Sympathy for the randy Red Devil



Who would you say out the following three men is the kind of role model a society should look up to? First up is a man who has had two mistresses, chain smokes and drinks between eight to 10 Martinis a day.  Second is a man who doesn’t get out of bed each morning before 11am, used opium at college and drinks champagne, brandy, and whiskey to excess every day.  Last up is a decorated war hero and vegetarian who doesn’t smoke or drink, and has never had any extramarital affairs.

Should be straight forward really, shouldn’t it? After all, if we want our kids to look up to and have their actions influenced by someone other than us then it is better that it be someone of a clean living lifestyle, right? Not too long ago a certain Welshman in his late 30s easily sat within this mould, a dedicated professional considered by many as a throwback to a bygone era.

In this modern football world of spit roasting and egocentric badge kissing mercenaries, the previously wholesome Ryan Giggs with his longevity at the top-level of the English game – spanning from boyhood to the verge of middle age – coupled with a lack of ‘show me the money’ style contract negotiation with his one and only club seemed almost like a modern-day Stanley Matthews. But in the last fortnight that image of Giggs now seems like another lifetime ago.

Let me put my cards on the table here, I have no real love for Giggs as such – healthy respect for someone who is English football’s most decorated player, spending two decades at the very summit of arguably the hardest league in World football, sure – but unlike Victoria Beckham there has never been a poster of Giggs hanging on my bedroom door.  Rarely is that goal in 1999 replayed without my foot being put through the screen, also seeing his name emblazoned across the backs of shirts worn by young kids indoctrinated by their armchair dwelling parents, down here 200 miles away from Old Trafford in a city that has 13 league clubs of its own really gets my blood boiling.

However, if Giggsy ever wanted to raise his own army to take up arms against the nation’s media in mental fight I’d happily get myself down to the recruitment office to conscript and swear allegiance to Private Ryan (or should that be no longer private Ryan?) in his holy ideological war against Britain’s Fourth Estate.

Bill Shankly once commented that football isn’t a matter of life and death, but much more important than that and although Shanks seemed like a decent guy, I really do hope he meant that in a tongue in cheek manner.  Don’t get me wrong, I tick most boxes of what a ‘proper’ fan should be – I prefer to watch my football in the stadium itself, I’ve supported the same side for 27 of my 32 years on this  earth – a side who come from the same city as I do.  However, I’m under no illusion that the social importance attached to football in the 21st century has lost any semblance of sanity. Football is not more important than life and death but ultimately a way we amuse ourselves in our leisure time and nothing more.

It’s worth remembering that the day after England won the World Cup in 1966 it didn’t even make the front pages of the press.  However, last year England’s failure to make it past the last 16 at the World Cup dominated the front pages for nearly a week after, along with people randomly sending me texts and e-mails about how these eleven men shamed England compared with ‘young men dying in Afghanistan’.  I mean, sorry have I missed something? Have Rooney, Terry et al been funding the Taliban? Where’s the relevance of Afghanistan to World Cup failure? If you want to blame someone for these kids coming back from Afghanistan in boxes, with limbs missing or unable to function back on Civvie street through PTSD, then why don’t you try looking further up in the social pecking order?

In contrast, what wasn’t dominating the front pages and hence public discourse in the week that followed England’s demise was the effects of George Osborne’s emergency budget the previous week, such as this forecast of another 1.3 million job losses in the economy as a whole directly resulting from the Con-Dem’s austerity measures and arguably a policy of that many today claim to be causing stagnation in the wider UK economy.

As a former Labour spin doctor once pointed out just after 9/11, some days and weeks are a very good time for ‘burying’ bad news and the hoo-ha caused by decadent and materialistic footballers, their on-field antics and the way they conduct themselves off the pitch is giving ample opportunity for bad-news burying in what really isn’t a quiet era for serious world events.  In fact, one suspects that if the PFA ever wanted to clean up the tarnished public image of its members it could order a 12 month sex-strike by all professional footballers.  By the end of which time a large chunk of the nation’s problems may well have been solved because their presence was not relegated to the lower echelons of newsworthiness by sex scandals involving Premier League footballers.

Now you can argue that these publications are merely responding to public demand, however the duty to uphold an informed public opinion that isn’t drowned out in celebrity trivialities should override mere market forces in the interests of democracy.  After all, if it is true to say that people are what they eat, in the same way they also think what they read – their consumption of the media greatly influences how they vote. Such coverage or lack of bears greatly on us all as a direct result.

