Liverpool loses dignity, respect and legitimacy



So the arguments are done, the verdict filed and the report offered: all 115 pages of it. And the ban – eventually – accepted by Luis Suárez and Liverpool for the Uruguay international’s racially motivated abuse of Patrice Evra on 13 October. Except they haven’t. Not really, with club and player still protesting innocence, defaming the Football Association and Patrice Evra in the process and, in full conspiratorial mood, suggesting evidence was deliberately missed by the independent panel. No genuine apology has been offered or ever will be by the Merseyside club or player for Suárez’ abuse of the United defender 10 weeks ago.

The truth, as established by the Independent FA Regulatory Commission is that seven times Suárez aimed abuse at the United player. Seven times he did so by referring in derogatory terms to the colour of the Frenchman’s skin. The facts, as former Liverpool manager Rafael Benitez once famously said, are no longer in doubt.

But the truth, it was once said, should never get in the way of a good story. Indeed, it has been one of the most disgraceful episodes in Liverpool’s history as the 119-year-old club set about deliberately prejudicing the most sensitive hearing the FA has held in years. From the get go, so the FA’s report tells us, Liverpool manager Kenny Dalglish slandered Evra, accusing the Frenchman of “doing this before” – an erroneous and offensive, but widely spread, piece of misinformation that the Senegalese-born Frenchman had made previously false accusations of racism. He hasn’t. Ever.

Meanwhile, the club issued a series of media briefings aimed at winning not the hearing, but in the court of public opinion, while constructing a case that we now know was built entirely on a lie. The lie that in Uruguay all instances use of the word “negro” is acceptable. The Commission, aided by two linguistics experts, systematically dismantled the excuse over 115 pages of the most thorough investigative report English football governance history.

Kenny Dalglish

Yet, Dalglish and player are steadfast in their refusal to fully apologise; utterly insistent that a widespread conspiracy, involving Manchester United, the FA, an Independent Commission and the media has taken down their man. Injustice they cry! It is has become a cult of total denial; a collective mental illness, led by the clan leader, Dalglish, who is taking hordes of followers with him.

“Ask a linguistic expert, which certainly I am not. They will tell you that the part of the country in Uruguay where he [Suárez] comes from, it is perfectly acceptable,” Dalglish told the media on Tuesday night.

He deliberately ignored the two linguistic experts used by the Commission that contradicted this position. The mind boggles.

“His wife calls him that and I don’t think he is offended by her. We have made a statement and I think it is there for everybody to read. Luis has made a brilliant statement and we will stand by him. We know what has gone on. We know what is not in the report and that’s important for us.

“I think it is very dangerous and unfortunate that you don’t actually know the whole content of what went on at the hearing. I’m not prepared, and I can’t say it, but I am just saying it is really unfortunate you never got to hear it. That’s all I’m saying. Wrong place, wrong time. It could have been anybody. I can’t answer for the FA, you ask them.”

Readers may be forgiven for thinking that, out-of-context, this is the rant of a madman, fuelled by suspicion, hate and delusion. Just because you’re paranoid, it doesn’t mean they’re not out to get you. Except this is no madman; Dalglish is quick-witted and in full control of his faculties, but still prepared to spread disinformation to the last. It is far more insidious than mere paranoia.

Almost universally outside insular Liverpool’s confines, the world of football has condemned the club for its stance. After all, Liverpool is a world renown institution that is a flag-bearer for English football. The club’s management should know better. And while United supporters can watch, dumbstruck by the utter ineptitude down the East Lancs Road, it is to football’s discredit that Liverpool has set out to destroy much of the work done to eliminate racism in football.

Voices of reason

Yet, the voices of reason will still hope that a recalcitrant Dalglish, perhaps prompted by the embarrassingly silent owner John W Henry, will eventually see sense. History suggests those voices do not hold their collective breaths.

“An apology would certainly help things because hen people do apologise it certainly moves things on,” Show Racism the Red Card chief executive Ged Grebby told Goal.com on Wednesday.

“I think that it would help the situation no end if he accepted that he had done wrong and personally apologised to Patrice Evra. If there was an element to this that he did understand the language differences then the easiest thing to do would have been to apologise.

“I think that Liverpool Football Club owe Patrice Evra an apology. They raised this issue about him having previous over the Chelsea incident when, if you look at that, it was two members of Manchester United’s staff that reported it. It was a legitimate incident. It wasn’t a red herring.

“The FA have sent out a really strong message to say that it is not acceptable in the game for there to be any kind of abuse where you are using people’s skin colour, religion or culture.”

Support for this position has come from across the football world, including those outside of a often parochial England. Indeed, for once the FA has set an example for which European nations can learn much. While racism is endemic in Spain, for example, the FA has taken a strong step in England.

Pressure from the FA?

And that is apparently a key tenet of Liverpool’s paranoid attack. That in seeking to take a strong line against racism, the Independent Commission has been pressured by the FA executive to, essentially, fake the findings of the report, an erroneously sanction Suárez. It is a nonsense that few outside of Liverpool’s fraternity will pay any heed to.

“Racial abuse between players on the field of play has been an unspoken taboo for too long, an area that has been unsatisfactorily dealt with by English football despite many cases over the past ten years,” said Piara Powar, Executive Director of Football Against Racism in Europe.

