pint vulger wrote:I am beginning to see that 'Sid' is a wind up merchant and no problem with that it keeps the argument going ,thats why I probably started it ,DA etc.
But he dropped in the Hillsboro a couple of times ( to provke i guess) despite the court ruling and the respect for those who campaigned and the absolute sadness I have for the deceased and the families,I lived through the whole thing pre ,then and post ,and attended loads of games at SW,common sense tells you the fault lays directly with fans initially and then the incompetence of the security services to deal with the easily predicted disaster.Lying and changing statements after such a tradegy is terrible ,but so is crushing into a space without consideration for H&S for others,but when your drunk? For me the inquiry did not give justice for those poor people who died and their family it exonerated their fellow supporters and put the total blame on the police,its beensaid a million times.
As for Duggan another criminal who would have been just another statistic only for the riots that followed,almost everyone involved in the country wide riots couldnt give a flying about Duggan it was more complicated other reasons and conspiracy by government to crack down.
Common sense tells me if someone is paid to protect the public and society and they are to arrest a suspect whos allegedly armed ( with history) I want the criminal to be in the mortuary not the policeman.
A simple solution ,dont deal drugs ,dont carry guns ,go to work and earn a living like the 99.9999% of the rest of us and stop ruining the lives of others to sustain your greedy illegal lifestyle.
And to the community parading with crocodile tears,when one of your love ones falls foul of the drug barons who will you be hoping to protect them.
I have plenty of critism fot the police but Come on lets have some Common Sense
I think you struggle to read a sentence and take the correct meaning from it. I think that's why you struggle with the political correctness stuff. Anyway I mentioned Hillsborough because south yorkshire police were involved in one of the biggest cover ups in history. They did a job on the dead, the families and Liverpool - it was huge, systematic, and pretty fucking evil. So I used that as an example not to trust police.
With Duggan, there was no gun. No copper saw a gun in the supposed firefight. Footage that was released to the public showed there was no gun on the grass verge. The camera moves left for a while, goes back right, and all of a sudden there's a gun on the grass. This appeared on an incident site that police admitted they tampered with, like moving the car and breaking the seals on the car which were put on to preserve evidence. The gun was on a grass verge over a wall, and the coroner said there was absolutely no way Duggan could have thrown it that high and far with the injuries he sustained. So what happened was police killed him first then fabricated a crime scene that supports their version of events and ultimately 'justifies' the killing. Like I said, it's the yank style of policing of shoot first then make the evidence fit. It literally goes on every day in america, and like in britain, it's mostly people with darker skin getting killed.
The bold bit... that int the police's main job, friend. I hate to burst your bubble.
Second bold bit... you need to learn why some people turn to crime. I'm not fan of drug dealers. I think they're mini capitalists. I grew up on an estate that was flooded with heroin. We had needles in the garden, in the drains, in the grass when you played football. I follow the Paul Massey line of 'deal smack get a crack' because that stuff destroys communities. But you have to understand these twats are a product of capitalism. You have to earn momney to live, and as a young man if you can earn 500 quid in a day, rather than 40 quid cleaning shitters, then some choose that option. There's also the race element n all because where I live racism is fucking rife.