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Mickey love's posting like a teenager whose showing off his music collection, as if we're meant to go "Wow, who are this band The Smiths?" :))
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They did write the same album every year tbf
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Pint, I do appreciate you trying to do me a favour but I'm quite a seasoned collector of vinyl and I know where I might source a copy. the issue is that I would want a decent condition (cover and record) first pressing on the original label. For that, you're looking at towards a ton nowadays (especially if I were to factor in courier costs to here) and i'd expect that to go up now he's left the room.

The link you posted above is probably (likely - but I haven't actually checked) a remaster from digital files and not the master tapes which, to my mind, just negates the potential advantage of having something on vinyl record.

The first album is a landmark in my opinion hence me always keeping an eye out for it but they're not really a big favourite of mine and I'm not really willing to shell out that much. I'd have to vaguely agree with Sid's sentiment in terms of their stuff often being a bit samey from album to album... but actually that's something I'd level at Killing Joke, Sid, especially their first three (which I have) or four. I don't think that's always a bad thing and it's often coupled with a band having a distinct sound of their own... the Smiths is also a case in point there if you ask me.
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Yea tbf I sought of guessed by your question that you maybe a collector ,just trying to help and I understand that a copy you desire will not just appear in HMV .So you don't have to open the link ?

The vast majority of any musicians I would agree sound the same ish ,that even applies to Beethoven and Mozart inc The Smiths , Morrissey knows that but his more recent attempts to be ' different ' were / are for the most shite in my opinion, but each etc.
What you can't underestimate the contribution the lad had to that scene even if it wasn't exactly your choice.

Last night was watching a couple of interviews with him and he morphed from a young Richard Madeley into a double of a stricken Alex Higgins, some interesting views as well, fucking good job he was a bitter don't think he would welcomed on Utd Rant ( like moi)
I will ask Mistress Pint to rummage through the vinyls in the charity shops she can't fucking pass in the hope that some silly old cunt threw away a copy.
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I had no intention for that to come across as being arsey there, pint.... and I opened the link because I did, genuinely, appreciate that you were trying to be nice. however, like any collector of anything, i'm a bit pernickety and pointlessly so. Collecting stuff is clearly a bit of a self-absorbed thing. Don't trouble your wife to go looking. if she did by some amazing miracle find a copy then sell it and have a nice night out at the pub. part of being "a collector" is the finding of things yourself.
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Fair dos I get that, at the risk ...................many years ago the lads at work organised a record club in the days when all the new fangled stereo systems appeared , Pint wanting to be one of the crowd ( your getting it) took in several of our fairly new collection only to be fucked off because they said all Pints records had a roaring fire in the background. I didn't get that until we bought our Bang and Olsen beocentre which we still have .
With that in mind I wouldn't insult you by offering a swop of our ' collection'

Love watching these Mark E Smith like blokes there is a couple ( not talented mind) in everyone of the ever dwindling pubs around the city.
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It doesn't apply to Killing Joke, Fub. They went from post punk in the late 70s (ST) to more synth stuff in the 80s (Night Time) to rock in the 90s (Pandemonium) to metal in the 00s (second self titled etc) - being rough about it like. Lots of genres, lots of styles. Then throw in the Courtald Talks, the dub remixes, Coleman and Dudley Songs from the Victorious City, Coleman's classical work - they're people with many strings to their bow. Not one formula that works.

The Fall had a framework that Mark E Smith violently (ltierally, with the musicians) put on many songs over 20/30 years. And then the musicians, sometimes, were allowed to freestyle within that. But it had to be within it. And it was strict. If you veered off he would batter you, literally, hence the fascist dictator comparisons.

As John Peel said about em "Always different, always the same" or words to that effect

And yeah it int necessarily a bad thing. There's a posh word for it they use in film language, "auteur". It's just for me The Fall's auteur is far too restrictive. I'd have battered the fake socialist cunt as no doubt many of his band mates did or wanted to.
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come on sid, I did qualify that with "especially their first three or four". I like that period of theirs a lot. I don't really care much for where they went afterwards. I know you're big into them so it wasn't meant to press your buttons... I think they had a very specific, distinctive and, well, "samey" sort of sound for those first early 80s albums. It isn't meant as a negative criticism. There also wasn't meant to be any direct comparison to The Fall, more an introduction to the "it's their sound" sort of argument
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