United set to create DoF role

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dozer wrote:
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swampash wrote:
2 months ago
Get Roy Keene on the line…sort that woodworm cunt out…
Yeah, a manager can't be a hard cunt, so we need someone else who's not involved everyday with the players to be one.
Keane's flawed because he can't see any reason why a club is shit other than players making individual errors. He rarely blames a manager for shite decisions or a ceo for not landing players. It's all the players fault for not marking properly etc. He's forever berating shit players for being shit, without asking who wanted the shit players and who signed them. That's why he was a shit manager and has had to go into coaching. He's still the lieutenant on the pitch, making sure everybody's carrying out the managers orders, and if they don't he nails em. He's a gobshite that kowtows to the higher authority tbf, like Mourinho.
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fat maradona wrote:
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Short of giving up on supporting the team, what practically can the fans do to bring about the changes needed?
Fuck. All.

The Glazers have seen out the 'Green and Gold uprising', where fans threatened to boycott games etc. This current phase is nothing to them. The cash keeps rolling in, for now, and they'll continue to make commercial decisions over footballing ones. But it's only a matter of time before the likes of Kohler (£20m per season) and Adidas (£75m per season) call a meeting with Woodward and explain that they no longer want to associated. And then the Glazers will leverage more debt onto the club, maybe even sell the car park for affordable housing, who knows. Just look what they did to Tampa Bay Buccaneers.
Fans could actually boycott games and sponsors but clearly United fans aren't all that organised or motivated. There are plenty who'd be happy to see us sold to that saudi prince
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2 months ago

Well, trying to be positive, the good news is that the club and Woodward do at least acknowledge now that the football actually matters and that it’s in a dire state that’s not going to be fixed by landing this or that big name player. Whether or not they figure things out first time round — and they won’t — at least they recognise that they need to actively create a stable structure for success. Shit like this should be taken for granted at a club like United, but at least the noises coming out of the club aren’t “on pitch results don’t affect commercial income”. it’s not a lot to celebrate, but it’s something.
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There is a correlation between performance on the pitch and the worth of the club on the NYSE. The stock price rose all through August 2018 and reach a 12-month high ($27.70) on 8/31/2018, giving the club a value of ~$4.5 B. As the season progressed the stock price dropped to a low of $16.91 of 12/10/18 making the valuation ~$2.8B. Part of that decline was the NYSE overall taking a hit, but it was also when the club was performing like shit and Mourinho was fired and Ole brought in. The stock price climbed to a high of $21.21 on 2/4/2019 when we still had hopes of being in the Champions League next season. Since then the stock price has dropped again following the performance on the pitch. Today (5/15/19) the price is sitting at ~$18.59 or ~$3.05 B.

I have to assume that someone in the bowels of the Glazers organization know exactly what a loss in the pitch cost them in the stock market and in longer term sales.
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1 month ago

There's a really interesting interview with van gaal up on the Guardian. Describes a lot of what's wrong with the club and has some interesting tactical observations too.
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1 month ago

Confirms everything we thought about Woodward being in charge of transfers, too much of an emphasis on the commercial side, and the lack of DoF to build a strategy and identity

It's mad how Woodward didn't even ask Gaal about philosophy & playing style before he hired him. Gaal says he was surprised too as it's the done thing. Ed did the same with Jose, just signed a big name who'd things in the distant past and thought it would work - then came the horrendous bus parking 0-0s at home against relegation teams.

It's the details that make the difference when you're up against state backed clubs that have elite infrastructure and personel in charge. Pep has about 26 people working behind him, all the best in the game. We have a manager, a ceo prick and his mate.
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1 month ago

The rot set in well before Ferguson retired. After Carrick in 2005 or 2006, we've only really made one excellent signing — De Gea — in the sense of a quality player who is a regular starter and cornerstone of the team. There were a few others who were ok, had their moments, or were short term signings, like van Persie (short term great signing), and then the likes of Nani, Berba, etc. who all had their seasons and moments in the sun and are never going to be considered legends. Not that de Gea is necessarily a legend, but you know what I mean, probably.

Realistically, most signings aren't going to turn out to great signings that are irreplaceable starters for years. But with the money and resources we have, and the amount of players we've been signing, we ought to have a least one such player each summer. A few recent-ish signings might still pan out, of course, which would improve the picture.

Some clubs seem to have impressively high success rates -- City, Liverpool, and Juve in recent seasons, and clubs like Atletico, Borussia Dortmund etc. Chelsea were also very good at it for a while. I think the key is having some professionals running transfers -- DoFs or whatever you want to call them. The evidence is that's the only consistent way. Especially these days. The cost of players is too high, the business is too big, there are no random undiscovered gems out there anymore.
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1 month ago

The failure to hire a DoF is particularly annoying because it's the one area where we could count on being attractive to some of the best in the world. I'm sure there's a lot of experienced DoFs out there that would fancy the opportunity to rebuild such a wealthy and popular club. The same way City attracted some of the best to essentially build that club from scratch. We're probably scaring off the best players and managers, but there's no reason we shouldn't be hiring the best elsewhere in the club.
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I just don’t see anyone of worth wanting the DoF job while Woodward is controlling the purse strings. When Ed’s first question about any recommendations is “so what’s the sell on potential” why would you want to work there. City wanted to build a great football team, Ed’s main concern is to maximize shareholder profit.
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RedDevilinAZ wrote:
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I just don’t see anyone of worth wanting the DoF job while Woodward is controlling the purse strings. When Ed’s first question about any recommendations is “so what’s the sell on potential” why would you want to work there. City wanted to build a great football team, Ed’s main concern is to maximize shareholder profit.
This. And Ed's not really taking a backseat, it's clear. Phelan or Fletcher is just a smokescreen, Woodward will still be pulling the strings. If he was serious about giving up control he'd hire an experienced DoF and not interfere.
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