First things first, don't give the club any money. It's not hard tbf, stream the games and don't buy the tat. But obviously that alone int gonna do it.marlon wrote: ↑4 months agoAnyone?Lazarus wrote: ↑4 months agoThis is more along the lines of what i'm thinking, reaching out to other fans groups and seeing what's possible in the new social media climate, the last time around there wasn't as open a media field to play on. I know nothing about social media but i'm up for drafting a plan. But what exactly do we want to happen/change? If we can't get an agreement on here then there's no chance of interesting anyone else.
I know we all like a row and a fight on here but can we put that bollocks aside and actually think about what we want to change and how that could happen? A stake for supporters should be on the list,.How much of a stake? How it would work,? How has it worked else where? And so on.
I'm not interested in fucking about and arguing with people about this or scoring points about the normal nonsense. I'm only interested in finding out what we want, what we could change and who could help us do that. I've had enough watching the club fall apart.
I see 3 ways to get rid:
Money, so buy em out like the Red Knights (failed last time)
Protest, everything from boycotts to the excellent secretive autonomous group in 04/05 that tried to physically attack em on numberous occasions (also failed)
Political, so governments forcing clubs to give fans a meaningful stake with voting rights etc
The latter is most likely to get some popular support but it requires a massive change in attitude from people and politicians. And I know you don't want bitching and infighting but that's inevitable as what we're asking for is essentially the nationalisation of football clubs - but with fans as owners not the state. But all the time cunts vote for lib dems etc who believe businesses, services, NHS, even fucking trees should be in private hands so the rich can profit off em, they aren't going to let us have our clubs back.
Also giving fans a stake will piss off some of the richest most powerful cunts in the world who now own our clubs. Like the Mansours at City won't be happy with their customers having a say in their crucial sportwashing exercise. So governments aren't going to push this issue too hard. If the saudi's buy United, Bin Salman who owns the richest company in the world, the oil producing Aramco, then we're fucked. No one's going to upset him until the oil's running out and we've switched to other forms of energy.