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Sid wrote:Someone always tries to keep the threads on topic and it never happens. Good as well tbf.

Stegs int coming back to face the facts, Laz. He's cut and run as per. He wants to believe what he wants to believe regardless of facts.
No Sid I've not 'cut and run' but the nature of my work means time in here is limited.

Yes,Rochdale was positive discrimination. The relevant services positively discriminated in favour of a certain part of society. That is a fact. You may not like to call it that, but that is what happened.Fact.

And despite what Laz says,and he has a marvellous way of bending words,he does use insulting names (I refer you to the Carrick thread). Absolutely no need.

And to answer your own comment about me seeing or using history from the 'state' perspective. Nothing can be further from the truth. History is a complicated discipline. Example 'History is written by the victors' is attributed to Churchill but then again it was possibly Nehru who said it first 'History is almost always written by the victors and conquerors and gives their view. Or, at any rate, the victors' version is given prominence and holds the field'.Or it could go back as far as Herodotus.Whichever way, it is,in effect, a lazy truism. Of course the victors always write their account of events. But if you look closely and investigate the losers never actually disappear into history (have a read of the Anglo Saxon Chronicle post Hastings).

Also history is written by both sides of the political spectrum. I was bought up on the writings of E P Thompson,Eric Hobsbawn and Christopher Hill (whose book 'The World Turned Upside Down' is one of my all time favourites).And there of course writers from the right who produce excellent work. Both should challenge your own view of history-it is not a straightforward subject. This article gives a good account of why,maybe, left wing accounts of recent history are flawed. https://www.theguardian.com/books/books ... dhistorian

In the end it is a matter of sifting all the known facts,all the writings and making a constructive guess on what actually happened at any given point in history. After all,when Raleigh was put in the Tower of London he began writing a history of the world but destroyed his writings when an incident happened outside his window and he realised there were at least 5 versions of the 'truth' of that small event!
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"Yes,Rochdale was positive discrimination. The relevant services positively discriminated in favour of a certain part of society. That is a fact. You may not like to call it that, but that is what happened.Fact. "

Any evidence? Facts?

"And despite what Laz says,and he has a marvellous way of bending words,he does use insulting names (I refer you to the Carrick thread). Absolutely no need."

Any chance you could narrow that down a bit? You could copy and paste the specific insulting names....

The rest is just internet copied, pseudo horseshit. I like the tip of a hat to the right wing writers 'excellent' work.

Any sign of those two words together in a sentence yet? Maybe being a professional keeps you too busy to look? Idiot...
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Just to put you right Sid none of the above was 'internet copied,pseudo horseshit'.Why should I need to copy?

Mendacious, obnoxious, blowhard! Copied and pasted.

:-w
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Sid???? :-o

This arguing with snowflake, liberal, lefties is fucking with your rationale Steggo. It's hard to argue a position that's all about telling people how you think it should be and how all this 'positive discrimination' is whiteist (my word). You claimed i wanted white girls to be raped (classy), but i'm not whiteist, i've got white friends.....

"Mendacious, obnoxious, blowhard! Copied and pasted." That's it,,,, that's my big crime and us lefties are soft??? You haven't been insulted with more class in your life! The problem is you've been making these shite claims against me long before i posted that horrendous insult. Come on there has to be more? Maybe it's beyond your 'philosophical perimeters' to find anything....


Your a Right Wing, racist, dumb, fuck who doesn't deserve this amount of attention. You've done nothing but reinforce this image with every additional post you spew. I continue to hope you fuck off....
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Lol Stegs you don't even know who you're arguing with... And you accused me of not knowing before, you daft twat
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Sid wrote:Lol Stegs you don't even know who you're arguing with... And you accused me of not knowing before, you daft twat
As my reply (about history) was originally made to you,and I refuse to communicate with Laz, my comments were directed to you about comments he made.

Daft twat? no need,really.
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Fifteen Tory MPs 'to sign Theresa May no confidence letter'

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/po ... 55451.html

It begins. They're attempting to get rid of her. David Davies is the favourite
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Corbyn vindicated over traingate https://www.thelondoneconomic.com/news/ ... ate/23/08/

Branson lied, tried to smear him

No surprise really considering Corbyn wants to nationalise the railways, it's a direct threat to his wealth
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10 months ago

Speaking of british trains - is this accurate?

If so not only the most expensive but a truly shit service as well - often late, and the average age of the trains is over 20 years, with some as old as 40+

Take em off the cunts
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