Even though it may be a valid question to ask whether it is right that a rich footballer can gag the freedom of the press to hide who he really is, especially after he has made millions out of his wholesome image, broadcasting to the world what Giggs has been doing in his private life is hardly Wikileaks is it? Julian Assange had made the world privy to information involving certain aspects of decision-making on Iraq, the Middle East and other issues where lives, security and public finances were/still are at threat. Information that it is genuinely in the public’s interest to know about.

The Giggs saga in contrast is merely title-tattle to satisfy the base mentality of certain sections of the public.  Arguments put forward by the press of their concern for Giggs as a role model to our nation’s young are also disingenuous. After all, if they were that concerned about the moral fabric of the nation then surely they would keep us in blissful ignorance and not voyeuristically expose it to sell millions of newspapers, would they not?

I also don’t think it’s fair to say that Giggs has made his millions from shining his halo either; his fortune was made from either playing football or advertising deals made on the back of his footballing ability.  I may be wrong, but I don’t ever recall him selling his family image through the pages of Hello or OK magazine like the Beckhams or the Rooneys habitually do. After all, did anyone actually know the first name of Ryan’s wife before this whole saga blew up?

But for a brief period in the early to mid-1990s when Giggs dated Dani Behr and Davina Taylor from Hollyoaks the press have largely been disinterested in Giggs’ private life, especially in comparison to the private life of his former colleague David Beckham.

Unlike some sort of ‘Back to Basics’ style Tory MP, I also don’t recall Giggs ever being particularly sanctimonious with regard to ‘family values’ either. Is any hypocrisy on Giggs’ part really being exposed by this sort of coverage?  At the end of the day, the matter of Giggs’ extra-marital affairs is a private one for his family and the argument that we as members of the public have a right or substantial interest to know about his misdemeanours is a very weak one at best.

In the aftermath of the Giggs saga one Twitter user stated that footballers should seek retribution by utilising their wealth through the vanity press to publish stories about the private lives of newspaper journalists and proprietors.  My article for the Online Gooner in the wake of the exposure of Arsène Wenger’s alleged affair back in November shows there would be plenty of juicy titbits should they ever wish to do so, particularly with some of the infidelities – alleged or otherwise – involving Mr and Mrs Rupert Murdoch.

It’s also odd what the Murdoch press wants us to revere and who it wants us to ostracise – a footballer who is unfaithful to his wife is to be utterly condemned and something the world at large needs to know about in full detail.  However, in contrast it has no qualms whatsoever in urging the general populace to vote for former Bullingdon Club member David Cameron – presenting him as ‘our only hope’.

For those of you who are unaware of the antics of the Bullingdon Boys – this socially exclusive dining club for the privileged of Oxford University where £3,000 alone is required for the purchase of its uniform – then let me enlighten you.  Andrew Grimson, the biographer of his Oxford contemporary and fellow Bullingdon member Boris Johnson, stated that “I don’t think an evening would have ended without a restaurant being trashed and being paid for in full, very often in cash….A night in the cells would be regarded as being par for a Buller man and so would debagging (removing one’s trousers with force) of anyone who really attracted the irritation of the Buller men.”

The last noted incident involving this obnoxious group was as recent as last year and involved the drunken vandalism of the National Trust maintained Hartwell House in Buckinghamshire.   It’s nice to know that such over-privileged Oxbridge chaps can indulge in an orgies of drunken destruction and still rise up to a position of authority overseeing economic reforms that overwhelmingly hurt the working classes of the UK, without facing anything near the scrutiny and condemnation from the popular press that a footballer who indulges in consensual extra-marital sexual shenanigans can expect.

Another intriguing aspect of the Giggs saga is the lengths that the press went to in order to expose it, which sharply contrasts with Cameron’s Bullingdon past.  The inquisitiveness of Britain’s popular press is well noted, however coverage of Cameron’s Bullingdon antics have remained largely obscured and glossed over. Cameron’s only statement in mitigation is that: “I did things when I was young that  I should not have done and I regret.”