“We would also call on Liverpool FC to think again about their public campaign to dispute the charges and contest the principles involved in the case. As a club with an international standing the vehemency of their campaign is unquestionably causing them reputational harm, and has lead to Liverpool fans to become involved in a backlash of hatred on web forums and other public arenas.”

Liverpool backlash

That backlash has included some of the most obscene racist and deluded thinking ever experienced in the English football community. Racism, it seems, is more alive than ever if the content created on social media sites by Liverpool supporters is a barometer. The sad irony is that those Liverpool supporters subjecting Evra, Stan Collymore and others to racist abuse, do so in the name of ‘supporting’ a player accused of the very same crime.

Liverpool has much to answer for. The storm of vitriol, deliberately whipped up by the club and Dalglish, has intensified because of United’s involvement. Victimisation is well practised in Liverpool, but ‘injustice’ at United’s hands could never be accepted. Dalglish’s tweet, for example, when the panel’s verdict was announced shortly before the New Year that Suarez should “Never Walk Alone” pandered to the masses in crudest fashion.

It is a dangerous time for the game, concludes Professional Footballers’ Association chairman Gordon Taylor, who warns that racism is a curse that football must collectively challenge. Seemingly, in spite of Liverpool’s intransigence.

“Some issues are bigger than a player, the club or the game and racism is one of those. We have to learn from it and there should be no misunderstanding or ambiguity in the future,” adds Taylor.

“You don’t want such issues to divide clubs or society. We’re all in a football family but we’re all under the law of the land. Once a penalty has been paid and carried out we move on in a positive manner to make sure the penalty acts as a deterrent. The educational process continues.

“We all know the word ‘negro’ can be taken to mean a very inflammatory word. Any reference to the colour of a person’s skin has to be eradicated. In the heat of battle things can be said, but sometimes they go beyond what’s acceptable.  We have had 20 or 30 years of campaigning against racism. I hope we can move on from this and learn our lessons.”

Sadly, it is a lesson unlikely to be heard on Merseyside if the past two months is a barometer. One of England’s finest clubs, mired in hate and paranoia. Now devoid of dignity, barren of respect, and when it comes to race relations, without a shred of legitimacy.

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  • SuaRed

    By continuing to writing this drivel you’re leaving yourself open to real racist’s(be they from Manchester or Liverpool)hijacking this blog and taking it to a place you really don’t want it to go!

    As far as I’m concerned the whole Suarez Evra issue is not a simple as black or white!!! It’s gray. It’s not about football because a lot of Liverpool fans agree with the ban and a lot don’t! I personally don’t! Because being black I know that racism is a lot more than the word black or negro in this case!

    Like I said I’m black and if somebody said to me you black…I’d always reply, black what! The other or next word decides the context of it’s (the word blacks)use.

    I personally find these football related debates you try to dress as a morally correct crusade borderline racist, ignorant and offensive! You’re using my culture and ancestry as a tool to beat a rival football teams supporters with!

    It and you are not clever so just stop it!

    • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/profile/admin Ed

      SuaRed – and my skin colour is what? Yes, you don’t know. You’re right in saying that context matters, and the context as found in fact by the Commission was that Suarez attempted to wind up Evra and used his skin colour as the lever to do it:

      PE: Why did you kick me? LS: Because you’re black
      PE: Say that again. LS: I don’t talk to blacks
      PE: Say that again and I’ll bunch you. LS: Okay, blackie, blackie, blackie.

      • Damian Garside

        What’s red and white and hooded?

        The Liverpool chapter of the Klu Klux Klan.

      • malteserinhk

        Actually no… if you read the entire report it starts of by saying that it is not for Suarez to prove his is innocent, but for him to be proved guilty beyond doubt.

        Then you read onto the end, and they have a whole chapter on probability in which they say they believe given a number of facts that Suarez is likely to be lying because his statements don’t all match up.

        The entire report still comes down to Evra saying he said it 5 times, whilst Suarez said he said the word once. In this day and age with all that technology, and with so many players in the box, I find it hard to believe that not a single other Man United player heard it. All their testimony is Patrice said he was called something.

        Let’s not forget the fact that Suarez had to sit there with an interpreter all the way through.

        Their final outcome was that Suarez is not racist but he used comments referring to somebody’s race. By that same token, Evra himself confirmed that he called Suarez a South American. Where’s the ban then?

        • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/profile/admin Ed

          Malteserinhk – let’s get some facts straight because I doubt you’ve read the report given your poor command of them.

          1) At no point did the Commission seek to prove either “guilt” or “beyond a reasonable doubt” The Commision instead sought to find the probability of facts, based on the preponderance of evidence. If you don’t like this weighting then blame English civil law, because it’s a very commen way to approach law.

          2) The South American quote was not found in fact and given Suarez’ inconsistent evidence no weight was given to the claim, Nor was Evra ever charged, so how exactly was a ban to come about?

          So aside from, like almost all Liverpool fans, selective and inaccurate use of the report thanks for writing in without a deluge of racist bile.

