 y/o Manchester United supporter of 20 years and know very well what is going on, you?

  • captainhormone

    Unregistered User said:
    I am a proud 23 y/o Manchester United supporter of 20 years and know very well what is going on, you?

    my point proven

  • Aj

    man just seen you post. 36? man thats debatable considering how your posts are. captainhormone also screams kid, so your name and posts quite simply do not match your “age”. your loyalty is also questionable. me personally, I will back Manchester United and Sir Alex Ferguson to the end and clearly know more about football and life for that matter than you do. Ì am clearly far more mature and clealy more educated than you and lets not forget superior in every way. you keep ranting all you like over there.

  • sheesh

    What is somewhat concerning, from trawling other football forums, is just how ignorant and gullible some United fans really are. It’s not just that they don’t know what’s happening to our club, they don’t even take the time to understand what many of us are unhappy about and then have the nerve to attack us for being misguided or disloyal!

    Here’s a post I found on another forum earlier:

    I’ve pointed this out countless times but its simply pointless talking to these people. What truly makes me laugh is the stupidity of most protesters though. Yes, its not in anyway a great situation and we could really struggle for money, so what should we do to protest? Why we ENSURE the club struggles for money! Yeah! That makes a lot of sense! Then, when someone like the “savours of United” the Red Knights come in, we’ll then spend all the same money we would’ve with the Glazers + whatever more they say we need to “buy those superstars again”, you know, the ones we’ve never bought. Or in fact maybe it’d be best to be bought by an Arab? Yea, then we can turn into city, destroy or youth academy and the fundamentals of the club but at least the Glazers will be out so its 100x better!

    Seriously, if people had sense they would realise there are only logical things to do:

    1) Continue the green and gold protest to show that no-one is happy but with flags only. We united behind the team by wearing the club shirts.

    2) Spend as much money as is possible on anything United. Fill the coffers which in turn helps the club pay off the debt faster which in turn makes the club cheaper and more attractive to investors!

    What an amazing thought! Help the club pay off debt rather than flap our gums and hope for a sugar daddy? What an alien concept! The funniest thing for me is why our ignorant fans honestly believe that uniting against an owner that has brought you 3 league titles and a CL, an our that Sir Alex fully endorses, will somehow convince other investors to jump in. I’m sorry but anyone with any sense would have to look and thing damn, if thats the treatment the Glazers with all that success, how much hell will we get if after Fergie retires the club drops to third one season or something? We all comfortably say that anyone after Fergie is basically taking on a poisoned chalice, but its doubly so for any new owner that isn’t British with a United flag flying on his roof.

    As far as I’m concerned the protests currently in place are simply pushing away investors. We’re coming across as spoiled, ungrateful children with an inability to see the whole picture; we deserve to be taught a lesson and if we’re not careful we’ll get one.

  • TGR

    captainhormone said:
    my point proven

    I think it was originally my point, but feel free…

  • captainhormone

    Unregistered User said:
    man just seen you post. 36? man thats debatable considering how your posts are. captainhormone also screams kid, so your name and posts quite simply do not match your “age”. your loyalty is also questionable. me personally, I will back Manchester United and Sir Alex Ferguson to the end and clearly know more about football and life for that matter than you do. Ì am clearly far more mature and clealy more educated than you and lets not forget superior in every way. you keep ranting all you like over there.

    lol..educated…yeah right….

  • captainhormone

    TGR said:
    I think it was originally my point, but feel free…

    sorry

  • captainhormone

    Aj aged 23, been a utd fan for 20 years….priceless…..

    Truth..aj 23, been a utd fan when the PLC marketing machine pushed the brand out over the world and UTD started becoming bigger after the treble in ’99….i’d hazard a guess AJ has been a “fan” since around 2000 – 2001…at best…possibly 2007…probably had a chelsea shirt for a few years then came back

  • TGR

    Unregistered User said:
    man just seen you post. 36? man thats debatable considering how your posts are. captainhormone also screams kid, so your name and posts quite simply do not match your “age”. your loyalty is also questionable. me personally, I will back Manchester United and Sir Alex Ferguson to the end and clearly know more about football and life for that matter than you do. Ì am clearly far more mature and clealy more educated than you and lets not forget superior in every way. you keep ranting all you like over there.

    This coming from somebody who ends a large portion of his sentences with ‘man’… You should throw a few ‘dudes’ in there too. You might get a gold star from your teacher.

    Word up..

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    I’m staying out of this argument.

    My knuckles need a rest.

  • TGR

    Where are you from oh educated one… AJ?? you still there?