It’s also notable how, unlike Giggs, no-one seems to be Twittering details of Cameron’s Bullingdon misdemeanours over the web and if they did the popular press certainly wouldn’t be pointing us in their direction.  In the case of Murdoch the reason is self-explanatory: Murdoch gives his full backing to Cameron, Cameron in turn waves through his 100 per cent acquisition of BSkyB and doesn’t ask much in the way of paying much, if anything, in the way of corporation tax. Neither is going to go out of their way to step on the other’s toes.

The use of the internet to subvert legal rulings and privacy laws to the benefit of the Murdoch press is also quite an irony.  Back in December last year I chatted to a journalist from the Murdoch-owned Times at the Arsenal Supporters Trust Christmas party, during which he expressed his dislike of the how the internet is giving away the fruit of his profession’s labour free of charge.  So fearful of the internet’s potential effect on the industry of the print media was the aforementioned journalist, that when I had played devil’s advocate and suggested a few positives to this scenario he gave me a look of disapproval that most right thinking people would usually reserve for sex offenders.

His employer Murdoch also expressed such concerns in 2009 by accusing sites like Google, who would argue that they are merely directing internet traffic in Murdoch’s direction, of stealing content from the titles among his News Corporation global conglomerate.  Murdoch asked: “what’s the point of having someone come occasionally who likes a headline they see in Google? We’d rather have fewer coming and paying.”

Hence the decision behind the introduction of pay-walls to many of the Murdoch publications.

However, with the Giggs saga Murdoch is greatly in debt to an anonymous and benevolent Twitterer in cyberspace exposing much of the detail to reduce Giggs’ super-injunction to a legal impracticality.  This is ultimately good news for Murdoch because voyeuristic sensationalism and gossip is largely how the print media has remained relevant despite for many years being the slowest form of media since the introduction of the Radio, TV, Teletext, the internet, broadband and now the iPad.

, while Giggs believed he had bought secrecy with his super-injunction, its ultimate defeat means that the print media has bought its survival for next few years at least, with more voyeuristic coverage involving the private lives of celebrities.

So in his battle to keep his extra-marital affairs secret Giggs was ultimately the loser. However what of his legacy in the long-term? Adultery never did the legacy or careers of John F Kennedy, Bill Clinton, John Lennon, Bob Marley, Martin Luther King, Syd James, Amanda Holden and Beckham any real and lasting damage. It is probably safe to say that barring an Iranian style era of ultra-moral conservatism it’s highly unlikely to do Giggs any real and lasting damage either.

And returning to the question I had posed at the start – had you chose the third example as society’s ideal role model you would have chosen Adolf Hitler over Franklin D Roosevelt and Winston Churchill.  Therefore, if there is any moral to this tale it’s probably that you really should resist the temptation to judge others before seeing the fuller picture first.

Arsenal fan Robert Exley is a regular contributor to Gooner fanzine.

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  • you only came to see utd

    LAy off GOD he did fuck all wrong

    • http://www.unitedrant.co.uk/forum/profile/admin Ed

      You didn’t read the piece, did you?

  • eddieTheRed

    Well said; every word of it!

    The ruling elite have always relied on the habit of the common man who thinks: “Sure I’m only one man what can I do?”

    The answer of course is “everything”. They live in fear of the day we all come to realise it!

  • Spudiator

    I must admit, I am getting pretty sick of hearing self-righteous arseholes harp on about Giggs’ infidelity like he’s the first public figure to ever be guilty of such an act, and it’s a very good point you made about the supposed damage to his clean public image which he’s never pursued himself anyway. In terms of his football career, he’s still the consummate professional every bit as much as Paul Scholes was, he never allowed any aspect of his personal life to distract him from his professional career, never went looking for the limelight the way David Beckham did, and still dedicated himself to his career all throughout it.

    No doubt Cal will be on here any minute chatting shite about how Giggs’ has gone down in his estimation because he’s not as morally perfect as we all thought, but in terms of his United career, it counts for fuck all, especially since Cal’s evidently had a bit of a vendetta against both Giggs and Scholes for years now to the point of blinkerdly refusing to acknowledge when either one of them even played well. As far as I’m concerned (and as far as any rational, level-headed football fan should be concerned), unless it’s had an abject effect on either him or any of his teammates at United, which it hasn’t, then what he’s done and with who, is completely irrelevant.

