How could "Negroni" be offensive when the name is derived from an Italian surname which still exists? I suppose you could use the word in an offensive way if that intention is understood by the subject you're aiming it at but it would be a huge misrepresentation of the word's origins and, moving forwards, make it pretty awkward for the many people who still have that surname.fat maradona wrote: ↑2 months agoSeriously? Words are just words, it's the intent that counts. What, am I supposed to be careful how I say Negroni next time I order my favourite drink? I could say the word in a malicious snide manner, fully intending to be a racist cunt but it's actually not an offensive word.
My parents, and three generations before them, are East African Indians. They use words and phrases which make me cringe but they aren't racist. But those things are unique to that part of the world, those generations that lived there. You can't expect the whole world to confirm just because #blm.
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Ok, so maybe my use of negroni wasn't the best example but my point was we have lots of words and phrases in our vocabulary, all unique to culture/where we live.FuB wrote: ↑2 months agoHow could "Negroni" be offensive when the name is derived from an Italian surname which still exists? I suppose you could use the word in an offensive way if that intention is understood by the subject you're aiming it at but it would be a huge misrepresentation of the word's origins and, moving forwards, make it pretty awkward for the many people who still have that surname.
I'm not condoning what he said but there seems to be an overreaction to it imo. It's not like the Suarez incident which was intentionally spiteful.
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Cavani's intent definitely seems friendly, not offensive. He said it publicly on social media, thanking a supportive fan. So not at all like Suarez in terms of context or intent. From what I understand, Suarez also said "negro" instead of "negrito", and I could imagine that there's a difference in tone between the two. But I'm not at all knowledgeable enough about it to judge the different cultural and linguistic context.fat maradona wrote: ↑2 months agoOk, so maybe my use of negroni wasn't the best example but my point was we have lots of words and phrases in our vocabulary, all unique to culture/where we live.FuB wrote: ↑2 months agoHow could "Negroni" be offensive when the name is derived from an Italian surname which still exists? I suppose you could use the word in an offensive way if that intention is understood by the subject you're aiming it at but it would be a huge misrepresentation of the word's origins and, moving forwards, make it pretty awkward for the many people who still have that surname.
I'm not condoning what he said but there seems to be an overreaction to it imo. It's not like the Suarez incident which was intentionally spiteful.
A suspension is appropriate. The FA needs to have a firm an unambiguous stance on these issues. But I hope the suspension is proportionate to the circumstances. It really doesn't look like Cavani intended an offence, he's quickly apologized, and it looks like he's been educated by the experience.
It's interesting to see the different takes on this, depending on cultural background. I stand corrected and more informed than I would have been if I didn't hang out here.
Meanwhile, here in Germany it's still common to hear certain words used with impunity, which would make you cringe if you heard the English equivalents used in the UK.
Meanwhile, here in Germany it's still common to hear certain words used with impunity, which would make you cringe if you heard the English equivalents used in the UK.
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