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Special one applies for special job

November 1, 2010 Tags: Opinion 55 comments

Sir Alex Ferguson says that Manchester United must appoint an experienced manager as his successor, with the Scot likely to retire come summer 2012 at the latest. Little surprise then that Real Madrid boss José Mourinho has very publicly applied for the job this weekend. Mourinho’s contract at Madrid conveniently ends in 2012.

Such is Mourinho’s desire to manage Manchester United that only a boardroom impasse will halt the Portuguese coach’s appointment to the Old Trafford hotseat in 18 months time. Noises emanating from Mourinho’s camp in recent weeks have strongly suggested that even limited financial backing under the Glazer regime will not put the 47-year-old off.

While it is thought some Old Trafford insiders, such as Bobby Charlton, are not keen on appointing Mourinho, the weight of momentum seems firmly behind the former Inter Milan coach.

Indeed, Mourinho yesterday called the United job one fit only for a “special” manager. No heavy hint intended, of course. Although the coach, dubbed the “translator” in Barcelona after his spell in the city under Bobby Robson, does not expect the position to be vacated anytime soon. Not until 2012 that is.

“Football without Alex Ferguson? I’m not sure that will happen any day soon,” said the Real Madrid coach.

“The man lives and breathes football and Manchester United is his club. His hunger and desire to win the biggest trophies remains so I cannot see the day he considers walking away from football approaching.

“The Manchester United job is special and only a special manager is good enough to take the job on if and when it does become available.

“Of course, jobs like that don’t become available every day so the interest will be vast. It’s a job everyone will want.”

Mourinho will arrive at Old Trafford with plenty of baggage of course. The Portuguese’s monumental ego, often so extravagant that the line between coach and club is inseparable, too often crosses that unhealthy horizon between confidence and arrogance. It’s an accusation that can never be levelled at Ferguson, whatever his obvious fallibilities.

Ferguson, in his own mind at least, has become United and when he eventually retires this will come crashing down around his ears but for the moment it is often United’s source of unity and strength.

The former Porto coach also has limited track record of developing young players, although this is of little surprise given that Mourinho has failed to keep a job more than three years in a career that has already spanned six clubs at managerial level. In fairness to Mourinho his current side is packed with young talent, not that he played any part in their development of course.

Moreover, with the youth football market more globalised by the day, Ferguson hasn’t truly brought through a young Mancunian since Wes Brown in 1998. In the intervening years only John O’Shea, Jonny Evans and Darren Fletcher have made it out of United’s academy and into regular first team action. The rest – to many sadly – are ever younger imports from far afield.

This isn’t an explicit criticism of Ferguson though. It is harder than ever before to push local talent through an academy in the face of short-term pressures and the competitive global market for youth talent.

Another accusation levelled at Mou is that the coach needs huge funds to build a team. Certainly at Chelsea Roman Abramovich lavished Mourinho with unlimited funds. Who wouldn’t take them? Success came with Michael Essian, Didier Drogba and Petr Cech among others; many of the coach’s cheaper purchases failed though. Elsewhere, Mourinho’s success was built on more modest means.

Mixed success in the transfer market is true of most of the world’s leading coaches. Ferguson is certainly not immune to the criticism of failure in the transfer market – at either end of the scale.

Meanwhile, this summer’s purchases of Mesut Özil and Sami Khadeira by Mourinho for a combined £24 million arguably look better value than Ferguson’s similar sum spent on Chris Smalling, Javier Hernandez and Bébé. Angel di Maria cost significantly more but the Argentinian’s quality is such this season that it already looks like money well spent. The jury though is still out on €10 million Pedro Leon.

The point is not to compare as it is irrelevant but whatever the many drawbacks with Mourinho, United will probably be in safe, albeit short-term, hands.

Ferguson is a keen admirer and friend of Mourinho despite their long-standing rivalry in England. Implicitly the United manager endorsed Mourinho this week, subscribing to the view that the United job has specific requirements.

“I don’t think Manchester United could ever go down the road of having a young manager, to be honest with you,” said Ferguson after the Wayne Rooney contract saga concluded last week.

“It’s a job that needs a lot of experience at the top end of the game. We have the benefit of my 24 years at the club, so fortunately that’s the way we could deal with it.

“At Manchester United, you can never be surprised. There is always something happening in the club and there are always issues to deal with.

