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United might be worse than a lot of clubs, because the culture of maximum commercialisation and showbiz comes from the top. Woodward says openly that results on the pitch don't matter. I think he called the club a "content provider".

Van Gaal and Mourinho might have been bad choices of manager for various reasons. But they've both been around a long time and won a lot, and they've both said, in one way or another, that United isn't really a football club anymore.
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I realise that all top-level footballers do some marketing shite on the side, but do players like Aguero and Salah take it to the nth degree like our lot do?

Our lot seem to think they're so special that they can set up their own brands and make money off it. Do they even make money? It seems to be particularly endemic at United.

Tom Cleverley also had his own brand http://therepublikofmancunia.com/tom-cl ... the-brand/
It's the same shit some of us have been complaining about for years.......

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Thing is, when i talked about Pogba and his ad's and tweets and haircuts and general arsery some Ranters took exception because he was WC and I didn't know what I was talking about and I was anti United and what does his hair matter when the stats say he's the best in Europe.
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What you don't seem to understand is that when a club like United signs a player like Pogba, the branding and self-promotion is part of his job.
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What you don't seem to understand is that when a club like United signs a player like Pogba, the branding and self-promotion is part of his job.
What you don't seem to understand is, THAT"S THE PROBLEM!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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But that's how it's going to be under the Glazers because we're a shithole commercial club. United want high profile players because it boosts the profile of the club. That's why we're still in for Bale, after 4 managers, because commercially it's a great deal. The club benefits from every post he makes on instagram to his 40m followers , every advert etc.

We should just fuck it off and go support our local semi pro team, except mine have just been liquidated tbf because shit capitalist owners aren't exclusive to the Prem
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If Manchester United was solely a business tasked with generating money, we'd be laughing.

Unfortunately, there's this small element which keeps getting in the Glazers/Woodworm's way - it's called "football."
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Footballs clubs making a profit isn’t a bad thing, it sure as hell beats the alternative.

In America; the 2008 sub-prime market crash really hurt the Glazer family real estate holdings, United was literally their only asset that had a positive cash flow. While Sir Alex was dominating premier league and winning titles for fun it was a relatively easy for Woodward to sell the club to sponsors. Money was rolling in and very little was being spent on upgrading the squad, make that next to nothing was being spent. When Sir Alex retired, and Gill quit, Woodward found hisself running a business that he knows nothing about - a Football Club. The rise in television revenues and the international growth in popularity of the premier league allowed Woodward to sell United’s history to sponsors but history will only goes so far. Next came buying the big-name superstars and marketing the living shit outa them, and when their popularity dies down sell them on for a profit, but Woodward is not very good at this. He spends way too much money on some players who are very ordinary, gives massive contract to players who are pasted their sell by date and has no consideration, or understanding, about how the players he purchases will fit into the team.

It is going to take a totally different mindset from the Glazers to turn things around at United, as a United fan probably the best thing that could happen is a massive reduction in the popularity of the premier league. That would reduce the market capitalization of the club on the NYSE and maybe force the Glazers in consider selling the club.
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RedDevilinAZ wrote:
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Footballs clubs making a profit isn’t a bad thing, it sure as hell beats the alternative.

In America; the 2008 sub-prime market crash really hurt the Glazer family real estate holdings, United was literally their only asset that had a positive cash flow. While Sir Alex was dominating premier league and winning titles for fun it was a relatively easy for Woodward to sell the club to sponsors. Money was rolling in and very little was being spent on upgrading the squad, make that next to nothing was being spent. When Sir Alex retired, and Gill quit, Woodward found hisself running a business that he knows nothing about - a Football Club. The rise in television revenues and the international growth in popularity of the premier league allowed Woodward to sell United’s history to sponsors but history will only goes so far. Next came buying the big-name superstars and marketing the living shit outa them, and when their popularity dies down sell them on for a profit, but Woodward is not very good at this. He spends way too much money on some players who are very ordinary, gives massive contract to players who are pasted their sell by date and has no consideration, or understanding, about how the players he purchases will fit into the team.

It is going to take a totally different mindset from the Glazers to turn things around at United, as a United fan probably the best thing that could happen is a massive reduction in the popularity of the premier league. That would reduce the market capitalization of the club on the NYSE and maybe force the Glazers in consider selling the club.
Pretty good analysis tbf. Woodward also gets rinsed by agents, and it's set a precendent that's hard to turn back on. Half of Pogbas 89m fee went to Raiola. It's a joke. Since he's got his teeth into our squad we've got shitter and shitter. Fergie was right to do very little dealings with the cunt.

Also on Woodward, it's not just the players he gets wrong, it's the managers. Moyes was on Fergie. But Gaals possession football was wrong for the club, and Mourinhos long ball dinosaur shit was even worse. It was an appointment based on CV, when lots of people were saying football has changed and he's no longer effective. But then to give the cunt a new contract in his second season is madness. Like Nev said it was probably the worst decision in the history of football. A 20m mistake. But it shows you how close Ed is with the penny pinching Glazers that they haven't sacked him.
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Agreed Sid and it was a very analysis by RedDevilin. I don’t think it will take a global collapse of the popularity of the EPL, just the popularity of United. We are looking at a situation where both City and Liverpool can become more popular, more successful than United. And that will hit profits (plus failure on the pitch). That’s when the Glazers will re-assess. I assume their other business streams have recovered post crash?
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Steggo wrote:
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Agreed Sid and it was a very analysis by RedDevilin. I don’t think it will take a global collapse of the popularity of the EPL, just the popularity of United. We are looking at a situation where both City and Liverpool can become more popular, more successful than United. And that will hit profits (plus failure on the pitch). That’s when the Glazers will re-assess. I assume their other business streams have recovered post crash?
The Glazer’s primary business is real estate and overall that sector has done very since 2008. However; the majority of their properties are (where) shopping mail which are getting a hammering as online sales are taking business away from the brick and mortar store.

The Tampa Bay Bucs are a guaranteed profit every year, not a large profit but very steady.
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