Kick it Out say Lukaku chant is racist

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http://www.bbc.com/sport/football/41317495

dear oh dear... what will the forum racists have to say about this - after all it's just a joke, isn't it?
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Ffs, apart from the complaint about using swear words when there are kids at the game, it's getting fucking ridiculous, I guarantee you it was virtually a load of hand wringing professionally offended white cunts that decided this was racist.

I was listening to Jim Whites show in the background and he was slagging the fuck out of everyone and anyone who said it wasn't that bad and kept drawing attention back to the grief he was getting for standing up against this.

A black United fan rang in and said he'd heard all this racist song stuff and he looked it up online and made the mistake of saying it was inappropriate but he "chuckled" when he saw it as he was expecting something far worse and he said it wasn't racist and compared to the amount of songs at other grounds..... then he got shouted down and got asked repeatedly why he thought it was so funny and he said look I said I chuckled when I saw it, it's inappropriate but it's not racist and it's actually taking the piss out of a racist stereotype but the white presenters were having none of it.

The referees a wanker is sung every other game by every other team and the wanker wanker wanker chant happens all the time.

I'd rather my child didn't hear that shouted with vitriol than hear the word penis sung in a funny way.

And I'd hazard a guess that there is a rumour he's well endowed and that's where it's come from.

We sang he comes from Serbia, he'll fuckin murder you about a player that was from a recently war torn country but we didn't mean Vidic was going to go homicide balkans style on players ffs.
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so are you suggesting that the Kick it Out campaign are "a load of hand wringing professionally offended white cunts"?

I remember when many people here regularly used to use the same racially stereotyped "joke" with Calvino and, whilst laughing it off, he every single time pointed out it was racist.

There's no dispute from anyone (if you actually read the article, Zebs) that it's not meant as a joke but the ultimate point is that it's not just a joke. bringing other tenuous examples into the mix doesn't make it ok.
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I don't need to read that article, I've read about 6 from different media outlets and listened to a phone in on it.

The fact that it's surpassed coverage wise Chelsea's new chant for Morata and how he hates the yids might be because we are a bigger club but tbf I'm sure of course there are racist United fans but if someone was racist or started a racist chant at a game, they'd get pulled up by other United fans and rightly so, look at the racism that constantly dogs some London clubs, how's pushing a black man back out of a train, singing openly racist songs e.g. were racist and we like it, making gas chamber tisssssssssss's at Spurs fans fuckin tenuous?

They are fucking scandalous, this is a dopey chant made up taking the piss out of a common stereotype, it's not racist. I wonder if Lakaku is offended or if he's laughing his supposedly massive balls off and feeling like a king? Which do you reckon?

And I'm still yet to hear one black caller or serious poster claim they are offended.

I heard a white person say this was "a dark day for football"

I shit you not. I don't even think he saw the fuckin irony in a) being a bandwagon jumping I'm going to get offended on behalf of people who couldn't give a fuck and b) calling it a dark day when referring to a stupid chant about a black player that shouldn't be sung because children shouldn't hear the word penis at a game.

Is it still ok to sing sign on and joke that people in Liverpool are tramps who don't work and to call them dippers or should we have a singing section where everyone can have a non racist rightfully proud best set of supporters in the country at coming up with new songs every week belting their hearts out,

two middle stands with speakers playing come on you reds to block the singing section and then the opposite stand we can rename the safe space stand and have aromatherapy seats releasing wafts of Lavender and Chamomile with headphones to drown out any singing and any nasty boos or cheers with Morgan Freemans dulcet tones commentating on the game in case people want to close their eyes in case someone goes in for a 50/50 ball :-

"And now, lovely boy Anders gently passes the ball to our fuzzy haired bfg friend, who softly controls the ball with his pillow like chest and with a big smile passes it to his friend from the same country, where chocolate comes from children, and look, normally preportined uncle Lukky shakes the goalkeepers hand and says sorry before stroking the ball over the white line on the green green grass, that's what cows eat. Join me for the second half after a short break, for the next 15 minutes please enjoy the greatest hits of the lighthouse family. I'm Morgan Freeman."


Give me a fuckin break.
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FuB wrote:so are you suggesting that the Kick it Out campaign are "a load of hand wringing professionally offended white cunts"?

I remember when many people here regularly used to use the same racially stereotyped "joke" with Calvino and, whilst laughing it off, he every single time pointed out it was racist.

There's no dispute from anyone (if you actually read the article, Zebs) that it's not meant as a joke but the ultimate point is that it's not just a joke. bringing other tenuous examples into the mix doesn't make it ok.
I don't know the song, so won't comment on this, specifically... but when my black mates tell me that my banter with them crosses a line, I listen... but we've been taking the piss out of each other with this kind of stereotypical fuckin about for years, and not given it any thought... apparently, I've got way too much rhythm for a white man... can't dance worth a fuck, mind... and one of my black mates has a cock the size of a walnut, and you should see the grief he gets about that, from everyone... it's a crime against black nature, so they say...

Look... it's one thing to target derogatory names and stereotypes that denigrate a race... and it's important that we listen to what different cultures consider offensive whether we think it is or not... but when political correctness starts telling me and my mates how we should relate to each other, they've gone way too far... my mates can tell me when to fuck off, if I've offended them, and I'll listen to that, no problem at all... anyone else can mind their own fuckin business...,
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Check the title of the thread again, Zebs. I'm specifically talking about Kick It Out's statement via the BBC website.