  • TKP

    The sham moralism of the British media on this issue has been shameful – and of course you just have to join in. It got its pound of flesh yesterday – a token foreign player scapegoated to appease a collective skewed sense of self-righteousness in our reductive and binary cultural purview. But in reading the statements you can tell Liverpool and Suarez wanted to fight but felt cornered by the media and a growing number of anti-racist groups that have not been looking at the events evenly. I’m sad that Liverpool capitulated such pressure but glad they made a firm rebuttal in both statements released.

    The FA and national media (now including even the Guardian) have been over-keen to paint a black and white image but are guilty of applying reductionalist thinking in forcing their will. It is not a triumph for anti-racism but a triumph for a sham moralist witch-hunt – and the descrimination and defamation of a foreign player. And all by an FA that espoused apartheid and ignored the vulgar English brand of racism for years. I think Suarez will leave England the first chance he gets – as you can hear the powerlessness in his statement and sense the singularity in the way he has been treated. Sadly, the capitulation that you have vehemently called for will solve nothing – the player will still be branded as a racist on the terraces – and neither statement will be received in good grace by the pharisees in the media. A hollow victory for the Fergie-tainted association and their toadies – who have now enabled players to be targeted and convicted on hearsay from here on.

    The FA and the English media are guilty of the very thing the claim to rail against. Quite simply, it is not a righteous position to condone the skewing of evidence based upon character preferences, Convicting upon probabilities, treating witnesses unequally, condemning one player in an instance where both are alleged to trade insults, defaming one person’s character, setting up a template for hearsay convictions, and completely ignoring the cultural and linguistic elements of a case between two foreign players. Also, where you to do a modicum of research on Luis Suarez you would that his character history and social work in this area is impeccable.

    But of course you won’t because you belong to the club of self-righteous hypocrisy.

    • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/profile/admin Ed

      TKP – fine rant. But if you want to talk about reductionist thinking, let’s include your comment which fails to acknowledge, even once, the findings in fact that led to Suarez’ ban. He used Evra’s skin colour as a lever for vile abuse seven times. Until you can admit the facts as found your view has no weight whatsoever. Go on. Blame everybody else bar the perpetrator.

    • Triggs

      Nothing to do with the FA, it was an independent panel.

      “his character history and social work in this area is impeccable”. Good for him, you’d think he’d be more likely to acknowldege that what he was proven to have said was offensive.

  • ichiro

    There are so many moronic statements in that Dalglish press conference but my favourite is

    “His wife calls him that and I don’t think he is offended by her. “

  • GoonerDave

    Evra is no angel, and never seems to keep his mouth shut!
    That said, I agree with your article, and want to compliment you on it. Its well written, thorough and factual.
    The amount of fans commenting on this who clearly didnt read the report is staggering.
    This really is bigger than football. Or sport.
    Suarezs comments to Evra were revolting, but LFCs PR department should also be ashamed of themselves. They have done far more damage to Suarezs career than they would care to admit.
    Nobody outside LFC and its fans think Suarez was hard done by, and that tells a lot.
    Again, great article and keep up the good work!

  • Geno

    Suarez and Liverpool FC must have changed PR advisers as Suarez has now issued the following apology:

    “I admitted I said a word in Spanish once & only once. I told the panel I would not use it again on a football pitch in England. I never, ever, used this word in a derogatory way and if it offends anyone I want to apologise.”

    It is, to my mind, quite mealy-mouthed and deliberately worded in such a way as to be the absolute bare minimum required to qualify as an “apology”. He does not direct it towards Patrice Evra, just to anyone in general (eg any Liverpool fans) who was offended.

    Liverpool FC and Kenny Dalglish have yet to apologise for the incredibly slanderous insults they have made in relation to Patrice Evra’s credibility and character. I’m not holding my breath waiting for that apology.

    I heartily endorse every critical sentiment expressed by Ed in relation to the behaviour of Kenny Dalglish and of Liverpool FC.

    Having said that, I expect this is the best that Patrice is going to get, and it’s time to move on. You can forgive without being required to forget.

  • sidney

    It’s one of those bullshit apologies
    ‘…if it offends anyone I want to apologise’ – he doesn’t actually apologise; he says he wants to… and he also says’ IF it offends anyone”, which is conforming to the bullshit notion that fella subscribes to (can’t remember his name – the one who Squigs destroyed) that offence can’t be given, only taken
    Not quite as bad as the Fergie classic ‘I’m sorry you feel that way’ apology, mind

    • captainhormone

      Why should he apologise? Clearly it is all Evras fault this mess.

      FFS disgraceful club Liverpool are. Dire!

  • RyanTheDevil

    Simply put – Dalglish has slandered all the men on the panel. He should be sued for suggesting that there have been dark shennanigans in the background.

  • Brown man

    LFC can lose all the dignity, respect and legitimacy they like and they won’t come out of it any worse – if not smelling of roses !
    They’ll get an Everton player banned for 8 games too for Suarez’ comments. It was Chelsea.

  • captainhormone

    Don’t be daft ed, he won’t do that as he is a scouser. Its always everyone else’s fault bar their own. Only in this day and age can a simple case of rascist abuse be turned on its head and the aggressor become the victim. Well done liverpool for dragging us back 30 years. You have shit on Evra (who is the true victim here), and shit on your own heritage at the same time.