“To be manager of our club, you have to have someone strong who can deal with all these issues.”

Mourinho is certainly that but perhaps the criticism of the Setúbal-born coach that strikes most deeply at Old Trafford is of his teams’ style of play. Certainly Inter’s display at Camp Nou last season was one of the most negative witnessed in recent years. Chelsea rarely thrilled with attacking football under Mou.

But then comes the contradiction, with Real Madrid boasting a plus 20 goal difference after nine games this season. Arguably, Los Merengues is playing the best football on the planet.

Certainly better than anything United has come up with since Cristiano Ronaldo’s departure in summer 2008.

Mourinho is a figure many United fans love to hate. Reds may have just 18 months to get used to the idea.

55 comments

Rob - November 1, 2010 Reply

Would love to see him manage United after Fergie has finished his time with us. I can see it being around 2012-2013 after Mourinho has won a few things with Madrid and Scholes, Neville and Giggs will have almost certainly retired at United.

Jools - November 1, 2010 Reply

“Certainly Inter’s display at Camp Nou last season was one of the most negative witnessed in recent years”.

This sentence should probably have read “Certainly Inter’s display at Camp Nou last season was the most negative witnessed since United’s turgid showing in 2008”

baggio365 - November 1, 2010 Reply

i have said this many times in the old rant

to me, the only manager who can successfully replace fergie is mourinho. given out mountain of debt, it is imperative that we continue to be relatively successful in the short term after fergie’s retirement. to take over from fergie, for anyone, will be huge shoes that they are filling. they need to change the way the club has operated for almost a quarter of a century. if giggs/neville/scholes havent retired by then this will make it harder. they will also probably get rid of some of fergie’s favourites like o’shea and brown, which might unsettle the dressing room and the fans given that they are both home grown. and they must be successful with limited cash. any of these problems in isolation, is a lot to handle for any manager. have all of them, and it is the toughest job in football. to me mourinho is the only man with the charisma, arrogance and tactical brilliance who could do more than an adequate job of replacing fergie (lets face it the man is irreplaceable, despite what unkle knobhead might have u believe)

will he play attractive football? maybe not in the biggest most important games, but he’ll want to win the fans over, so we’ll see lots of goals, especially against weaker teams. porto, chelski, inter and real all scored goals in clashes against minnows.

will he develop young players? maybe given the time he will. and at inter, he did throw the likes of balotelli and santon into the fray

will he stick around for a decade? well who knows. chances are he will get bored and move on within 5 yrs, but the thing is those 5 yrs are the most important 5 years in this club’s history. in those 5 years (from 2012 to 2017) we are currently required to pay of most of the debt. we are also going to be experiencing the post-fergie blues. we will probably have to rejuvenate the squad with little money and keep us relatively successful (by that i mean at least qualify for CL every year and win the odd cup in that period) once we get through that period, things will be a lot smoother sailing. the next empire builder in the mode of busby and fergie could take over, knowing that the shadow of fergie and the mountain of debt (hopefully) will no longer be there.

the only man to do all this, is mourinho

Triggs - November 1, 2010 Reply

Heard some talk of Ancelotti also being interested when Fergie retires. Mourinho is in pole position at the moment, but personally I’d like to see someone come in to do the job for five years at least and there’s no way you’d get that commitment from Jose.

It’ll be interesting to see how Keano is doing at Ipswich when Fergie retires. If he managed to sneak his way into the Prem and did well, he’d have to be included in the shortlist.

Ultimately, football changes very quickly, so predicting who will be where and which manager’s profiles will be on the up is very difficult. Furthermore, I think it will only bt health or success, such as a further EPL or CL, which will decide when Fergie will retire rather than mere time.

herbie simms - November 1, 2010 Reply

Although Mourinho has shown interest in the job, I wonder if he would really want it. Maybe not as long as the Glazers are there because they are not going to give him any big money and Mourinho is always looking to buy the best of players. He would want to bring Ronaldo back to OT also. Hopefully, the Gazers will be long gone by the time all of this goes down. He would have to stick with the United program and develop the youngsters.

mongoletsi - November 1, 2010 Reply

You said you knew he was coming here in 2 years, bringing Ronaldo with him (and Rooney too). You said you knew this. You said this was the plan.

uncleknobheadforfucksake - November 1, 2010 Reply

you’re spot on there jools, and kudos on your hootenannys

at least inter had the excuse of being a man down, and did actually attack in the home leg

and incidently mourinho says he misses england and when he comes back it’ll be for the long term, he won’t swan in turn the club upside down and leave after two years again, he lovess fergie too much to do that

uncleknobheadforfucksake - November 1, 2010 Reply

I still have visions of him plumping fat john in front of the back four as a stopper ala motta tho

but he’ll definitely turf out berbatov which is great

sidney - November 1, 2010 Reply

He won’t rate a few of our players. O’Shea will be first out the door.