  • Aj

    an again captainmoron pulls out a desperate remark, what couldnt come up with a clever comeback because your so damn thick. what a loser “36″ and you talk like that over the web, more like 10. your lack of intelligence ammuses me but quite thankly you are overall a boring clueless lonely sad idiotic jackass who talks big on the web and I am bored of reading your crap. sheesh, finally someone here who haves a clue and some knowledge of the situation.

  • TGR

    Alfonso Bedoya said:
    I’m staying out of this argument.

    My knuckles need a rest.

    Come on Alf, grab a pick axe handle…

  • captainhormone

    Unregistered User said:
    an again captainmoron pulls out a desperate remark, what couldnt come up with a clever comeback because your so damn thick. what a loser “36″ and you talk like that over the web, more like 10. your lack of intelligence ammuses me but quite thankly you are overall a boring clueless lonely sad idiotic jackass who talks big on the web and I am bored of reading your crap. sheesh, finally someone here who haves a clue and some knowledge of the situation.

    if you want my comeback, you best go scrape it off your mums face

    is that mature enough for you?

  • TGR

    Unregistered User said:
    an again captainmoron pulls out a desperate remark, what couldnt come up with a clever comeback because your so damn thick. what a loser “36″ and you talk like that over the web, more like 10. your lack of intelligence ammuses me but quite thankly you are overall a boring clueless lonely sad idiotic jackass who talks big on the web and I am bored of reading your crap. sheesh, finally someone here who haves a clue and some knowledge of the situation.

    He doesn’t just talk big, he is big, huge in fact, big as house… a lard arse you might say…

    Doesn’t take away from that fact that you really just don’t get it at all, you have no clue what you are talking about and fail to take on board the points people are trying to make to help you understand.

    You are an arrogant and illiterate might I add, cunt.

  • Aj

    thanks captainmoron for revealing yourself as a chelsea fan by the way.

  • captainhormone

    TGR said:
    He doesn’t just talk big, he is big, huge in fact, big as house… a lard arse you might say…

    Doesn’t take away from that fact that you really just don’t get it at all, you have no clue what you are talking about and fail to take on board the points people are trying to make to help you understand.

    You are an arrogant and illiterate might I add, cunt.

    he is right when he says i am a loser though…can’t argue with that

  • captainhormone

    Unregistered User said:
    thanks captainmoron for revealing yourself as a chelsea fan by the way.

    no problem

  • sheesh

    Unregistered User said:
    an again captainmoron pulls out a desperate remark, what couldnt come up with a clever comeback because your so damn thick. what a loser “36″ and you talk like that over the web, more like 10. your lack of intelligence ammuses me but quite thankly you are overall a boring clueless lonely sad idiotic jackass who talks big on the web and I am bored of reading your crap. sheesh, finally someone here who haves a clue and some knowledge of the situation.

    You appear to have completely misunderstood my point.

    I am critical of United fans who fail to take the time to find out what’s really going on at the club and swallow the stuff Fergie and Gill come out with before having a go at those of us who are against the Glazer regime. That post I nicked from another forum is an example of a United fan who doesn’t even have the first clue of what the protests are about.

  • captainhormone

    sheesh said:
    You appear to have completely misunderstood my point.

    I am critical of United fans who fail to take the time to find out what’s really going on at the club and swallow the stuff Fergie and Gill come out with before having a go at those of us who are against the Glazer regime. That post I nicked from another forum is an example of a United fan who doesn’t even have the first clue of what the protests are about.

    lol….i could have set my watch by you then sheesh

  • TGR

    sheesh said:
    You appear to have completely misunderstood my point.

    I am critical of United fans who fail to take the time to find out what’s really going on at the club and swallow the stuff Fergie and Gill come out with before having a go at those of us who are against the Glazer regime. That post I nicked from another forum is an example of a United fan who doesn’t even have the first clue of what the protests are about.

    So basically your new friend Sheesh is saying you are a bell end too… If you don’t know what that is, ask your Mum…

  • cantilever_moaner

    Can’t be arsed to read all the posts but I don’t hate Fergie cos of all he’s done for us (Jeez remember Sexton !) but I can’t love him for sucking the Glazer cock. The truth may emerge in the future but the moment is now!

  • Aj

    big shock. TGR runs to the rescue of captainhormone, yeah I couldn’t see that coming. what a couple of sad twats you truly are and you expect me to believe you are both adults, HA. couple of sad school boys who gets picked on everyday more like it. I am bored of you both and your clear lack of intelligence aswell the fact neither of you understand the situation and your poor attempt to hide it before internet talk has failed big time. grow up little children because you are so boring and predictable.

