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Lukaku is better than Morata ffs. Or at least he has been better so far. Morata is doing okay, but Lukaku is doing much better.
I didn't think Lukaku would be a good signing for us, but he's doing really well. He scored against Real too, so he is scoring against everyone we've played against. Obviously it's harder to score against the stronger teams but he scored in that one big game we had.
Lukaka needs to improve but he's just 24. People forget that. And he's been improving over the years.

Morata is just not a top top player. He'll do well, but he'll never be the key man for Chelsea.
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People are being too harsh on some of our players. Lukaku has 5 goals and an assist in 5 games, Mickey has five assists and one goal in the same. Stats can be deceptive, but they're obviously doing well so far. Rashford is only 19 and seems to have established himself as a starter for United and England, on most days he helps win games.

Our attack in general still lacks something. We're battering teams into submission, pummelling them when they're knackered in the final ten minutes, but we're not opening them up with scintillating play as much as I think we'd all like. Maybe these players aren't as good as we'd like, but I think if we had a better option on the right that complemented the others, they'd all look better. I mean, it ain't bad for Mickey to have five assists when he usually only has two options to pass to - Lukaku or whichever of Rashford/Martial is on the pitch. It also obviously doesn't help when Fellaini has replaced Pogba as your playmaker...
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bman2 wrote:People are being too harsh on some of our players. Lukaku has 5 goals and an assist in 5 games, Mickey has five assists and one goal in the same. Stats can be deceptive, but they're obviously doing well so far. Rashford is only 19 and seems to have established himself as a starter for United and England, on most days he helps win games.

Our attack in general still lacks something. We're battering teams into submission, pummelling them when they're knackered in the final ten minutes, but we're not opening them up with scintillating play as much as I think we'd all like. Maybe these players aren't as good as we'd like, but I think if we had a better option on the right that complemented the others, they'd all look better. I mean, it ain't bad for Mickey to have five assists when he usually only has two options to pass to - Lukaku or whichever of Rashford/Martial is on the pitch. It also obviously doesn't help when Fellaini has replaced Pogba as your playmaker...
Kinda agree with you....

The reason I maybe gona bit overboard in defending us is because some of the criticism on here of Jose , our team, Jose's players is totally rediculous!

Like those saying Lukaku was/is shite....and is only scoring coz the opposition are shit..
Like those saying Pogba is shit etc...

Our team individually isn't as good as City's or Reals etc but Jose has us playing very well. He is turning us into a proper Jose team ...and there's a reason we score so many late on- Chelsea under him done that too...
Most teams we have played so far have played with like a 541 etc everyone behind the ball for the most part...under LVG or Moyes we would be drawing those games at best 0-0 etc

There's more to come from us, and as he adds a top player here and there ,like a Griezeman ,we will start to compete with the Reals etc

We can always play better- of course we can, we will evolve over the season but I really don't get the constant criticism and like Sid bumming on about how we are playing the dross....
well the dross Everton drew with city at the Emptyhad and any other season we would be struggling ....
Fuck we have nearly scored as many goals already as we did in LVGs full season

Can we not just be a little more fuckjng positive
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is lukaka shite ?

1 of the worst finshers ive ever seen at OT was andy cole
he was also 1 of the top scorers

this leads me to beleive theres 2 types of striker

the clinical (ruud)
the percentage (cole and luka)
both of these need maybe 3 or 4 chances to finally net.
thing is ruud probally would have not got into the same amount of goal scoring positions.
if he scores over 20 in the prem this season,he aint shite (just a percentage striker).
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Davel wrote:is lukaka shite ?

1 of the worst finshers ive ever seen at OT was andy cole
he was also 1 of the top scorers

this leads me to beleive theres 2 types of striker

the clinical (ruud)
the percentage (cole and luka)
both of these need maybe 3 or 4 chances to finally net.
thing is ruud probally would have not got into the same amount of goal scoring positions.
if he scores over 20 in the prem this season,he aint shite (just a percentage striker).
Well, I've got my opinion on Lukaku, but those who really know his game, say he's absolutely clinical... and the stats support that... his scoring percentages are as good as any, and he's played largely in ordinary sides... in a top side, that will give him consistently more, and better quality service, he should score plenty... and I think he will...

He looks like the type who won't get injured much either... I can see him putting up outstanding numbers for United...
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Aye he should be banging them in against shite teams domestically, it's bread and butter. The big question is how he performs at the highest level in europe. That's what Carrick, Nev and I think Giggs questioned in summer. We just don't know til he comes up against em. Jose's approach will change against top clubs as well, he'll go defensive, so Rom will only get one or two chances. If he finishes then you can say yeah he's a clinical cunt, and a top striker. But for now you just can't say that, all you can say is he's a quality domestic striker.