The job is his. The only question is will he work under the tightarse Glazers and can they afford him

I think they can. They need a proven winner in charge to keep United ticking over

herbie simms - November 1, 2010 Reply

It is possilbe that SAF may not wish to bring in any new players just yet because if he can win the Premier League with the players he already has, he may just retire in the summer 2011! He would have broken the tie between United and Liverpool for the most wins and he could retire on a high note. That would also leave money that is already there, for the new manager coming in to use to buy players of his choice. Just food for thought.

RobDiablo - November 1, 2010 Reply

I do not believe that the end justifies the means, so I do not want Jose Mourinho and his dirty, negative football anywhere near Old Trafford. Momentum does, indeed, seem to be swinging his way, however; several former detractors are now warming up to the idea based on the attractive football Real Madrid are playing. Does anyone really believe that Jose will arrive to find United teeming with anything like the talent he found available at Real Madrid, or the budget to make significant improvements? Perhaps Sir Alex is refusing to spend now in order to build up a war chest for Mourinho? No, it appears that the one silver lining of the Glazer takeover is likely to be that United will not be in a position to afford Jose any time soon.

Does no one else think it ironic that due to the success United has enjoyed under Sir Alex, the current supporters would not be willing to give the next potential Sir Alex the time the original received to put his team together? What a bunch of glory hunters. Even if they do get their wish and Jose comes to United, he won’t stay long and will almost certainly leave the club in even more financial disarray and with a truly crap product on the pitch.

When the Glazers first took over, I tried to transfer my affection for United elsewhere but without success. If Jose Mourinho becomes our next manager, I won’t make another attempt, instead, I will probably go into some sort of football hibernation, emerging only after the Special Winter has passed.

Brown - November 1, 2010 Reply

I would love to see Jose Mourinho coach Manchester united in the not too distant future, he is simply an amazing coach.
To be frank i don’t see any coach out there with the capability of steadying the ship when Fergie retires.

Dont be surprise he might be considering solskjaer as his replacement.

I wouldn’t want united to go though what clubs like Real Madrid have suffered since after the coaching post was vacated be Vicente Del Bosque.

herbie simms - November 1, 2010 Reply

I agree with you RobDiablo 100%. Mourinho is a glory hunter, he jumps from club to club and when he does not get the money he wants, he’s gone! How long would he stay at OT? He would probably come there, win the league and Champions league and then move on to Bayern Munich. Would he continue to develop the youth program and bring the youngster into the Premier team. I know this is not his style, he likes to manage a team already made up of so called superstars. The Glazers do not have that kind of money to pay Mourinho so I guess the fans will all have to get together and pay him.

RobDiablo - November 1, 2010 Reply

Unregistered User said:
To be frank i don’t see any coach out there with the capability of steadying the ship when Fergie retires.

Well, Frank, it seems that your metaphor has one essential flaw: no one can steady a sinking ship. At a time when supporters ought to be redoubling their efforts to force the Glazers out, they’d rather sit back and anticipate the coming glory days under Mourinho. With what money, I ask?

“We want Glazers out, we want… What’s that… Mourinho to be our next manager…” Dreams of winning number 19 are rapidly succeeded by scenes of future European glory before the supporter is roused from his slumber by the voice of B. L. Zebub. Wiping the drool from his chin and shifting his backpack to his lap to hide his erection, the supporter says with a faltering voice, “sign at the bottom, in blood… that sounds painful… but it will be totally worth it, right Mr. Zebub?”

herbie simms - November 1, 2010 Reply

I know Martin O’Neill’s name had come up in the past but no one don’t want him. He would contine the developing process of the young players but maybe no good for the premier league team. Moyes name has been mentioned and Eric Cantona. Next they be saying Diego Maradona! Can’t take any of these comments serious.

chintogtokh - November 1, 2010 Reply

Wouldnt it be great if Solkjaer or Giggs would coach?

herbie simms - November 1, 2010 Reply

Ole Solskjaer is doing a great job with the youngsters and he knows the United setup. But to replace SAF is a tall order. It maybe a little to early to talk about SAF retiring and he has not given any hint that he will retire anytime soon.