  • captainhormone

    AJ, look mate….you are clearly coming across as a midget mong…not very big, and not very clever.

    Your false perception of your own standing has dissolved from precise naivety in your postings to blubbering desperation in the space of an hour or so..

    give up now mate and go over to the Caf etc…you may find individuals there that may worship your perceived higher intellect, because here, you are one of many many knobs that end up being destroyed by people who know shit, as opposed to people like you that don’t

    bye sweetheart…will miss you xxx

  • TGR

    Is there anybody on here who actually agrees with AJ?

  • captainhormone

    AJ does

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    this is becoming a daily occurance on the ne rant, so young raggamuffin thinking he can take on the old guard, so far my expertise is yet to be required

    LKHF

  • captainhormone

    there’s no value in getting involved

  • Aj

    what was that morons, I couldn’t hear you due to the crap you where saying. tgr, captainmoron the two of you are quote funny people, I mean for two to reek of desperation the way you do is interesting. Not only are you arguably the two saddest gits I ever come across but you actualy believe you know whats going on, funny stuff. now just run along back to where ever it was you came from because no-one with an ounce of intelligence…….no……. this is where you belong, on this anti-united site. see ya.

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    LKHF

  • RobDiablo

    uncleknobheadforfucksake said:
    LKHF

    Careful, mate. AJ will interpret that to stand for Loves Katois (Thai Ladyboys), Hates Football.

  • captainhormone

    Unregistered User said:
    what was that morons, I couldn’t hear you due to the crap you where saying. tgr, captainmoron the two of you are quote funny people, I mean for two to reek of desperation the way you do is interesting. Not only are you arguably the two saddest gits I ever come across but you actualy believe you know whats going on, funny stuff. now just run along back to where ever it was you came from because no-one with an ounce of intelligence…….no……. this is where you belong, on this anti-united site. see ya.

    Aj, why so desperate for acceptance? Why are you so disparaging to the millions of UTD fan out there who all agree what the glazers are doing/have done/will do is wrong for the club….why are you so superior and arrogant in your attitude….why do you continue to make a fool of yourself

    you come across as being so desperate its quite pitiful now, i’m almost feeling sorry for you…in fact do you wanna msn so we can talk about your issues….i know we have got off on the wrong foot, but if ever you need to talk these problems through feel free to let me know…im there for you..i..no we care AJ

    we care for you AJ!

  • RedScot

    All I know is I got bollocks like a space hopper and waiting to shout for the lads later in the evening.
    Cmon you reds.

  • Aj

    hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. had to see what pathetic loser’s had to say on me during my absence and to see a despeate loser calling me desperate is priceless. I don’t give a damn about any of you or your worthless opinions and it really is sad when sme desperate nobody looking to make friends called me dsperate and claim I wanted acceptance. stupid fool, I am hated by alot of people and man I love it, I dont have a needy bone in my entire body unlike you lot. what a bunch of sad lonely delusional losers.

  • http://www.visual-intrusion.com Robbo

    How can you take anybody seriously who calls a Football Manager a “GOD” ? and why are opinions that differ from yours worthless ?

  • madmax

    lol one of the funniest threads in recent times. Reminded my of chris 1661 :)))

  • RyanTheDevil

    Here’s a conspiracy theory for you. What if tools like AJ are just Glazer minions sent to dumb down an otherwise excellent United website so that irritated readers will eventually stay away.
    Kill the readership, kill the protests…

    PS: And his spelling and grammar! My God!

  • captainhormone

    madmax said:
    lol one of the funniest threads in recent times. Reminded my of chris 1661 :)))

    chris suffered from autism too, there are a lot of comparisons in aj’s and chris’s behavior

    shame really as autism isn’t a laughing matter

  • captainhormone

    Unregistered User said:
    hahahahahahahahahahahahaha. had to see what pathetic loser’s had to say on me during my absence and to see a despeate loser calling me desperate is priceless. I don’t give a damn about any of you or your worthless opinions and it really is sad when sme desperate nobody looking to make friends called me dsperate and claim I wanted acceptance. stupid fool, I am hated by alot of people and man I love it, I dont have a needy bone in my entire body unlike you lot. what a bunch of sad lonely delusional losers.

