Marco Van Basten.."Rule changes?"

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Harry at last someone who agrees with me regarding offside,it plays no part in the modern game ,what is it all about ? Trusting a half fit amateur running along the line ,often too far away from the action ,if his view is not obstructed and not half as fast as the athletes, and GUESSING whether someone is a toe nail offside,its fucking hilarious,the WC ,CL ,PL final can be decided on this !
I often raise it in the boozer to create the debate and I have yet to hear one sensible argument in retaining it.
Moreover esp in Amateur football with no linesmen where its just pot luck .
Will it happen ,will it fuck refs/ blazers run the game and want more control not less.
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I can't see how scrapping the offside rule would work... it would dramatically change the way the game is played... there'd be panic in the back line, and it would become a game that favoured speed over skill... might as well sign Bolt...

I like his 8 second penalty idea though... and you just can't disagree with him that football is being ruined by money...
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Would it not just open the pitch right up?
You'd have teams keeping their defense in their own 18 yard line and rest of the players would have the whole pitch....
Don't think it would work tho.....I think it would just make the smaller teams really park the bus even more.

Would be interesting to see it tested somewhere for a season
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Snoopcousins wrote:Would it not just open the pitch right up?
You'd have teams keeping their defense in their own 18 yard line and rest of the players would have the whole pitch....
Don't think it would work tho.....I think it would just make the smaller teams really park the bus even more
Aye, the lesser teams would still park the bus... but what would happen, is they'd put a speed merchant on the centre line, and just lump balls over the top, and let him race for it... and it would probably work as well... it's a change that would favour the pinned back teams, and that would probably become a tactic of even the better teams...
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Yeah, but that's a different argument Harry... it's not the rule that's the problem, it's that refs are fucking it up... I agree that these mistakes can have a critical impact on the result, but that doesn't make the rule itself bad for the game... the offside rule prevents teams from just leaving a striker down the pitch waiting for a long punt... how about to counter that, we let the keeper catch the ball anywhere in his own half?

For me, the solution is clear... not necessarily popular, but clear... we need to bring in extensive video help, and we need to put the game properly on the clock as well... ball out-clock stops, ball in-clcok starts... no more added time...

I don't like his sin-bin idea either... some managers would use that as a tactic, a calculated foul... overly aggressive tackle on the star player, just to shake him up, or maybe even force him from the game, take the foul, hold out for 10 minutes, then back to full strength...
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IMO the best thing would be that there just has to be CLEAR daylight between the attacker and defender....as in any doubt and the attacker gets the benefit
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HARRY wrote:
Snoopcousins wrote:IMO the best thing would be that there just has to be CLEAR daylight between the attacker and defender....as in any doubt and the attacker gets the benefit
We've already had that rule Snoops. The problem was again down to interpretation. What some refs deemed clear daylight, others didn't. It made sense yes, but the consistency problem quickly arose.
Yep I know- but it's not pushed enough...
There's too many GUESSES by refs or linesmen - hey should basically just not guess and only give Clear decisions..... And if it was a close decision they got 'wrong' it wouldn't be as much a big deal
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HARRY wrote:Two prime examples today yet again. Wes Morgan scores own goal for Leicester but ruled out for offside which it wasn't. Koscienly for Arsenal clearly in an offside position and wins a penalty. No brainer offside, no flag. Its never ending. Instead of complicating matters with video play back why not just get rid of it? If teams want to leave goal hangers way up the pitch it means they'll be thin on the ground everywhere else which in turn means the others will have to work even harder, and that simply isn't going to happen. Coming up with countless remedies is great, but it cures nothing. Just moves it on to somewhere else. Everything else has been tried in the last 100 hundred years and its still failing miserably. There is still no credible argument to keep it. I think what they should try is bringing the 18 yard box line the whole width of the pitch, but you can only be offside inside it not outside of it. That would cut the problem down dramatically and help the game to keep flowing. And obviously cut down on the amount of piss poor decisions.
Yeah, but it's not just offsides, is it?

There is so much riding on every result, and no honour left in the game, that players are incentivised to cheat... it's not a popular idea, I know, but refs on their own just aren't capable of managing 22 players, all looking to gain an advantage by any means, fair or foul, any more...

It's not complicated, and I don't think it has to be overly elaborate either... but we need a system that has more eyes watching the game, all connected to the main ref on the pitch... it may not get every call, but we've got to start at least trying alternative systems to reduce the number of results fucked up by bad calls...
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Agree H for starters you can only be offside in the box ,whats the point of stopping the game if someone bootlace is offside on the half way line ,its just pointless nowadays.The modern game is stop start , stop start esp in international tournaments ,its boring.
Still no sensible argument to keep the outdated law, one of the best excuses was the eldest who suggested that ' all teams would do is play 8 foot players ' !!!!
Every weekend officials decide more results than they should able to .
No one can disagree with the scrapping of the law in Amateur football.
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Load of balls
Well I suppose that's the knighthood fucked.
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