Bill - November 1, 2010 Reply

Has to be Jose when Fergie retires.

RobDiablo - November 1, 2010 Reply

Unregistered User said:
Has to be Jose when Fergie retires.

That did it; I’m convinced.

Seriously, is there anyone who would like to provide a believable timeline of events that would allow Jose Mourinho to come to United and win everything on offer? I’d like some guesstimates on which players move on and for how much, the names, transfer fees, and salaries of the players he would bring in, and how the most indebted club in the entire world is going to be able to pay for it all.

bman - November 1, 2010 Reply

RobDiablo said:
Well, Frank, it seems that your metaphor has one essential flaw: no one can steady a sinking ship. At a time when supporters ought to be redoubling their efforts to force the Glazers out, they’d rather sit back and anticipate the coming glory days under Mourinho. With what money, I ask?

“We want Glazers out, we want… What’s that… Mourinho to be our next manager…” Dreams of winning number 19 are rapidly succeeded by scenes of future European glory before the supporter is roused from his slumber by the voice of B. L. Zebub. Wiping the drool from his chin and shifting his backpack to his lap to hide his erection, the supporter says with a faltering voice, “sign at the bottom, in blood… that sounds painful… but it will be totally worth it, right Mr. Zebub?”

If he can with Porto he can win with United. I think you’ve got it backwards, it’s because the future is so uncertain that the more or less guarantee of competitiveness Mourinho gives you is so appealing. It’s true that he’s gotten used to overspending clubs now though — Real, Inter, and Chelsea all live beyond their means.

RobDiablo - November 1, 2010 Reply

bman said:
If he can with Porto he can win with United. I think you’ve got it backwards, it’s because the future is so uncertain that the more or less guarantee of competitiveness Mourinho gives you is so appealing.

I can understand why you find the “guarantee of competitiveness” attractive, but I don’t believe that I have it backwards at all. If Jose comes to United, he will find that he does not have the players or the funds to create The Galacticos UK, so he will be forced to go the “Porto” route and put together a side of the most cynical cheaters available. United will be the most hated club in the land, only now, deservedly so; they will become Stoke with a trophy cabinet.

herbie simms - November 1, 2010 Reply

Yes, he won at Porto but since he has left Porto, he seems to have become more of a glory hunter. I could be wrong, he could come to OT and be willing to continue where SAF left off. And if thats the case, it could turn out to be a great move!

Alfonso Bedoya - November 1, 2010 Reply

Like him or not, Ferguson came to United when it was rubbish, and completely changed the structure and attitude of the club.

Ferguson made United what it is today… United had the history, and the prestige, but no foundation. United is the biggest, most recognised sporting brand on the planet, and that’s mostly down to Ferguson.

However, football has changed a lot in the past 10 years. The money involved, the demand for immediate success… I doubt we’ll see the likes of Ferguson or Wenger again. Not at the biggest clubs anyway. Everton may keep the likes of Moyes, but expectations there are relatively moddest.

United, Real, Arsenal, Barca, Chumpski, and now the Bitters, have no patience for mediocrity… Fergie and Wenger earned their right to survive a few lean years… those days are gone.

Once Fergie leaves United… Wenger, Arsenal… incoming managers will be given their limited chance, and then replaced, if results don’t impress enough.

My point is this… Mourinhos’ record of success will get him any job he wants, and his style won’t matter a jot to his employers, as long he wins… and the simple fact is… he does win. And saying he switches jobs too readily, isn’t exactly fair… had he not fallen out with the Cossack, he might still be at Chumpski.

Mourinho is the best manager in the world over the past ten years, based solely on success… and his only remaining ambitions are United and Portugal… and accornding to the man himself, Portugal can wait.