  • GazNo77

    Great piece. As a Welsh United fan, he’s got more than enough in the bank for me to forgive and forget, even though he’s been a total knob. And the saving grace is that Murdoch’s disciples will soon move onto their next target – hopefully before next season starts

  • shauno

    Quality article! Not that I needed convincing that David Cameron was a self serving cunt of the worst type. The only thing you can be sure of is that during the reporting of this Giggs affair is that the press have lied. The second important thing as expressed by this article is that context is everything. Man doesn’t get on with his wife gets horny dicks around – not news. Multi-millionaire man with no understanding of the working class no majority mandate to rule, raised on wealth and arrogance, forcing unwanted austerity measures on the country and attacking the unions and political freedom is hailed by the press as a suitable leader! Thats news! Leave footballers alone tackle the real cunts!

    PS Currently on a come down from a heavy stag do…feeling a tad angry and weird.

  • reddread

    Cameron? Cunt, obviously, and I while I appreciate the writer’s support for Giggs (who it has transpired is a also bit of a cunt, by the way, albeit not in the ‘destroying the working classes’ kind of a way. Maybe with a lower case c, rather than Cameron’s capital one. In bold.), bringing up Hitler in an internet discussion immediately invokes Godwin’s law and thus renders the point-maker, if not a buffoon, then at the very least misguided. Let’s be honest, we fucking battered England’s Brave John Terry for his infidelities, yet some are sticking up for Giggs’s because he’s one of our own. Double standards, and all that…

    • Robert Exley

      Godwin’s Law? Well I have no knowledge of what that is in essence, however the Hitler/Churchill/Roosevelt analogy is more the folly in obsessing about what people are up to in their private lives – after all though Hitler was a genocidal nutcase in his day job, drinking and adultery wasn’t among his faults – though they were for Churchill and Roosevelt.

      As for double standards – well no, from my Wenger article I’m clearly backing Wenger against the Murdoch empire, I did so with Andy Gray http://www.onlinegooner.com/article.php?section=exclusive&id=2054 to not do so with Ryan Giggs – which would be easy because he plays for one of my side’s biggest rivals – would be double standards.

      His infidelities have been dominating the front pages for the past two weeks – the most important news story in the UK of the last two weeks? I rather doubt it.

  • sidney

    Cba reading all of that

    I assume it mentions Tory’s at some point, so I’ll add that Cameron is an Etonian Bullingdon vermin cunt

    Nothing an IRA-style doorstep execution won’t solve though

  • Spudiator

    To be fair, it wasn’t John Terry’s infidelities that he got so slated for, it was the fact he was doing it with the then-girlfriend of a teammate. With that in mind, Giggs is technically the bigger cunt in the real world for what he did not just to his missus, but his own brother too, but in football terms Terry is the bigger cunt for putting Wayne Bridge into an impossible situation where he had to be the one to step aside from the England team, because Terry was never going to. Clearly Giggs isn’t the exemplary human being we all thought he was, but that should take nothing from the contribution he’s made to the cause as a United player, surely that should be the only thing we judge him on.

  • captainhormone

    if you had a life saving operation from a doctor that had 3 slags on the go behind his wifes back…….would you be bothered about his private life if he saved your life?

    point is, its giggs and his families issues, and as long as he continues to deliver on the pitch then lets keep our fucking noses out…judge him for what he does on the pitch, and if as a result of his shenanigans he goes shite, then thanks for the memories and adios sir ryan…as for his contribution to football, he deserves knighting

    • Robert Exley

      His achievements deserve respect, but knighthoods? Again it’s the elevation of Footballers to a position far in excess of their social relevance – although not just something restricted to footballers, after all this week we’ve knighted Bruce Forsyth – giving him the same level of accolade as Tim Berners Lee, the man who invented the world wide web!

  • Alfonso Bedoya

    I do love the way some United fans get all righteous when it comes to the misbehaviour of rival club players… but very forgiving and defensive when it’s a United player.

    Giggs will be one of my favourite players of all time whatever he does… but the fact is, I had an opinion of him as a top bloke, not just a top player… top blokes don’t carry on with their brothers wives over an 8 year period.

    I suppose the question is… should I care that Giggs has turned out to be a cunt?