    Disgrace!

    • Damian Garside

      Can’t thery step back and think: what does this say about Liverpool football club? What does this say about what LFC has become.

      If it hadn’t involved one of our players, they may not have reacted in this way — which actually makes it worse: that they can forget themselves and their social responsibilities becaue they are blinded by their loathing (and, crazy at it may have once seemed) their jealousy of us.

      If I were a black footballer I would not want to play for them if this is their attitude towards racial equality.

      And please note: to a person of colour a racial insult is worse than anything because it instantly invokes the very sad history of racial exploitation on the planet, and denies the other person their common humanity. Maybe when we are all truly equal and race is seen completely differently and no longer is used to make someone feel less than human, then we can afford to be less intense in our repudiation of what Suarez said and did. But until that happy non-racial day such things cannot be tolerated.

      • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/profile/admin Ed

        Damian – Glen Johnson aside, no black footballers do play for Liverpool. Coincidence maybe, but most of Dalglish’s teams have had no or few black players.

        • Damian Garside

          And probably no black Scottish players.

  • Geno

    Great article by Lord Herman Ouseley, chairman of Kick It Out, on Liverpool’s hypocrisy here: http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2012/jan/05/luis-suarez-liverpool

    No commenting allowed on the Guardian site but there’s a report on the article on the Times site and Liverpool supporters are embarassing themselves there by calling for Lord Ouseley to resign from Kick It Out.

    Pretty soon someone from LFC’s PR dept is going to have start calling for these morons to shut the fuck up due to the damage their doing to Liverpool’s “global brand”.

    • Geno

      My favourite 2 paras from Lord Ouseley’s article:

      “Since the incident we’ve not heard a word of complaint from Evra about how his character has been besmirched by Liverpool. This is surely something the FA and the PFA and the whole of football should be concerned about: we can’t have a situation where there is just one side on the attack.

      Surely the new owners, with their experiences of equality and inclusion in the US, can see how their brand is being devalued, and if they sanction this sort of lack of professionalism and moral leadership, we may as well pack up and go home and forget about anti‑racism.”

      Well said, Lord Ouseley.

  • chocolatteballs

    If i were black and supported Liverpool fc i’d be disgusted with some of the abuse aimed at Evra by some ignorant racist fans and i’d start to think i was part of a whites only club.

    They have no case here, most of them don’t know there is a transcript never mind actually reading it and almost all of them think that it is Fergie that has put Evra up to this.

    Holy knights of Cloumbus.

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    didn’t john barnes come out and say that it was all a witch hunt against suarez?
    off top of my head you head sisoko, ngog, penant, cisse – must be more.

    • Geno

      Absolutely right about Barnes. That was before the panel’s report was released in all its gory glory. Barnes has yet to resurface to renew his defence of El Buzo. Perhaps he’s still on holidays. Or perhaps he’s locked up in Kenny’s attic with a gag stuffed in his mouth to prevent him from publicly recanting. This is after all the club whose fans attacked Alan Smith’s ambulance in 2006.

      Come to think of it, I guess it’s a bit harsh to consider many LFC fans to be latent racists. They hate white people too.

    • Geno

      Absolutely right about Barnes. That was before the panel’s report was released in all its gory glory. Barnes has yet to resurface to renew his defence of El Buzo. Perhaps he’s still on holidays. Or perhaps he’s locked up in Kenny’s attic with a gag stuffed in his mouth to prevent him from publicly recanting. This is after all the club whose fans attacked Alan Smith’s ambulance in 2006.

      Come to think of it, I guess it’s a bit harsh to consider many LFC fans to be latent racists. They hate white people too, damn it.

  • sidney

    Every Liverpool player regardless of race is going to toe the Liverpool line
    None of them are able to see through blind support for Dalglish, martyrdom status and rivalry with United – even over a serious issue like racism

  • squigs

    Ed said:
    Damian – Glen Johnson aside, no black footballers do play for Liverpool. Coincidence maybe, but most of Dalglish’s teams have had no or few black players.

    I think it’s very much coincidence tbh.

    They are still very much in the wrong here and have retaliated with typical self pity, paranoia and baseless counter accusations for which they are famed for. What Kenny Dalglish has to do to be called up on an FA disrepute charge I don’t know.

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    Commenter said:
    Absolutely right about Barnes. That was before the panel’s report was released in all its gory glory. Barnes has yet to resurface to renew his defence of El Buzo. Perhaps he’s still on holidays. Or perhaps he’s locked up in Kenny’s attic with a gag stuffed in his mouth to prevent him from publicly recanting. This is after all the club whose fans attacked Alan Smith’s ambulance in 2006.

    Come to think of it, I guess it’s a bit harsh to consider many LFC fans to be latent racists. They hate white people too, damn it.

    yep, how can barnes defend this now? i tend to agree with Squigs that this is cooincidence that LFC have not had that many black players.

    they of course had the Guv’Nor, Ince!!!

    IMO, the most underrated player of SAF’s reign.

    • shauno

      Once he admitted saying those words all that was needed was an acknowledgement that he was wrong and an apology. The issue would have been done and dusted.