Ferguson loves him, and Mourinho still calls Fergie “The Boss”… a very classy bit of respect… when Fergie calls it a day, I think he’ll move upstairs beside Charlton, and any new manager will struggle to have Fergie casting a shadow… that friendship, and mutual respect with Mourinho could make all the difference.

Long term managers are a thing of the past, but Mourinho’s young enough to give us 8/10 years… I’d take that.

And… Mourinho loves to play up to the fans… and he’s got the ego… he just might be the one to publicly stand up to the Glazers… which might well be the reason he doesn’t get the job.

herbie simms - November 1, 2010 Reply

Good point. He did say he was anxious to coach again in England and Mourinho and Fergie are good friends. I don’t dislike Mourinho as a person and yes he is the most successful manager at the moment. Will have to see what happens when Fergie decides to call it a day.

RedScot - November 2, 2010 Reply

@alphonso, good post tell me please where in Maureen’s cv does it say he will stick it out at any club?
You really want a bunch of whores at United? Robbing the club.
Its a total nonesense to lurch lke this.
We need stability and to think!
Not someone who can win and win. Anyways as has been raised he needs a bucket load of cash, and we are cash poor.
No respect for youth, Sir Alex is building a great young exciting pool for his replacement. It aint Maureen.
Jaysus fuck, you base these judgements on friends.
Its buisness lads.
Read the post, the reason Madrid are playing so attacking thinking, who do they have as the spearhead. Our own Ronaldo. What else can this boring manager do!

lets appoint him, when the Glazer are still here, and see the shite hit the fan.

bman - November 2, 2010 Reply

Alf, agree 100% with everything there. I’d imagine he’d only come with a solid promise from the owners about how much he had to spend.

Alfonso Bedoya - November 2, 2010 Reply

Unregistered User said:
@alphonso, good post tell me please where in Maureen’s cv does it say he will stick it out at any club?
You really want a bunch of whores at United? Robbing the club.
Its a total nonesense to lurch lke this.
We need stability and to think!
Not someone who can win and win. Anyways as has been raised he needs a bucket load of cash, and we are cash poor.
No respect for youth, Sir Alex is building a great young exciting pool for his replacement. It aint Maureen.
Jaysus fuck, you base these judgements on friends.
Its buisness lads.
Read the post, the reason Madrid are playing so attacking thinking, who do they have as the spearhead. Our own Ronaldo. What else can this boring manager do!

lets appoint him, when the Glazer are still here, and see the shite hit the fan.

WTF?

RobDiablo - November 2, 2010 Reply

To those of you who clammer for the arrival of Jose Mourinho as Sir Alex’s replacement despite the fact that he is the antithesis of everything that is United, and would excuse it by claiming that it is the way of the modern world, I say shame on you. You have moved beyond appreciating success to being addicted to it, and, as addicts, you would sell yourselves, your club, its history, and everything for which it stands for just one more league title, one more triumph in Europe. Take a good look in the mirror, and you will see that you have become that which you once professed to hate: a glory hunter.

kramer - November 2, 2010 Reply

the fuck you on about rob? the fact of the matter is that if united are to survive with this debt, the team needs to do great on the pitch. that is what mourinho brings, more so than any other manager. he also has the balls to take on the job. or would you rather have a roy hodgson situation at united?
and please cut out this shit about his teams not playing the united way. we haven’t played the fucking united way in about 3 seasons.

sidney - November 2, 2010 Reply

Rob, Fergie is the best in the biz. When he goes, Mourinho will be the best in the biz

It’s simple

Would you rather have some unproven unqualified inexperienced ex-legend, like Ole, to fulfill your Top Red fantasies?

Fuck that, play it safe, get the best

And, right, all this bollocks about Mourinho playing boring football should watch Madrid; they’re on fire playing attractive football and scoring shitloads of goals

And anyway, are United really that exciting to watch at the minute? In Europe? Away from home? 451/433 is used almost as much as 442. We had 3 in midfield against Sunderland and at home against Bursaspor FFS. That’s how it is now. It’s not the 90s anymore

RobDiablo - November 2, 2010 Reply

kramer said:
the fuck you on about rob? the fact of the matter is that if united are to survive with this debt, the team needs to do great on the pitch. that is what mourinho brings, more so than any other manager. he also has the balls to take on the job. or would you rather have a roy hodgson situation at united?
and please cut out this shit about his teams not playing the united way. we haven’t played the fucking united way in about 3 seasons.