Disproportionate reporting by the media on a United-related story is nothing new and I agree it's not helpful, fair or to be appreciated.

Not really sure how you can say that "taking the piss out of a common stereotype" is "not racist" when the point is that it's a racial stereotype and, therefore, is essentially the text book definition of racism. There isn't room for deciding that there's such a thing as good, well-meaning racism and that those other fans' chants are somehow worse. There has to be a consistent line whether or not it seems puritan and over the top or not.

Kick It Out are an independent body and they're showing consistency... their statement on the Chelsea chant is here: http://www.kickitout.org/news/kick-it-o ... cFDPWZPqmQ

Romelu Lukaku is a "Next 20" ambassador for Kick it Out
Romelu Lukaku wrote: “It is important for me in my role as a Kick It Out ‘Next 20’ ambassador to teach young people how to handle discrimination and treat people with respect.”
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Alfonso Bedoya wrote:
FuB wrote:so are you suggesting that the Kick it Out campaign are "a load of hand wringing professionally offended white cunts"?

I remember when many people here regularly used to use the same racially stereotyped "joke" with Calvino and, whilst laughing it off, he every single time pointed out it was racist.

There's no dispute from anyone (if you actually read the article, Zebs) that it's not meant as a joke but the ultimate point is that it's not just a joke. bringing other tenuous examples into the mix doesn't make it ok.
I don't know the song, so won't comment on this, specifically... but when my black mates tell me that my banter with them crosses a line, I listen... but we've been taking the piss out of each other with this kind of stereotypical fuckin about for years, and not given it any thought... apparently, I've got way too much rhythm for a white man... can't dance worth a fuck, mind... and one of my black mates has a cock the size of a walnut, and you should see the grief he gets about that, from everyone... it's a crime against black nature, so they say...

Look... it's one thing to target derogatory names and stereotypes that denigrate a race... and it's important that we listen to what different cultures consider offensive whether we think it is or not... but when political correctness starts telling me and my mates how we should relate to each other, they've gone way too far... my mates can tell me when to fuck off, if I've offended them, and I'll listen to that, no problem at all... anyone else can mind their own fuckin business...,

I can't argue with anything you say there. When you know people personally, know their limits, know they respect you and know, in turn, that they know you respect them the "rules" becomes ones that are defined within that sphere. I have plenty of similar banter between myself and Italian friends but, again, this is within a clear framework of mutual respect and knowledge that we're being ironic. There's a pretty big difference when we're talking about thousands of people singing at a match that's being broadcast around the world.

I also don't really understand why there needs to be someone offended or to register offence publicly before things are not ok. Sure... maybe singing that Lukaku has a big cock, with the fairly obvious insinuation that it's because he's a black man, is just a bit of a laugh and it's not hurting anyone but aren't we then getting into the realms of Pint's "no one died" defence? If we decide that well-meaning racism is ok, how can we start combatting the truly odious side?
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Since he's one of our own players, surely it's best to err on the side of caution and avoid signing songs that might offend him.
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The best man at my wedding and his ex bird had a mate who shagged Ferdinand back pre United and said he was hung like a horse.

Bet Rio was gutted when she was astounded by the size of his appendage......not. Well not the way she gushed and banged on about it, neither pun intended.

If Lakaku doesn't want fans singing it he should be respected but he seemed to be fucking loving it at the weekend and was basking in the United adulation and gave Everton some stick back.

It's a load of fuckin shite, the songs not even remotely bad bar the fact that kids go to games now apparently when they didn't 20 years ago, oh no wait that's right I had season tickets from junior to senior for 8 years and heard stuff that would probably cause half of the professionally offended brigade to suffer cardiac arrests, and there were no black or ethnic minorities in the fuckin league! If you were ginger or tall or short or stocky or skinny or bald or basically weren't in the team you supported, they were getting dogs abuse.

As Alf says, if it's offensive to people by way of commenting on a group of people who share the same race, sex, whatever, or to the person it's about, it should stop,

it's when it's being pedantic and deciding what's offensive on other people's behalf and dictating their opinion on it to everyone else that people look at all the genuine shit going on and real racism, again, I say look at some fans of the London clubs and look how proud our fans are at being better than that shit.

When I say it's taking the piss out of a stereotype, I mean it's a group of majority white fans singing a song about their new cult hero and how he has a massive schlong, flipping the begrudging urban myth that white men aren't as well endowed and celebrating it about their new striker.

Is the film white men cant jump racist?

If they made a sequel with the same cast called black men cant swim would that be racist?

It's this bollocks that only white peoole are racist and any comments no matter the context criticising or even now fucking jokingly praising a person of any other ethnicity is racist.

There's enough genuine racism to be tackled in the world without this new millennial culture of looking for reasons to get offended.

And anyway, my black mate I used to work with told us all at work that it's because black men are showers and a lot of other ethnic groups are growers so don't worry about it. You are a thoughtful conscientious poster FuB so I'm sure if your love making reflects that then Miss or Mrs FuB is well satisfied.

I'll even make up a song for you if you want.

But kick it out need to kick this out because it's a load of wank.
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bman2 wrote:Since he's one of our own players, surely it's best to err on the side of caution and avoid signing songs that might offend him.
That's the happiest I've seen him looking on Sunday tbf. I reckon he scored on and off the pitch after that goal tbf, some bird was walking like John Wayne yesterday imho.
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