      “I’m sorry for the words I used towards Patrice Evra and the controversy it has caused. I am not a racist but I made an error in judgement. I’d like to move on and concentrate on my football having learned a valuable lesson”.

      Whilst some would still hound him as they always will. Most wouldn’t. Importantly he would have repaired some of the damage. It’s that simple.

      It’s clear that he made a racial slur. Racial slurs are viewed very differently in Latin America. But it’s still a racial slur and he is not in Latin America. Did any of these Suarez supporters stick up for Ron Atkinson in the same way as Suarez? I doubt it. Ron Atkinson’s defence had similarities to Suarez. Didn’t help and rightly didn’t matter. I guarantee that as an individual Suarez would feel a whole lot better once he held his hands up and admitted his mistake. But he will not and that presents such a bad example on so many levels to so many people.

      • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/profile/admin Ed

        shauno – probably very right. whatever the apology it was a very serious charge but a genuine apology (which is certainly not what was issued) would have built a bridge.

    • Damian Garside

      I’m another big Ince fan: great midfield player: with him our midfield was imprenetrable!

  • Damian Garside

    Sorry, I mean “impenetrable”. Thinking of Ince made me use an extra `r’: lots of `rrrrr’ around when he was terrorizing opponents in midfield. Giggs and Park: has to be the polar opposite of the 94 midfield with Keane and Ince. Lots of `fff’s in a Park Giggs central midfield.

  • squigs

    http://www.liverpoolfc-newkit.co.uk/cgi-bin/forums/ikonboard.cgi?s=04452e83420b36d733ac82915e4df557;act=ST;f=1;t=28764;st=1720

    Go down about 9 posts to the banner of Martin Luther King and hear how he would support Suarez.

    Hillarity

    • shauno

      Just read that. That’s the most bionically deluded commentary I’ve ever read! I’ve travelled and surfed from Mexico to south Peru.

      I say this tongue in cheek but one of the few things Latin American countries can agree on is that they all hate each other equally!

      As for racism it exists, simple fact. I would compare the attitudes towards black South American’s similar to that of Britain in the 70′s. Casual racism is rife. You want to see how Costa Ricans treat Nicaraguans. Harsh really harsh. I went to a BBQ in Costa RIca at a Nicaraguan guys house who was friends with Italian mates (yes I am the most cosmopolitan gent on this forum lol). The shit he was going through to be with his Mrs in Costa RIca was nasty! Not having a go at Costa Rican’s love the people, love the country. Actually my favourite country in the world…hottest women in the world as well.

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    danniitronix said:
    yep, how can barnes defend this now? i tend to agree with Squigs that this is cooincidence that LFC have not had that many black players.

    they of course had the Guv’Nor, Ince!!!

    IMO, the most underrated player of SAF’s reign.

    Barnes won’t do anything to affect his hero status… even if he privately feels Liverpool need to shut up…

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    that’s true or he’s been brain washed as well.

    • Geno

      To be fair to Barnes, I’m guessing he honestly believed the witch-hunt line when he said it as the only info he would have been getting would have been coming from LFC. He probably winced when he saw the “negrito” stuff, which obviously turned out to be a total red herring, but he would have swallowed the line about how it was totally acceptable in Uruguay.

      Once the report came out and it was confirmed that Suarez had himself admitted to use of the word “negro”, I would imagine Barnes decided it would all be a lot easier for him if he kept a low profile for a while until this all blows over.

  • sheesh
  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/vannailyrooy/ nailyclops

    I can’t believe there are actually people defending Suarez, regardless of whether they’re Liverpool fans or not. You can’t tell me that a guy who played in Holland for 5 years (where racism also exists), for two different teams, and plays in the Uruguay team alongside players that play throughout Europe (where racism thrives), has been in England (where racism most definitely still exists), since last year and is fully aware of the ‘Kick Racism Out’ campaign, DID NOT know that the N word is offensive in most parts of the world? And for him to use it 7 times in not only a heated exchange with Evra, but in an overall, generally heated game too, and then try to claim that he was using it as a term of endearment? It’s absolutely crazy, how can people honestly believe this? Liverpool have SO much to answer for for stirring this up, and I’m not just saying this as a Utd fan. They, and in particular Dalglish, have been unbelievably ignorant, insensitive and downright irresponsible, just to serve their own purposes, without stopping for a second to look at the bigger picture here, which is far bigger than football. Their arguments, and those who back them, are laughable at best and absolutely disgraceful at worst.

    I now see that they’re going to try and have talks with Utd before Suarez’s return against Utd? They’ve created this situation, nobody else, although I do think Utd should agree to them as it will be a continuation of the dignified manner in which they, and especially Evra, have conducted themselves throughout this whole process. Apparently, Liverpool also want teams to be penalised for any fans that taunt Suarez about being a racist? If they’d have accepted this from the very start and held their hands up and just apologised, then this probably would’ve died down very quickly, but now because of their vehement denials and counter accusations, they’ve created the landscape whereby Suarez and their club will be targetted for a LONG time. And they have the cheek to now try and counter that?! But, of course, as is their way, it will be everbody else’s fault when it happens and Suarez eventually packs his bags for a country more inclined to accept racist attitudes (Spain, perhaps?). Liverpool need to take a long, hard look in the mirror and realise that they’ve dropped the biggest b@ll@ck imaginable, show some humility and not only back down, but hold their hands up and admit that they’ve got it wrong and apologise. We all know it won’t happen, though…

    Shauno’s right too, racism exists in South America and I can’t believe all these people trying to claim that it doesn’t. The claims that it doesn’t are completely and utterly absurd.