  • sheesh

    I consider that footballers nowadays are considered as mere financial commodities (as opposed to actual personalities that hark back to a bygone era) so, in theory, it should be relatively easy to disassociate what they do on the pitch from what they do off it, especially when you factor in things like the money they earn and their average shelf life at a club.
    The days of ‘hero worship’ where you expect a player to spend his entire career at a club – and the expectation that they will do the right thing by the club by behaving themselves off it are long gone…at least in my eyes, anyway.
    In an age of 24/7 media and culture of celebrity, I’d probably almost expect to read or hear about footballers misbehaving.
    You can moan about politicians wrecking the economy, but that sort of story doesn’t sell papers. If economic matters grabbed headlines, perhaps the media could have prodded the last Government into taking steps to manage the credit bubble that got us into this mess in the first place? I love how virtually everyone has ignored that, at the last election, all the main political parties set out proposals to deal with the national deficit. Anyway, I digress…
    Giggs never propagated this image as a wholesome family man himself (more the media did) but, I don’t know, I had this expectation that he carried on with his life off the field with as minimal fuss as he did in maintaining such a lengthy and distinguished career.
    Unfortunately, when making an overall summation of giggs, people will conflate his private life with his career – not that this is fair or anything…

  • reddread

    Agreed, Alf. A cunt is a cunt, no matter who he plays for. I think we all reserve the right to be disappointed with Giggs, because he has done his best to portray himself as a nice bloke when he clearly isn’t, especially considering he has spent years slagging his dad off for being a less than suitable role model.

  • reddread

    As an addendum, I think if Giggs was in his 20s, we may be more forgiving, but he’s my age, ffs. Either accept you want to be single and do the decent thing and leave, or stay committed to your wife and kids. Plenty of people in ‘normal’ familial situations find out you can’t have your cake and eat it. No reason it should be different for anyone else.

  • Spike

    What does Brian Of N. think of this mess?
    I’m gutted about it all.

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    I always backed jt, if he hadn’t taken one for the team bridge would still be an england, if rio was a proper england captain hed have got rid of glen johnson in a similar fashion

  • herbie simms

    WORLD MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP BOXING

    RYAN GIGGS vs TIGER WOODS

    FOR THE UNDISPUTED LOVER OF THE DECADE TITLE BELT.

  • kramer

    i’ve already got that all sewn up

  • brianofnazareth

    Blog Commenter said:
    Great piece. As a Welsh United fan, he’s got more than enough in the bank for me to forgive and forget, even though he’s been a total knob. And the saving grace is that Murdoch’s disciples will soon move onto their next target – hopefully before next season starts

    You’ll always be SECOND to me….I’m Brian…An I am WELSH.

  • brianofnazareth

    Spike said:
    What does Brian Of N. think of this mess?
    I’m gutted about it all.

    I pretty much agree with Alf in what he says.Giggs is an amazing player but has acted like a right low life twat! as a player he will always be my number 2 ( Eric) will always be number 1

    Do I really give a fuck what he gets up to off the field? NO… because I have my own life to lead and I’d rather stick to watching FOOTBALL.

  • Spike

    Blog Commenter said:
    WORLD MIDDLEWEIGHT CHAMPIONSHIP BOXING

    RYAN GIGGS vs TIGER WOODS

    FOR THE UNDISPUTED LOVER OF THE DECADE TITLE BELT.

    ffs Dickhead. piss off

  • captainhormone

    ffs, we all know blokes who shag around, and yes its shite, but that doesnt make them 100% cunt does it?

    A little perspective please

  • captainhormone

    and herbie, at this rate Giggs, John Terry, Thrush, Crabs and Tiger Woods will be battling off with you for annoying and irritating cunt of the year award

  • http://www.sourceofgravity.com Bill

    Giggs behaviour highlights everything that is wrong with footballers today. Just because you are good at kicking a white ball around doesn’t mean you can sleep with your brothers wife.

    Put yourself in Giggs kids, wife and brothers’ shoes.

    KNOB!

    • Robert Exley

      Yes you could put yourself in the position of Giggs’s wife, kids and brother and consider that not only are you in a difficult position but your private lives are plastered all over the media for a good few weeks.

      I kind of think that is why Giggs was granted a super-injunction, rather than on the basis of Ryan’s hurt feelings.

  • captainhormone

    Bill said:
    Giggs behaviour highlights everything that is wrong with footballers today. Just because you are good at kicking a white ball around doesn’t mean you can sleep with your brothers wife.

    Put yourself in Giggs kids, wife and brothers’ shoes.