Really? Mourinho and Hodgson are our only choices? Why don’t you pull your head out of your ass, quit spouting the party line about Jose equalling success, and address the questions I have asked. Jose came to a Chelsea side that was already there or thereabout – very similar to United at present, and with the help of hundreds of millions of pounds, he managed to fashion a side that won the Premiership twice, but he is often accused of having left the side worse off than he found it. Where are the hundreds of millions of pounds for a similar transformation at United going to come from?

Love your logic, as well. United are already playing shit football, so its okay if they deviate even further from the ideal. Here are some simple truths: 1. you cannot embrace the history and tradition of United and reach for Mourinho at the same time, 2. you cannot rationalize your behavior on the basis of “everyone else is doing it” and hate the Glazers for seeing a financial opportunity and grabbing it before someone else did without becoming a hypocrite, and 3. you cannot make the consequences of an action go away simply by ignoring them; you might be able to delay their arrival slightly, but sooner or later the price of having been taken over by the Glazers will have to be paid. I am advocating that we face up to the problem now, get rid of the Glazers, and then rebuild the team from a position of being a top earner unencumbered by debt.

RobDiablo - November 2, 2010 Reply

sidney said:
[1] Would you rather have some unproven unqualified inexperienced ex-legend, like Ole, to fulfill your Top Red fantasies?

[2] And, right, all this bollocks about Mourinho playing boring football should watch Madrid; they’re on fire playing attractive football and scoring shitloads of goals.

[1] That Top Red comment was a cheap shot, glory hunter.

[2] I have already addressed this, but I’ll recap: the quality of United’s squad is not as high as that found at the Real Madrid that Mourinho walked into, and no one seems able to tell me where the money to buy the kind of top-quality players Real Madrid have would come from. It seems unlikely that United will be able to close that gap in quality appreciably, so it also seems unlikely that the football they play will resemble that played at Real Madrid at present.

Bringing in Mourinho, would be like treating someone who’s been gut shot with a bandaid and morphine; sure, the edge has been taken off the pain, but the victim is still bleeding out.

sidney - November 2, 2010 Reply

RobDiablo said:
[1] That Top Red comment was a cheap shot, glory hunter.

[2] I have already addressed this, but I’ll recap: the quality of United’s squad is not as high as that found at the Real Madrid that Mourinho walked into, and no one seems able to tell me where the money to buy the kind of top-quality players Real Madrid have would come from. It seems unlikely that United will be able to close that gap in quality appreciably, so it also seems unlikely that the football they play will resemble that played at Real Madrid at present.

Bringing in Mourinho, would be like treating someone who’s been gut shot with a bandaid and morphine; sure, the edge has been taken off the pain, but the victim is still bleeding out.

Your argument that Mourinho plays boring football is bollocks because his Madrid team are simply brilliant. 25 goals in 9 games. And when Chelsea won both league titles, they scored as many or more goals than us, if my memory serves me correctly.

The team Mourinho would inherit this season (possibly not next season or further into the future) isn’t as good as what he has at Madrid, true. But then surely no manager can come in and make United play exciting football because of the players they have to work with? That doesn’t seem like a solid argument to me.

Truth is we have shitloads of attacking talent and a few special players. Compliment those with one or two top draw midfielders and we have a brilliant 11 that would play exciting football and slap most teams

I understand why some fans don’t want Moany at United, but when knobheads like you get all KEEP THE RED FLAG FLYING HIGH, I just ‘ant got time for it

RobDiablo - November 2, 2010 Reply

sidney said:
I understand why some fans don’t want Moany at United, but when knobheads like you get all KEEP THE RED FLAG FLYING HIGH, I just ‘ant got time for it

I really don’t know what you’re on about, here. I have a concept of United that I hold near and dear to my heart; I imagine that you do as well. The fact that my vision of United may not be exactly the same as yours, does not make it any less valid, neither should it act as an invitation to name-calling and derision.

I do understand why some supporters want Mourinho to come to United, but I believe that rather than acting to alleviate United’s financial difficulties, it will exacerbate them. Put another way: the short term fix of installing Jose as the manager is likely to make recovering from the damage the Glazers are doing and will continue to do that much harder to recover from in the long term.

sidney - November 2, 2010 Reply

RobDiablo said:
I really don’t know what you’re on about, here. I have a concept of United that I hold near and dear to my heart; I imagine that you do as well. The fact that my vision of United may not be exactly the same as yours, does not make it any less valid, neither should it act as an invitation to name-calling and derision.