How Zlatan fits into that is another matter n all. Can you play both of em. We might have to because I don't think he'll be content to sit on the bench while Rom plays in the CL.
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If you give Lakaku chances in the box he'll take them, all I was saying was he was poor against Everton in that one game in my opinion.

And that for the money with the agents fees, throwing in Rooney, paying Roonrys wages etc etc, part of me would have loved to have thrown another £50 mill at it and try and get a Neymar for example so we are entertaining as fuck.

I still think we have an amazing chance of beating City to the league title but if you were a neutral and you got asked, who'd you rather go and watch, for entertainment, City or United, Id be sceptical if anyone said United.

Which is necessary after the post Fergie fuck ups but unthinkable 10 years ago that City would be better to watch.

Lakaku is a proven Prem striker so I'm not saying it was a bad buy, I just don't enjoy watching him play, even though he will make a massive difference and turn lots of last seasons draws into wins.

And look at ADM, so a Neymar crazy money purchase might have been a risk, but I'd love some x factory shit spearheading the attack the odd time just, that's it.

I'd start Martial at 9 tomorrow and just tell him to go and enjoy himself.
Well I suppose that's the knighthood fucked.
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Sid wrote:Aye he should be banging them in against shite teams domestically, it's bread and butter. The big question is how he performs at the highest level in europe. That's what Carrick, Nev and I think Giggs questioned in summer. We just don't know til he comes up against em. Jose's approach will change against top clubs as well, he'll go defensive, so Rom will only get one or two chances. If he finishes then you can say yeah he's a clinical cunt, and a top striker. But for now you just can't say that, all you can say is he's a quality domestic striker.

How Zlatan fits into that is another matter n all. Can you play both of em. We might have to because I don't think he'll be content to sit on the bench while Rom plays in the CL.
Lol, hahahahahahaha good th Sid ....

So in your expert theory Cantona was just a Shit domestic decent striker !!!
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redzebs wrote:If you give Lakaku chances in the box he'll take them, all I was saying was he was poor against Everton in that one game in my opinion.

And that for the money with the agents fees, throwing in Rooney, paying Roonrys wages etc etc, part of me would have loved to have thrown another £50 mill at it and try and get a Neymar for example so we are entertaining as fuck.

I still think we have an amazing chance of beating City to the league title but if you were a neutral and you got asked, who'd you rather go and watch, for entertainment, City or United, Id be sceptical if anyone said United.

Which is necessary after the post Fergie fuck ups but unthinkable 10 years ago that City would be better to watch.

Lakaku is a proven Prem striker so I'm not saying it was a bad buy, I just don't enjoy watching him play, even though he will make a massive difference and turn lots of last seasons draws into wins.

And look at ADM, so a Neymar crazy money purchase might have been a risk, but I'd love some x factory shit spearheading the attack the odd time just, that's it.

I'd start Martial at 9 tomorrow and just tell him to go and enjoy himself.
Ooooh come on!!!
So we are finally competing for trophies and doing what we need to do in the league scoring plenty of goals equal with Cuty ...but now we need to criticise us by saying we arnt as good to watch!!
There's no end to it is there ...
Lukaku is scoring for fun, has twice the scoring per shots ratio of Zlatan but yet it's his bread n butter and he's just a domestic striker ..blah blah blah

And people wknder why I go over the top in trying to defend us....it's coz There's so much crap posted
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Snoopcousins wrote:
Sid wrote:Aye he should be banging them in against shite teams domestically, it's bread and butter. The big question is how he performs at the highest level in europe. That's what Carrick, Nev and I think Giggs questioned in summer. We just don't know til he comes up against em. Jose's approach will change against top clubs as well, he'll go defensive, so Rom will only get one or two chances. If he finishes then you can say yeah he's a clinical cunt, and a top striker. But for now you just can't say that, all you can say is he's a quality domestic striker.

How Zlatan fits into that is another matter n all. Can you play both of em. We might have to because I don't think he'll be content to sit on the bench while Rom plays in the CL.
Lol, hahahahahahaha good th Sid ....

So in your expert theory Cantona was just a Shit domestic decent striker !!!
You think Lukaku compares to Cantona?

If you think I'm on the wind up or anti United then so must Giggs, Nev and Carrick because they said the same thing

This is tiring, Snool
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