  • Geno

    There’s a great article doing the rounds of Twitter etc likening Liverpool FC to a religious cult. There’s one version of it here: http://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/msg/1325592326.html

    Although that links to a Stockport County board, apparently the article was originally written by a Chelsea FC fan who was trying to explain why Liverpool went nuts when CFC signed Torres.

    Fergie has apparently just said he doesn’t see any need for talks between LFC and MUFC. I think he’s probably right as I don’t think MUFC fans are as up in arms as LFC fans. Not that we don’t care about our man Evra, but we’re not f9vking nuts like the LFC fans and hopefully there won’t be any riots or massive violence when they come to OT.

    I’m more worried about our next visit to Anfield – I could see the LFC fans attacking the MUFC fan bus.

    • Geno

      I meant to say “team bus” but I wouldn’t rule out the MUFC visiting fans’ coach being attacked either!!!

  • sidney

    Commenter said:
    There’s a great article doing the rounds of Twitter etc likening Liverpool FC to a religious cult. There’s one version of it here: http://members3.boardhost.com/marionsboard/msg/1325592326.html

    Although that links to a Stockport County board, apparently the article was originally written by a Chelsea FC fan who was trying to explain why Liverpool went nuts when CFC signed Torres.

    Fergie has apparently just said he doesn’t see any need for talks between LFC and MUFC. I think he’s probably right as I don’t think MUFC fans are as up in arms as LFC fans. Not that we don’t care about our man Evra, but we’re not f9vking nuts like the LFC fans and hopefully there won’t be any riots or massive violence when they come to OT.

    I’m more worried about our next visit to Anfield – I could see the LFC fans attacking the MUFC fan bus.

    Very good article

  • sheesh

    Suarez will get everything he deserves at old trafford. If neither suarez nor liverpool can deliver a full and frank apology what is there to talk about?
    Lets not give them the opportunity to assuage their guilt.
    Fuck them.

  • http://www.sourceofgravity.com Bill
  • ltel

    no arrests made.. the young player is sure he was racially abused, 2 people ejected from stadium

  • sheesh

    Dirty bastards. I’m sure the apologists among the Scouse contingent will say it was only a minority, just like it was ‘only’ a minority that scrawled that racist bile on Twitter which Collymore caught hold of.
    I posted that above article from the Telegraph because it seems that one of their club icons (Tommy Smith) was a racist cunt as well.
    Racism is endemic on Merseyside, it seems, and little has changed over the years.
    Edit – It gets better: http://www.metro.co.uk/sport/oddballs/886639-robbie-fowler-criticised-over-blacked-up-lionel-richie-twitter-photo

  • sidney

    They are just idiots… absolute fucking idiots
    I caught a racist attack in town today. Some shlepper and his shlepper missus was having a go a dark skinned bloke, shouting shit like ‘you foreign cunt’ and ‘you shouldn’t even be here.’ I don’t know what started it off, but the way they were abusing this bloke was out of order. The woman was swinging for him over & over (and missing) while her fella shoved him, threatening to hit him
    The really sad thing was as soon as his missus started shouting racist bile, other people joined in, and started shoving the bloke, getting in his face etc. If one of them had have landed a blow, the rest would have got stuck the boot in, and the poor bloke had have been fucked
    And then you get Dalglish and LFC making Suarez out to be a victim FFS

  • sidney

    Collymoore reports racist cunt on Twitter to police https://twitter.com/StanCollymore

    Says since the Suarez shit he’s had to deal with racist abuse every day

  • ltel

    stan collymore is a twat, but what i seen on twitter is unbelievable. he has them by the bollocks. they should be jailed

  • Damian Garside

    Th3e Guardian have breaking news of racist abuse by Liverpoll fans against a black Oldham defender (Ademayami?) during the third round cup tie.

    This is going to get seriously ugly.

    Maybe they should put a sign up at Anfield: welcome to Brakpan RSA (by which I mean pre 94 Brakpan)

  • sheesh

    sidney said:
    Collymoore reports racist cunt on Twitter to police https://twitter.com/StanCollymore
    Says since the Suarez shit he’s had to deal with racist abuse every day

    The offender is a law student at newcastle uni. His name, email address and tel no are being shared all over the internet.
    Never thought i would say this in a million years given the guys own past, but collymore went up in my estimation for speaking out about the evra tweets. Stan has taken a lot of abuse himself (not just racist but people taking the piss out of his depression). I hope the police are more proactive in getting hold of these racists.

    • Damian Garside

      a LAW student. The mind boggles; hwta kind of law does he believe in and hope to practice? Nazi law?