    KNOB!

    i doubt they’d fit me, im a size 10 tbf

  • captainhormone

    Blog Commenter said:
    His achievements deserve respect, but knighthoods? Again it’s the elevation of Footballers to a position far in excess of their social relevance – although not just something restricted to footballers, after all this week we’ve knighted Bruce Forsyth – giving him the same level of accolade as Tim Berners Lee, the man who invented the world wide web!

    Knighthoods should be given out to individuals who leave a long lasting and positive legacy within their respective fields…..I can see no player more worthy of a knighthood for his contribution to the game than Ryan Giggs.

    If Bruce Forsyth can get one for 70 odd years of annoying bollocks, Giggs can get one for being the most highly decorated “British ” footballer of all time. I doubt his record will ever be broken….well not in my lifetime anyway.

    I agree with the sentiment of footballer elevation etc, but Giggs is unique, and his contribution the game will far outshine his infidelities, Ala Lennon, Luther King et al.

  • Spike

    *doffs hat and bows to common sense*

  • http://www.newhallmedialtd.com Calvino

    Spudiator said:
    No doubt Cal will be on here any minute chatting shite about how Giggs’ has gone down in his estimation because he’s not as morally perfect as we all thought, but in terms of his United career, it counts for fuck all, especially since Cal’s evidently had a bit of a vendetta against both Giggs and Scholes for years now to the point of blinkerdly refusing to acknowledge when either one of them even played well. As far as I’m concerned (and as far as any rational, level-headed football fan should be concerned), unless it’s had an abject effect on either him or any of his teammates at United, which it hasn’t, then what he’s done and with who, is completely irrelevant.

    Spud,
    I can’t believe you found it somehow to include me in this mindless tirade. Why on earth will I “have it in for Giggs and Scholes”?? Some of you really need to get out more or have a clearer view of life. Fantastic servants of the club have these two players been. However, as far as am concerned Scholes became a liability after the ’07 season! He was well past it. Giggs because he had some pace left and could re-invent himself has JUST managed to keep playing. However even he is totally useless wide left now because he can not outrun any proper PL full back. FACTS. How is that “having it in” for them? Goodness me.

    On his affairs. Well if you think it is ok for him to have carried on with his sis-in-law that is your choice. I think that was despicable. The very low of human behaviour. You do not think so? You are also entitled to that view. Really some of you need to stop these rubbish that goes on here of never been ready to put YOUR own views across without calling someone else’s view to question. An internet forum is for people to come air their views I believe.

    I am actually very sad about this on football front because for some reason I really believed he was being groomed to manage us after Sir Alex – don’t know why I had that feeling but I had it. Now with these stories that will never happen.

  • shauno

    Christ we don’t even know if any of what the red tops are saying is even true. For example according to the woman involved in the JT affair it did not happen. Have a read of this and stop buying shite news papers.

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/media/2010/aug/22/john-terry-vanessa-perroncel-sex-scandal

    It’s trash and at best half truths. Saying things such as “this is whats wrong with modern footballers” etc. It’s people not footballers that have affairs male and female. People have been having affairs since they started pumping each other in a formal relationship.

    Until I’m party to the truth I can’t go around calling someone a cunt. I wouldn’t do myself the diservice of using shit newspapers as my source of evidence. As for being Knighted who gives a fuck about the realm! I’d only entertain being knighted if it would get me close enough to the queen to land one on the parasitic cunt rag. As for Forsthy I’m sure he has done his fair share of shagging behind his Mrs back. Infact he has admitted to it in the past regarding one of the Miss Worlds. Anyhow the articles main points are spot on. I fuckin hate the media in this country.

  • sidney

    captainhormone said:
    Knighthoods should be given out to individuals who leave a long lasting and positive legacy within their respective fields…..I can see no player more worthy of a knighthood for his contribution to the game than Ryan Giggs.
    If Bruce Forsyth can get one for 70 odd years of annoying bollocks, Giggs can get one for being the most highly decorated “British ” footballer of all time. I doubt his record will ever be broken….well not in my lifetime anyway.
    I agree with the sentiment of footballer elevation etc, but Giggs is unique, and his contribution the game will far outshine his infidelities, Ala Lennon, Luther King et al.

