My point is this, right... you say you don't care what the football is like so long as we win. But that's not true. You do care about the football, you want performances. In Fergie's last few seasons we got the results but not the performances. The football was dire, and you weren't happy with it - none of us were. We couldn't dominate the riff raff like Cambridge last night, and we were all up in arms about it. So don't lie to yourself, you and everybody else care about performances.Alfonso Bedoya wrote:I don't understand your position Sid... some, but not all are complaining about the system/philosophy... 3 at the back, 4, I don't really five a fuck as long as we're getting the best out of what we've got... we're not... you seem to be getting all defensive on Van Gaals behalf, simply because he's not English, and therefore deserves more respect... you were fit for murder in your criticism of Mopes... whose football was no worse... I honestly don't care about how Van Gaal sets us out to play, as long as it works... and, by the way, I haven't baled on him yet either... but when he starts claiming the odds were against United, playing Cambridge fuckin United, then he's got no excuses for being compared to Mopes... because that's just as stupid a thing as Mopes would have said...Sid wrote:The fans thought we were right to revert back to 442 and the diamond because it apparently allowed us to score 2 goals against QPR after a dire first half
So we go 442 against a team 75 places below us, and for the first 45 minutes we can't even dominate midfield let alone attack their goal, and at times we were overrun
Second half saw Cambridge stop competing for the centre circle, so we were given control of the game and thus lots of possession (given being the important word because we didn't take it from them). We saw more slow passing, but in 442, so nobody blamed the system like they did against QPR, instead they blame Van Gaal because they wrongly think this is how he likes to play football
He's going to have to keep proving that his philosophy is a good thing, and he probably never will because the culture against it is too strong
So at worst you're looking at an England scenario were English people are the reason why the football is dogshit
Another reason why you care about how we play is that you and other fans wouldn't tolerate tika taka or maybe even possession based football at United. The signs have been there already. I can't be arsed with tika taka at United and I'm the least unBritish cunt here, who actually values possession when it doesn't result in a goal. And I'm not about the start romanticizing Guardiola's football like is happening in the other thread, because I can admit the truth that at times it's not just fucking boring, it's painful. Whereas you and Sheesh seem to aving it now, from nowhere.
Anyway, the point: can he pull it off or not. I still think he can, just about, but it's a much bigger and more expensive job then originally thought. He will be backed financially because of the Adidas deal and because of his previous success. This also earns him more time than Moyes too, because he's won more than him, and he has a clear plan which has worked everywhere else. Whereas with Moyes, we know now via the players that he had no clear vision, he didn't have a successful approach to football, he wasn't buying to a system or plan, he was making it up as he went along. One week possession, the next week long ball. Bullshit.
Then there's the wider point which I'm more arsed about... if Van Gaal can implement his philosophy, but the Top Reds and others don't like it (like those fans jeering the football we played against Hull), then we're in the England trap of wanting to win, but win in a certain way that suits an outdated romanticized notion of bullshit, which will end up hampering the club and we'll be shit for ages.
This Top Red we're superior, we play the proper way bullshit was the thinking that informed the decision to hire Moyes; a proper British manager, sensible, honest, believes in hard bloody work, tells it how it is - all that bullshit. It's the thinking that made us believe we were too good for Mourinho and his arrogance and his conservative football. These decisions stemming from this bullshit mentality have hampered the club, and it will again if we're not careful