I do understand why some supporters want Mourinho to come to United, but I believe that rather than acting to alleviate United’s financial difficulties, it will exacerbate them. Put another way: the short term fix of installing Jose as the manager is likely to make recovering from the damage the Glazers are doing and will continue to do that much harder in the long term.

You’ve articulated your point much better in that last paragraph

Your first attempt made you come across like a prrroper bellend. I mean, a proper fucking knobhead. No offence.

“You have moved beyond appreciating success to being addicted to it, and, as addicts, you would sell yourselves, your club, its history, and everything for which it stands for just one more league title, one more triumph in Europe. Take a good look in the mirror, and you will see that you have become that which you once professed to hate: a glory hunter.”

Because what you’ve wrongly concluded there is that those who want Mourinho as boss (a proven winner and the most successful manager of a generation, might I add) are glory hunters, which is of course absolute unfounded bollocks.

So yeah, that aside, who do you want in charge if not the Portugese cunt?

RobDiablo - November 2, 2010 Reply

sidney said:
So yeah, that aside, who do you want in charge if not the Portugese cunt? If you say Martin O’Neil I’m gonna come ’round there and headbutt your kids.

No, not O’Neil. I understand that Mancini will be available in the near future. Just kidding. I don’t honestly have a candidate in mind, I just think the financial impact of bringing in Mourinho ought to rule him out at this time. If United were a debt free club and capable of competing for the signature of any player, I would almost welcome Jose providing that his United played like his Real Madrid.

Alfonso Bedoya - November 2, 2010 Reply

RobDiablo said:
To those of you who clammer for the arrival of Jose Mourinho as Sir Alex’s replacement despite the fact that he is the antithesis of everything that is United, and would excuse it by claiming that it is the way of the modern world, I say shame on you. You have moved beyond appreciating success to being addicted to it, and, as addicts, you would sell yourselves, your club, its history, and everything for which it stands for just one more league title, one more triumph in Europe. Take a good look in the mirror, and you will see that you have become that which you once professed to hate: a glory hunter.

EDIT: you’re new mantra should be: Form is paramount, class is expendable.

100%, absolute truth, that.

But it misses a crucial aspect… that’s how the “world” has changed, not just football.

There is no honour, respect for tradition, fairness of competition, consideration for the consumer(fans)… what do you expect?

You can’t have it both ways anymore… sad, but true.

sidney - November 3, 2010 Reply

RobDiablo said:
No, not O’Neil. I understand that Mancini will be available in the near future. Just kidding. I don’t honestly have a candidate in mind, I just think the financial impact of bringing in Mourinho ought to rule him out at this time. If United were a debt free club and capable of competing for the signature of any player, I would almost welcome Jose providing that his United played like his Real Madrid.

Fair enough. Gobbing off when you don’t provide an alternative is a bit daft, mind.

But I kind of agree. Mourinho may flop unless he gets serious financial backing. He will want to build his squad and that will include a lot of changes. He won’t rate a lot of the shite currently on our books. But remember, the cunt might not take over for another couple of years at least, and in that time we may have a stronger midfield and a stronger 11 for him to work with (if Fergie gets his finger out)

sheesh - November 3, 2010 Reply

I’ve said this before but Mourinho won’t come unless we can show that we have money for him to spend…but he is without doubt the best candidate out there.

He turned an unfashionable Inter side into European champions and all these arguments about boring football are complete guff. Anyone who believes otherwise would do well to watch the way Inter tore Barcelona apart at home last season.

RobDiablo - November 3, 2010 Reply

Alfonso Bedoya said:
100%, absolute truth, that.

But it misses a crucial aspect… that’s how the “world” has changed, not just football.

There is no honour, respect for tradition, fairness of competition, consideration for the consumer(fans)… what do you expect?

You can’t have it both ways anymore… sad, but true.

I am not asking to have it both ways, but you are essentially correct: the tide is turning, and I can either stand at the shore and rail at it like that Danish King whose name escapes me, or I can get the f*ck out of the water.

sidney said:
Fair enough. Gobbing off when you don’t provide an alternative is a bit daft, mind.

