No Sid I've not 'cut and run' but the nature of my work means time in here is limited.Sid wrote:Someone always tries to keep the threads on topic and it never happens. Good as well tbf.
Stegs int coming back to face the facts, Laz. He's cut and run as per. He wants to believe what he wants to believe regardless of facts.
Yes,Rochdale was positive discrimination. The relevant services positively discriminated in favour of a certain part of society. That is a fact. You may not like to call it that, but that is what happened.Fact.
And despite what Laz says,and he has a marvellous way of bending words,he does use insulting names (I refer you to the Carrick thread). Absolutely no need.
And to answer your own comment about me seeing or using history from the 'state' perspective. Nothing can be further from the truth. History is a complicated discipline. Example 'History is written by the victors' is attributed to Churchill but then again it was possibly Nehru who said it first 'History is almost always written by the victors and conquerors and gives their view. Or, at any rate, the victors' version is given prominence and holds the field'.Or it could go back as far as Herodotus.Whichever way, it is,in effect, a lazy truism. Of course the victors always write their account of events. But if you look closely and investigate the losers never actually disappear into history (have a read of the Anglo Saxon Chronicle post Hastings).
Also history is written by both sides of the political spectrum. I was bought up on the writings of E P Thompson,Eric Hobsbawn and Christopher Hill (whose book 'The World Turned Upside Down' is one of my all time favourites).And there of course writers from the right who produce excellent work. Both should challenge your own view of history-it is not a straightforward subject. This article gives a good account of why,maybe, left wing accounts of recent history are flawed. https://www.theguardian.com/books/books ... dhistorian
In the end it is a matter of sifting all the known facts,all the writings and making a constructive guess on what actually happened at any given point in history. After all,when Raleigh was put in the Tower of London he began writing a history of the world but destroyed his writings when an incident happened outside his window and he realised there were at least 5 versions of the 'truth' of that small event!