    you lied when you said you were 23 didn’t you Aj…..i’d hazard a guess you’re about 16/17 and angry with your parents, so you use chat forums as a way of making you feel superior…..i notice you touched on bullying and how you are superior to people earlier, so i guess you get bullied and struggle for acceptance in the real world….a bit of a loner, who the “cool” kids mock and take the piss out of..so in situations like this you have to accentuate your presence in order to take some of the pain away, and to make yourself feel better about yourself

    I also imagine you are the type of gay that sends threatening PM’s to people…all the traits are there and the more you keep trying to get one over on people the more angry and resentful you get

    it must be horrible being you AJ… like i say, in all sincerity i do feel sorry for you and i reckon if you channeled that aggression into something positive you could make something of your life.

    like i say the offers there should you wanna talk

  • madmax

    captn,I think you posted it in the wrong thread. The above post clearly belongs in the chat up lines thread

  • captainhormone

    lol

  • RobDiablo

    captainhormone said:
    I also imagine you are the type of gay that sends threatening PM’s to people…

    LKHF

    Really butch, you mean?

    Loose Kit Hides Fanny?

  • captainhormone

    RobDiablo said:
    Really butch, you mean?

    Loose Kit Hides Fanny?

    whoops, i meant type of “guy”…… Freudian slip

  • captainhormone

    at first it crossed my mind, but the way he has disintegrated from being quite coherent (albeit wrong) to an inane child is quite startling……no, i’m sure if the Glazers wanted to do do that they’d use people with a little common sense

  • http://www.twitter.com/ECR_Research Marhta

    Hey! Is it OK if I go a bit off topic? I’m trying to read your website on my Blackberry but it doesn’t display properly, do you have any suggestions? Thank you for the help I hope! Marhta

    • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/admin/ Ed

      @Marhta – Well I used to have a mobile version but then got a plugin conflict and removed it. There’s an Apple iPhone version, doesn’t help you much though!

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    LKHF

    don’t fight it ed

  • Aj

    sorry captain10yeàrold, I was never bullied a day in my life and have had an ok upbrining and yes you stupid little boy I am 23 unlike you wo claim to be “36″ yet clearly a little weak 10y/o with a horrible life. I am one of the cool people in life and the fact alot of people hate me just made me even cooler, shame your just a delusional moron who is so desperate to be liked and can’t handle others disagreeing with you. whiles your busy being an angry little kid I wll just remain being awesome.

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    aj is 23

    LKHF IS DOWN WITH THE KIDS

  • sidney

    The fact you just called yourself cool means you’re not

    Cool people don’t call themselves cool

    I’m cool as fuck and I never use the term

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    EVERY POST BY ‘SIDNEY’ COMES WITH THE LKHF SEAL OF APPROVAL

    AJ IS A CUNT

    have that aj, LKHF says you’re a cunt, that means you’re twice as much of a cunt than a normal cunt like spike or pipey06

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    **checks scabs on knuckles**… still healing…

    You’re lucky Aj…

    **Goes for a shit instead**…

  • RobDiablo

    @AJ – Having seen your posts on this and other blogs, I have noticed the same pattern in your arguments that captainhormone has tried to point out to you – apparently, without success. So, I will give it a go.

    1) You leave a comment on a blog that takes a position in opposition to the author’s, and at this point you usually make two mistakes: you ascribe thoughts or intentions to the author that are not to be found in what he has written, and you support your points with faulty reasoning.

    2) Whenever you are called on one or both of your mistakes, you ignore it, choosing instead to back up your arguments with irrelevancies like how long and fervently you’ve supported the club.

    3) As the cycle repeats itself, your replies become increasingly shrill and less coherent, until you reach a point where no one can take you or your arguments seriously.

    Here’s an example of your faulty logic (again captainhormone pointed this out, but you ignored it): you start with a faulty syllogism: A. Sir Alex is the most successful manager in the history of English football, and B. Sir Alex says that the Glazers have been good owners, therefore C. the Glazers are good owners. You then compound your error by stating that you hate the Glazers. Why? Reason dictates that you cannot support two contradictory positions at the same time, so which is it? Do me a favor and answer just this one question.

    Lesbian Kills Homosexual Father

  • captainhormone

    Unregistered User said:
    sorry captain10yeàrold, I was never bullied a day in my life and have had an ok upbrining and yes you stupid little boy I am 23 unlike you wo claim to be “36″ yet clearly a little weak 10y/o with a horrible life. I am one of the cool people in life and the fact alot of people hate me just made me even cooler, shame your just a delusional moron who is so desperate to be liked and can’t handle others disagreeing with you. whiles your busy being an angry little kid I wll just remain being awesome.

    LKHF AJ