You are forgetting one thing: there is no actual need to replace Sir Alex at the moment, so it is perfectly reasonable to object to the possibility of Mourinho arriving to manage United at some yet-to-be-determined date without offering an alternative.

RobDiablo - November 3, 2010 Reply

RobDiablo said:
You are forgetting one thing: there is no actual need to replace Sir Alex at the moment, so it is perfectly reasonable to object to the possibility of Mourinho arriving to manage United at some yet-to-be-determined date without offering an alternative.

Until I see what the Glazers are going to do with regard to the money sitting in the bank, etc., it won’t be possible to assess the possibilities where the appointment of another manager is concerned. Under the circumstances, the Glazers ought to continue to disregard what the supporters want, hike up ticket prices, and use all the money they can get their hands on to pay down the PIK. That is what would be best for the club in the long run. Obviously, if they do this, the appointment of Mourinho is out of the question. If they cave, it would still be next to impossible to guess who will be available without knowing the date of Sir Alex’s farewell, but the caving would send a strong signal that they intend to go for Mourinho.

Spike - November 3, 2010 Reply

I bet its already a done deal or has been for some time that Maureen will take over one day.

herbie simms - November 3, 2010 Reply

Mourinho said himself that when SAF does retire, there will be so many managers interested in the job, so there will be competition. You will see a lot of big names from Europe showing interest in the job.

shadrack mclovin - November 3, 2010 Reply

Very true, I’d like to Guus Hiddink in the frame, though my only reservation being apart from a few months at the rent boys he hasn’t managed at club level since 2006

herbie simms - November 3, 2010 Reply

Then theres Marcello Lippi, so many capable choices other than Mourinho but Mourinho is more in the limelight than the others.

shadrack mclovin - November 3, 2010 Reply

Lippi though again not managed a club team since 2006, but then again won the world cup! Having said that fat Phil Scolari won the world cup as a manager. Whoever eventually takes charge for me ideally needs to have premiership experience of some sort

herbie simms - November 3, 2010 Reply

One thing, SAF keeps in good health. I can’t recall him ever been out sick, but I do feel after he hits 70 years old, he would want to relax, so you are looking at 2012.
Much to early to be talking about replacements, unless he can win the Premier league this season, then he will retire 2011. Would have broken the tie with Liverpool for most wins.

uncleknobheadforfucksake - November 3, 2010 Reply

ff shadrack and herbie are clearly the same person

I might as well have a second account as zackdingle_burgerkingrapin if herbie can

I’m much better at stuff than him

herbie simms - November 3, 2010 Reply

I don’t know Shadrack but I respect eveyones opinions and make comment. And if Mourinho replaces Fergie, Iam not going to have a problem with that unless Mourinho becomes a problem while he is there. And that would be the same for any manager.

Ted - November 3, 2010 Reply

Unregistered User said:
Wouldnt it be great if Solkjaer or Giggs would coach?

No. It would be fucking disastrous. Legends they are, but you can bet your fat arse that the tried and tested “ex player” curse would strike with devastating effect. Every club thats fell into that trap has fell flat on its face. They rarely make good managers, and never make great managers. Its nice to dream i know buts its best for all concerned to stay well away.

sheesh - November 3, 2010 Reply

shadrack mclovin said:
Lippi though again not managed a club team since 2006, but then again won the world cup! Having said that fat Phil Scolari won the world cup as a manager. Whoever eventually takes charge for me ideally needs to have premiership experience of some sort

I hear Bill Shankly might still be interested in the United job.

FFS.

Alfonso Bedoya - November 4, 2010 Reply

Hiddink would be a decent shout, but only if he was looking to put down Roots.

Lippi is daft… he’s nearly as old as Fergie and doesn’t speak English.

Scolari is just a self important cunt… not as good as he thinks he is.

Ole and Giggs… no, no, no… coaches yes… great idea, but not the Boss… not ready… not even close.

shadrack mclovin - November 5, 2010 Reply

fuck me alf why dont you just become manager bitch *hissy fit*

and i do not know herbie though i kinda like him

captainhormone - November 5, 2010 Reply

tbf, i think he’s a cunt.

Spike - November 6, 2010 Reply

You see cunts everywhere.

Yes, I opened myself for a legendary Cap come back.

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