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marlon
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They think they'll lose that vote though, at which point they'd call for a referendum.
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All this Brexit and Trump fuckery puts paid to the idea that there's some all seeing, all powerful cabal that controls the planet. At best there's a bunch of greedy rich bastards that try every trick in the book to protect their money.
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Well, the current state of play is that the government is facing a contempt motion for failing to disclose to Parliament all the legal advice it has been given on the draft withdrawal agreement. As you're all aware, MPs are due to vote on this on the 11th.

Also, the advocate general of the EU court of justice has issued a legal opinion stating that the UK can unilaterally rescind its Article 50 notification without needing the say-so of the other member states. This follows a case that was referred to the ECJ very recently. The UK government tried to stop this case from going all the way to the ECJ, but failed.

I think the full court judgment comes out after the Parliament vote.
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Lazarus wrote:
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All this Brexit and Trump fuckery puts paid to the idea that there's some all seeing, all powerful cabal that controls the planet. At best there's a bunch of greedy rich bastards that try every trick in the book to protect their money.
Yep. It's capitalism, not conspiracy.
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May has lost all 3 votes by the looks of it
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She is the Moyes of British politics. Everything she touches turns to shit.
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EUs failed neoliberal policies have caused hardship, Labour leader tells European socialists https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... _to_Tumblr

I agree agree with him. The EU is no different to the tories; both insist on fucking the poor, driving down wages & living conditions, and attacking minorities. For all of Leaves' documented racism, remember it was the EU that is allowing the genocide in the mediterranean of people fleeing Syria.

The EU int a solution.
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A few thoughts. If the following is a little all over the place, it's because I'm hungover.

The EU doesn't place restrictions on how much national governments can or can't spend domestically. That is down to national governments themselves. Brexit voters in poorer areas were rightly fucked off with austerity (and it helped the Leave campaign that David Cameron was the face of the remain campaign). In better-off parts of the country, much of it was driven by bigoted little Englanders.

What a lot of people don't realise is our economy will be smaller as a result of Brexit, and the government will make even more drastic choices (than it already has) about how taxpayer money will be spent. If we end up in a no deal situation, it will make austerity worse, not end it. Our public services will be even more under-resourced.

Brexit will leave our country isolated and poorer, as we will no longer be part of a larger political and economic trading bloc, where we have a say in the rules that are made. EU citizens are net contributors to our economy (contrary to the myth that they're sponging on benefits). We will suffer from them leaving. There's are lot of bollocks out there about us not being able to control immigration because we're members of the EU. We can; EU member states to repatriate EU nationals after three months if they have not found a job or do not have the means to support themselves.

As we don't want to abide by four freedoms, and are leaving the single market, we will lose the benefits that being a member entails. People don't realise these things. The ability to live and work across borders is something that creates individual opportunities, and fosters cooperation between countries. Robbo on here is a direct beneficiary of us being part of the single market. He lives and works in Germany.

It is thanks to us being members of the EU that there are certain minimum rights on things like health and safety, protection from discrimination, working hours (the working time directive) etc. Tell me which UK government will ever look after workers' rights the way the EU does?

Nothing is better than being a member of the EU. Nothing. We will now be poorer and isolated, more insular, with fewer life and career opportunities. Even if you believe in the 'idea' of Brexit, how do you make it work without making us poorer? What is the one form of leaving that is workable? Even the Brexiters can't agree among themselves.

What are Corbyn's proposals on the Irish border? What solution does he have to people losing their jobs as companies shift their bases to the EU and/or cut investments into the UK? Overseas investment into the UK is a good thing. It creates jobs. Otherwise where else will the investment come from? What would those workers at Nissan in Sunderland do if they weren't employed by Nissan? Many of these places are communities that were fucked over by the Tories.

How will leaving the EU make our society a more tolerant one? I'd love to know that. As far as I'm concerned, Brexit and Lexit are two ends of the same stick. Both shit.
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Double post
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Right, no more essays!
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