    To be fair I don’t know why some United fans get on one about Giggs and a knighthood. He will get one eventually.
    But the Royal cunts won’t give him one for a while now because it will make them look out of touch (and the only reason celebrities and footballers get them is so the palace looks current and not old and out of touch and racist etc.)
    Once this latest scandal has blown over, it will happen. Might not be ’til after he retires now though

  • brianofnazareth

    captainhormone said:

    I agree with the sentiment of footballer elevation etc, but Giggs is unique, and his contribution the game will far outshine his infidelities, Ala Lennon, Luther King et al.

    Bri likes this!

  • http://none ian

    I go along with Cal here. Glad that we all agree that the Red Tops, & not just the Red Tops, are despicable & preach morality & shame simply as an excuse to tittilate & sell more copy. But this is a very different matter than to ask the question “Has Ryan gone too far?” Yep I agree his performances for United have not been affected & he has not tried to build an image as the dedicated family man & role model etc. It is a pity that Ryan, in the past, disparaged his own dad as being too much of a Jack the Lad. Yep he has done nothing illegal, but there …are …. limits. I couldn’t care a toss about how many girls he has slept with & have no interest in finding out but I do think that sleeping with his brother’s sister, for many years, is -as Cal puts it- despicable. There is also the thorny questions of sponsorship & “image” & association. There are no such things as free dinners & Ryan has shot himself in the foot. We are all of us ‘selling’ our club to all who will listen & those that won’t. Perhaps calling Ryan a great player but a despicable human being who we would not want to defend is enough. Perhaps now is the time -for many reasons- to hope that Ryan thinks that he has had enough.

  • SKW

    Quality article?

    While I fully support its point, it was a poorly edited, rambling and esoteric rant. Not to mention its laced with dodgy political ideas and opinions stated as facts that hardly lives up to what we usually read here.

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    giggs is part black isn’t he?….

  • captainhormone

    he is black

  • Spike

    pitch black

  • vlad

    Giggs prolly does not care about knighthoods, no more than Zidane did for the World Cup in 2006.

    Sometimes you look back at your career, at all these public vultures and wonder whether it all really matters.

    Did he really had this affair for 8 years and they found it out just now?

  • http://none ian

    I’m a keen Rugby League fan. A friend of mine saw a lot of Ryan’s dad & says he was a very talented player, a stand off, very good kicker & great runner,in a half-decent Swinton side but, unlike Ryan he completely lacked discipline, courage & application & was flash. The classic tale is of him starting a rumpus, which resulted in all twenty five players being involved in a punch up, while Danny sat on the ball amused by the goings on. He had a reputation of , lets say, not being very reliable. One of the funny things Danny is obviously black -mother from Wales, dad from Sierra Leone- but no one would guess from Ryan. Apparently Ryan had a hard time at school since his dad was black.

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    danny wilson?

  • ltel

    danny wallace

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    giggsys dad is danny wallace?

    fuck me

  • captainhormone

    ffs….danny glover

    he has a lethal weapon too…..how apt

  • brianofnazareth

    Apt indeed.

  • reddread

    You don’t know what apt means, do you Bri?

  • brianofnazareth

    reddread said:
    You don’t know what apt means, do you Bri?

    Fuck off you, you’re a disgrace to dreadlocks everywhere!

  • captainhormone

    lol

  • reddread

    brianofnazareth said:
    Fuck off you, you’re a disgrace to dreadlocks everywhere!

    Rather a disgrace to dreadlocks than a disgrace to the Welsh…

  • brianofnazareth

    reddread said:
    Rather a disgrace to dreadlocks than a disgrace to the Welsh…

    Wow a whole day to come up with that! Better warn Louis CK he has a rival!

  • reddread

    Ha! Didn’t even realise you’d replied until today as I’d forgotten which thread I’d made fun of you in, so no, about 5 seconds. Anyone could have done it, tbf. It’s the natural response to a Welsh person

  • uncleknobheadforfucksake

    you don’t hear the word randy much anymore except when macho man died

  • brianofnazareth

    reddread said:
    Ha! Didn’t even realise you’d replied until today as I’d forgotten which thread I’d made fun of you in, so no, about 5 seconds. Anyone could have done it, tbf. It’s the natural response to a Welsh person

    ** Holds arms out **
    Now now…come here… xx

    The difference between stupidity and genius is that genius has its limits…..

  • reddread

    I’m not a sheep, begone with you!