Sid wrote: ↑6 months agoSpot on. The tories will happily create the conditions to bring violence back to NI, just like they're bringing toxic nationalism and fascism back. They've learned nothing from the past - even when you've got the likes of Harry Brown saying we're going down the same road. It's never them that suffer though, is it? Maybe if Thatcher hadn't have gone for a piss in the hotel in brighton they'd have learned their lesson. But instead it's just working class people that die.Lazarus wrote: ↑6 months agoIt's that old, old argument..... Just because we're tramping on your human rights, controlling your life, keeping you poor, killing you, there's no excuse for violence!!! We're the government our violence is justified.Sid wrote: ↑6 months agoJust wanted to pick up on this - I've seen Mogg asked a few times about how a hard border might bring about a return of the conflict in NI - and the cunt is completely unmoved. The far right wingers like him Boris Johnson don't give a fuck. Beneath the "eccentric" toff veneer is a viciousness, but also a fucking brutal coldheartedness. They just don't care. For them NI would represent a rebellious colony that needs taming. And they'd love to send the troops back in to carry on Thatcher's work who by this point they've deified. They'll look at those photos of troops in peoples gardens and see nothing but patriotism, power, control.
Don't get me wrong, i'm in no way supporting any violence, been there got the T-shirt. I'm pointing out the hypocrisy before there is any violence. Marches and protests are not violence even when there is stone throwing and car burning. It's civil unrest no excuse for shooting people.
"If learn anything from history it's we learn nothing from history."
no no no!
They've learnt EVERYTHING from the past, mate.
They've learnt that you can hoodwink the public into hating on each other without even hardly taking a breath. They've learnt that stoking anger between communities is the best way to stop them thinking about anything further than their own noses. They've learnt that the poorer you make the people you want to manipulate, the easier it is to use their desperation to guide them down paths you want them to go down. They've learnt that, as long as you keep your wars and land grabs far enough away from your doorstep, you can get away with it. They've learnt the right sort of levels for the give with one hand and take away with the other game that the majority of people don't spot it so easily.
This is a revision of the past, not an accidental repeat.