  • ltel

    hes went up in mine too. from maggot to worm. still a leap upwards though

  • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/members/danniitronix/ danniitronix

    deffo esp as ex-scouser barnes has chosen to bury his head in sand whilst collyflower has got some balls.

    still, i suspect collyflower is using this also as media capital. cynical but its collyflower,

  • sidney

    The Adeyemi incident http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16452241.stm

    The poor fella was in tears, and even Gerrard had to help calm him down

    I can’t wait to hear Liverpool’s statement… ‘we absolutely condemn all racist abuse’ unless it involves your best player

  • ltel

    The statement reads:

    “Liverpool Football Club continue to work closely with Merseyside Police to establish all the facts surrounding the incident that occurred during last night’s game.

    “We take this matter extremely seriously and have today provided the Police with the evidence we currently have available to us.

    “This includes CCTV coverage and still photography of what we believe to be the relevant part of the stadium, statements from matchday stewards in that area and full access to all the footage captured by the cameras filming the match for our in-house TV operation.

    “In addition, we have examined records of the tickets purchased in that part of the ground to see if they provide any additional information and have passed that on to the Police.

    “Finally, we would also urge any of our supporters who witnessed this incident or saw the individual involved and who have not already done so, to contact either the Club or the Police.”

  • captainhormone

    “In addition, we have examined records of the tickets purchased in that part of the ground to see if they provide any additional information and have passed that on to the Police.

    Is it me, or is anyone else sensing another classic “it was Chelsea fans dat did dat la” moment, but this time it will probably be Utd fans as the culprits?

  • ltel

    2 mancs in shell suits, fake wigs and tashes did it.. i seen dem down der mate

  • ltel

    cops have arrested some scumbag over last nights typical scouse behavior….

  • http://www.sourceofgravity.com Bill

    Interesting to see what ban the fan gets. An 8 match one?! I would guess it would be a life one. If so shouldn’t Suarez get the same? His is worse as he used the inappropriate word 7 times! Both incidents happened at a football ground towards a player who provided a statement to confirm it. Liverpool will now throw the fan to the lions and let lovely Luis take his 8 match ban and then act as if nothing happened. A disgrace.

  • shauno

    This has all got totally out of hand for the simple reason that Liverpool FC couldn’t acknowledge a wrong doing. LFC have created this and given racist fans a platform to vent. I’m appalled. If the club and Dalglish had kept their heads down and accepted it for what it is then the fanatical idiots would have followed suit. But their position has given legitimacy to thoughts and ideas that would normally be kept under wraps. LFC need to sort this out!

  • shauno

    Also I had to laugh at the idiocy of Fowler. Not just the obvious but the fact his attempt at dressing like Lionel Richie just made him look like a sunburnt scouser.

  • sheesh

    Commenter said:
    Also I had to laugh at the idiocy of Fowler. Not just the obvious but the fact his attempt at dressing like Lionel Richie just made him look like a sunburnt scouser.

  • http://www.sourceofgravity.com Bill

    Shauno you have it dead right. Dogleash and Liverpool have no moral compass at all and the fans just copy them. Maybe one individual has an excuse (maybe) but not a whole organisation with a global fan base. The fans copy the lead of a religion (Liverpool FC) that has given them hope in a deprived area, and their God (Dogleash). A bit deep but this Oldham incident is a direct result of it. Their thinking is so basic. This is the world we live in.
    If they had come out and said we are sorry for whole incident and as a club we are going double our efforts in the fight against racism they might have more goodwill. In the case of Suarez if he just said I’ve made a massive mistake, I apologise and Im going to do some extra work for the FA to help the fight against racism ie lead initatives etc then it would have helped.
    Instead of which we have this playground like denial and siege mentality. T-shirts “A fantastic gesture” – we are backing our man – its so 70s. Its not about you or Liverpool or Suarez its about fighting racial prejustice. The sad thing is it is all about their ego. The worst side of the beautiful game.

  • ltel

    downing apparently arrested for beating a woman in a nightclub lol.. classless shitty club of cunts

  • sidney

    They need to keep their heads down for a bit

    It’s Dalglish’s responsibility

    They look like a club out of control

  • sheesh

    ltel said:
    downing apparently arrested for beating a woman in a nightclub lol.. classless shitty club of cunts

    Shame, he was the future of United on here.

  • ltel

    cal was rubbinng his cock all over downing a few months ago.. 1 goal 1 assist i think.. class

  • sidney

    What about Nasri

    What was all the fuss about in summer

  • sheesh

    ltel said:
    cal was rubbinng his cock all over downing a few months ago.. 1 goal 1 assist i think.. class

    There’s a joke on RedCafe that he’s still afraid to take a man on.

    Well, it made me giggle anyway.

  • http://www.newhallmedialtd.com Calvino

    ltel said:
    cal was rubbinng his cock all over downing a few months ago.. 1 goal 1 assist i think.. class

    I still prefer him to Ashley Young. Liverpool have misused him totally. Dalglish apart from being a racist classless thug is vastly overrated in the caoching department. Why spend all that money on a big target man; don’t play him often and when you do, you ask your best crosser of the ball to play from infield so that Enrique can overlap?

    It is so easy to blame players on the pitch by not watching what obtains as a game unfolds. Last season, his assist ratio was very high in a team that battled relegation.

