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Here's a well researched and sourced article on creeping EU privatisation of healthcare https://corporateeurope.org/en/power-lo ... healthcare
Healthcare is a national competence, not the remit of the EU. Right? Yes and No. Rulings from the European Court of Justice, and the European Commission’s policies of recent years, mean that “Services delivered by national health systems are, as a rule, now considered as an economic activity”.1 For a long time, member states argued healthcare is not an economic activity, as most providers do not intend to make a profit.2 But its treatment as one means EU rules on the internal market (free movement of goods, persons, capital and services), public procurement and state aid, in principle apply to healthcare services. TheCommission’s 2011 directive on cross-border health care, partially based on internal market rules promised to expand the choice of patients in Europe.3 More fundamentally, it answers the question of whether healthcare should be publicly planned or subject to market forces.

According to academic Dr Christoph Hermann, the “public nature of healthcare provision in Europe has been challenged through a series of reforms that amount to what can best be described as the marketisation of health care.”5 The process of marketisation isn’t just the establishment of internal markets in health (ie domestically or via the EU single market); it includes outsourcing, public-private partnerships, competition between different providers, and the sale of public hospitals to private investors.
Give it 3 more years of EU membership and the NHS will be privatised. And if we leave, and have a tory government or a centrist one, it will still be privatised.

The labour/corbyn vision for brexit is to stay in the single market/customs union, so if the EU were to privatise the NHS, it would also happen under a Corbyn government - where we wouldn't have a veto, or the 2nd largest number of MEPs, or Corbyn on the European council, or his ministers in the council of the eu, or a commissioner on the european commi
The UK having a seat at the table didn’t stop them almost privatising the NHS under TTIP. It was Trump that stopped it. The EU aren't interested in british exceptionalism, and I'd like to think it's bizarre to see the liberal left arguing for it, but it's not.

I'm surprised you know what labour's position is on brexit. You must be the only one. The customs union shite was when they were trying to balance all sides. But those days are gone. Now I don't know what their position is - so many people say so many different things.

Truth is there's no hope for the NHS while capitalism exists and while the neolib branch of it is the dominant mindset of the ruling class. And you can piss about with political parties, rebranding the EU, minsters etc. but it's capitalism that has to go. Anything else is reformist. It's that stark nowadays, black & white.
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http://britainelects.com/2019/07/19/bor ... delivered/

Some interesting polling about what an election would look like if held before or after brexit is delivered. The only changes they show is a flip between the brexit party and the tories. Lab and lib dem support is unchanged. Not sure how labour rebuild from here - they got ~40% last time by uniting the centre and left around fears of a massive tory majority and mostly ignoring brexit.
You aren't half going in on socialist labour Marl. It dominates most of your posts in here, to were it seems like you're an angsty centrist whose pissed off that the socialists have taken over 'their' middle class neolib party. I'm sure that's not the case but that's how it appears.

Anyway, Labour need to switch the agenda back to domestic stuff like jobs, housing, climate etc were they kill the tories in most demographics except monied old twats. But that won't happen until brexit is done because it's all consuming.
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Yeah it's because they're the people i vote for
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Yeah it's because they're the people i vote for
Labour in the blairite neolib days or the socialist days? Because that's at the heart of the differences in opinion on brexit

It seems you're more critical of labour now the socialists are running the show than when the neolib austerity voting cokeheads were
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Oh, I voted green instead of miliband but I did vote for corbyn
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Oh, I voted green instead of miliband but I did vote for corbyn
Fair play
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Loud, obsessive, tribal: the radicalisation of remain https://www.theguardian.com/politics/20 ... oples-vote

"They hate Boris Johnson and Jeremy Corbyn. They no longer trust the BBC. They love civil servants, legal experts and James O’Brien. And now, consumed by the battle against Brexit, hardcore remainers are no longer the moderates."

Imagine if these people had been radicalised by years of brutal austerity and Tory rule instead of the oncoming price rise of a weekend in Barcelona
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Thank fuck on the 31st of October that cunt Johnson will be taking the UK out with no deal for me the sooner the better I am getting fed up of this leave won its democracy bollocks, simply fucking go and prostitute yourself to the great american dollar and the whims of The Donald but dont forget what you wish for may not be what you want at the end of the day. Enjoy your chlorinated chicken, driving your american cars because the UK Automotive Industry will basically be fucked. No doubt The Donald will build more Golf courses and treat the UK as his bitch to what he wants and do you know the sad thing your present day politicians, your Johnsons, Farages and probably that cunt Corbyn will bow down and ask if the should swallow.
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Thank fuck on the 31st of October that cunt Johnson will be taking the UK out with no deal for me the sooner the better I am getting fed up of this leave won its democracy bollocks, simply fucking go and prostitute yourself to the great american dollar and the whims of The Donald but dont forget what you wish for may not be what you want at the end of the day. Enjoy your chlorinated chicken, driving your american cars because the UK Automotive Industry will basically be fucked. No doubt The Donald will build more Golf courses and treat the UK as his bitch to what he wants and do you know the sad thing your present day politicians, your Johnsons, Farages and probably that cunt Corbyn will bow down and ask if the should swallow.
We were doing that anyway, since boston tbf. But we're soon to be joined by the EU who're revising the deadly TTIP deal with Trump. So it won't be long before EU nations have to open up their services to the yanks as well. All neolibs together.

But yeah Trump bad liberal centrist EU the saviour etc bag of shit
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