Alfonso Bedoya wrote: Sid wrote:
redzebs wrote:See to be honest, I consider myself a decent music aficionado, love most genres, would know loads of back catalogues but you never see anyone here on what are you listening too going on about the smiths on their way home from work, or some Northern soul track, or Prince, or Bowie or even Jarvis Cocker or pink Floyd or elo or anything after 1995 tbf.
It's always yeah got my speakers up on big als crocodile solo in d minor, yeah listen to that percussion.
I can't stand commercial radio but a bit of yeah heard that new libertines album or the last shadow puppets or Conor oberst or anything that's decent but you wouldn't hear on the radio would make sense.
Surely some ranters listen to current rock.
Like the cribs out of Wakefield, that album with Johnny Marr was awesome and for some good old stadium just good tune gigs the Courteeners who sang not 19 forever when we won our 20th title are a good night out.
But someone goes yeah Herbert's good but koala bears bass guatarist was amazing and everyone knows what their on about!
that's proper funny, had me howling
I listen to indie but not so much The Cribs or The Libertines. I wasn't much having them when they came out, I'm a lot more The Charlatans, Happy Mondays, Stone Roses etc
Not heard a lot of decent modern rock n roll tbh. It's still there, but there's not a lot of ideas in it for me. But I prefer it to all the modern fucking quiet electro shite that's being knocked out.
A big part of the problem is, the industry doesn't much give a shit about "scene" music any more... it promotes what it controls, and it doesn't control, "the scene"... Simon fuckhead Cowell has more clout, and more musical exposure than the entire underground, indy scene...
If you want to find good, new music, you have to be looking for it in the city centres... won't find much on the radio, or MTV... I can't be arsed with clubs any more, so don't really know what the fuck is going on... my loss, for sure, but having said that, my generation had the best 10/15 years in music history, and I've got a collection of nearly 2000 albums, that spans everything from Samuel Barber to Iggy Pop, from Jon Hassel to Tool, Miles Davis to Massive Attack, The Beatles to Radiohead...
Not short of good tunes...
This is the crux of it, Alf. Everything nowadays is just market-driven for short-term exposure and maximising on that one hit. If that one hit comes (and that's far from a certainty when so much shit is being moulded into something competitive) then maybe they'll get a shot at a second hit. If that comes, well, maybe they can become a sensation. If it doesn't then bye bye...
It's pretty much always been the case that "pop music" is marketed at young, teenage girls and I don't have an issue with that, really. Once upon a time that sort of thing could support an industry that would take a punt on some nutcases doing something truly different and no one knew what they were doing - and to a point, didn't care too much as long as the pop was bringing in the money.
At some point the accountants realised that the industry was just wasting money on stuff that you might call "niche" or even stuff that had quite a wide appeal. The money was on teenage girls and their fickle interests.... but this happened at least as far back as the late 70s, early 80s.
Call me a snob, Zebs, but that track you initially posted was a rip-off of Grauzone's incredibly niche track from 1980. I think it's an important historical point that informed a lot of club stuff that came much later. Sadly, a lot of that later stuff just wrung as much fast cash out of "updating" (at best) and ripping off (at worst) stuff that was, arguably, better and more vital. I wouldn't be at all surprised to find that the rip-off you posted made loads more money than Grauzone ever did.