  • sidney

    Misused him lol

    He’s just shite

  • George Smith

    I can’t remember – did Evra and Phelan apologise to Bethel? They accused him of saying something which was not proven. Evra should have just walloped Suarez if he said it. Can we not get over the petty arguments and just realise that we fans are being used by the media and we then dance for them just to prove it. Ferguson has despised them for years and now Dalglish has, thankfully, got onto the same wavelength. We do their work for them.

    • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/profile/admin Ed

      George – why should Evra apologise. He didn’t make an accusation about Bethel. If you doubt this go read the report. But hey, why let the truth get in the way!

  • sheesh

    United will meet Liverpool at Anfield in the FA Cup fourth round, on Saturday 28 January. The match, kicking off at 12:45 GMT, will be broadcast live in the UK on ITV1.

    Perfect. Nothing more annoying than waiting until Sunday for a big game.

  • brianofnazareth

    Liverpool have signed an African player to show they are not a racist club Samuel Bowenede. The club are now taking orders for his number 16 shirt and because of his long name his shirt will be printed up as Sam Bow for ease of printing. So order yours today and support your club. LFC, making racisim a thing of the future.

  • http://www.sourceofgravity.com Bill

    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16528325.stm

    Scouser jewell on the sexism tip now! Racism, sexism, what’s next ?!

  • sidney

    These stories aren’t going away… Liverpool as an ignorant shithole is a narrative that has legs in the press, and it all started with LFC and Dalglish’s bullshit stance on racism. I hope they know they are tarnishing the city’s name. But then they love it because it gives them a chance to feel persecuted
    Anyway, Gerrard and Mancini had a row in the tunnel about getting players sent off
    http://news.bbc.co.uk/sport1/hi/football/16522642.stm
    Gerrard is sort of sticking up for Rooney

  • han

    ltel said:
    cal was rubbinng his cock all over downing a few months ago.. 1 goal 1 assist i think.. class

    that image just won’t go away after reading that…
    ffs tel please not so graphic in future

  • han

    brianofnazareth said:
    Liverpool have signed an African player to show they are not a racist club Samuel Bowenede. The club are now taking orders for his number 16 shirt and because of his long name his shirt will be printed up as Sam Bow for ease of printing. So order yours today and support your club. LFC, making racisim a thing of the future.

    u anus

  • baloo

    Ed said:
    Malteserinhk – let’s get some facts straight because I doubt you’ve read the report given your poor command of them.

    1) At no point did the Commission seek to prove either “guilt” or “beyond a reasonable doubt” The Commision instead sought to find the probability of facts, based on the preponderance of evidence. If you don’t like this weighting then blame English civil law, because it’s a very commen way to approach law.

    2) The South American quote was not found in fact and given Suarez’ inconsistent evidence no weight was given to the claim, Nor was Evra ever charged, so how exactly was a ban to come about?

    So aside from, like almost all Liverpool fans, selective and inaccurate use of the report thanks for writing in without a deluge of racist bile.

    Is it just me or does anyone else never actually see some of the posts (obviously critical) that Ed responds to? Are they removed?

  • http://www.sourceofgravity.com Bill
  • Dinkinflicker

    Ah, the new scouse approach: ‘I can’t be racist, my mate’s black’….

    http://www.liverpoolfc.tv/news/latest-news/lfc-makes-new-friends-1

  • sheesh
  • Alfonso Bedoya

    This game has me worried… don’t care that much about the Cup this year to be honest… but this game has all the ingredients for bad tackles and red cards.

    Just hope we get out with all our players still available for the next league game.

  • sidney

    There is going to be a shitload of racist comments from stands. It’s going to be a nasty, bitter game. And it’s going to effect everyone – not just the black players.
    Fergie will go to Evra, Welbeck, Valencia etc. and talk to them about it before the game, and maybe even ask them if they want to play, because it’s gonna be nasty. And if something is said I guarantee the players will ignore it, because nobody wants to go through what Evra has been though; the smear campaign, the race card bullshit etc.
    As for the match, I fancy a win. Liverpool have one hand on the League Cup, so I reckon they’ll play their first team on Wednesday night against City. Hopefully it will be a big dramatic emotionally knackering game, and they will be hungover on Saturday.

  • sheesh

    Liverpool normally raise their game against us but they will be knackered going into this weekend’s fixture. Playing a Wednesday evening fixture (that will hopefully go into extra time) and then going into a Saturday early afternoon kick off will take a bit out of them.
    Hopefully, Nani and Rooney will have had enough time to get over their knocks. We need a fast start, for sure.
    Fergie will probably play Giggs which is something I would be against. He will give the ball away half the time. We shouldn’t play Scholes, either. Young and Cleverley may be back for this one…maybe Anderson as well.

  • sheesh

    From being out for a few weeks, according to Fergie, United are apparently hopeful that Jones will be back for the Liverpool game.

    Nani is a doubt and there are fears he may have cracked a metatarsal, according to the Daily Mail. Could be bollocks.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/football/article-2090790/Nani-set-miss-Manchester-United-FA-Cup-tie-Liverpool.html?

  • sidney

    If Nani has done his metatarsal then fuck everything

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    if he has park will be the end of our title challenge

    we’ll beat liverpool than get leeds away to complete the set

    if theyre still in the fa cup, dunno

  • captainhormone

    I think it is time for people to remember how much we should always hate Leeds regardless of what league they are in.

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