matic is shite tbf

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goes under the radar but he’s megagash tbf

never even had a topic on here
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It goes under the radar because Mourinho's made worse buys like Mickey, Lindelhoof, Bailley, arguably Lukaku

And because Jose has managed to get people blaming Woodward for singing those players
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Pure plodding dogshit of a player
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He does what Jose wants....
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He plays in the position where the average supporter gives you lots of credit for being visibly runabouty and diminutive enough to get away with tackling a lot and not get pulled up for fouls (Makelele, Kante) and says you're shite if you're not runabouty and tall enough to get unfairly pulled up for fouls (Carrick, Matic, even Fellaini). Truth is that it's very hard to tell in that position if a player is playing badly or just being overrun, isolated, or expected to do too much because of bad tactics or bad positional play by CBs and other CMs.
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bman2 wrote:
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He plays in the position where the average supporter gives you lots of credit for being visibly runabouty and diminutive enough to get away with tackling a lot and not get pulled up for fouls (Makelele, Kante) and says you're shite if you're not runabouty and tall enough to get unfairly pulled up for fouls (Carrick, Matic, even Fellaini). Truth is that it's very hard to tell in that position if a player is playing badly or just being overrun, isolated, or expected to do too much because of bad tactics or bad positional play by CBs and other CMs.
This is a sensible post tbf. But right it's not the teams fault that he misplaces passes, is slow in possession, is slow to move. He's a lump, physically. It's hard for a 6ft 4 cunt to get a leg in a tackle accurately or go to ground or cover ground quickly. He's better at being in the way like Fellaini, because of his size. But top teams have shown they can just play around the cunt with quick one twos, nutmegs, feints.

It might be the case that having a lump in that position is old fashioned now. He's similar to Carrick in stature (although Carrick had a much better right foot) who did well in an era of slower football, when tops teams sat back and games were more cagey. But these days the top teams just play around the cunt. Compare him to a great player in that role, Kante, whose much better built for the role in that he's smaller, more agile, can cover ground easier and get a leg in easier. He might be get-able too as Sarri has no use for him.

But yeah, fair point about him needing help. Even Kante would need help against top teams these days when they're commiting loads of skillful players forward to try and score.
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Stick him at centre half.
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bman2 wrote:
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He plays in the position where the average supporter gives you lots of credit for being visibly runabouty and diminutive enough to get away with tackling a lot and not get pulled up for fouls (Makelele, Kante) and says you're shite if you're not runabouty and tall enough to get unfairly pulled up for fouls (Carrick, Matic, even Fellaini). Truth is that it's very hard to tell in that position if a player is playing badly or just being overrun, isolated, or expected to do too much because of bad tactics or bad positional play by CBs and other CMs.
Makelele and Kante were/are genuinely great defensively though? And yes, Matic doesn't get enough support, but in terms of tracking his own man, getting beat one on one, even getting pushed off the ball and his ability in possession is all lacking this season. Physically, he looks like he can't compete anymore. And if Mourinho wants to try a more offensive style, we need someone more mobile who is good in possession when we're playing high up the pitch to stop counters and start attacks. That's not Matic.

We don't have an ideal option but Pereira is much better on the ball and won the ball back plenty. Herrera's not much better on the ball but he is more mobile and a better ball winner. Fellaini technically a worse passer, but he moves it quicker and he's better defensively, especially on set pieces.
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marlon wrote:
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bman2 wrote:
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He plays in the position where the average supporter gives you lots of credit for being visibly runabouty and diminutive enough to get away with tackling a lot and not get pulled up for fouls (Makelele, Kante) and says you're shite if you're not runabouty and tall enough to get unfairly pulled up for fouls (Carrick, Matic, even Fellaini). Truth is that it's very hard to tell in that position if a player is playing badly or just being overrun, isolated, or expected to do too much because of bad tactics or bad positional play by CBs and other CMs.
Makelele and Kante were/are genuinely great defensively though? And yes, Matic doesn't get enough support, but in terms of tracking his own man, getting beat one on one, even getting pushed off the ball and his ability in possession is all lacking this season. Physically, he looks like he can't compete anymore. And if Mourinho wants to try a more offensive style, we need someone more mobile who is good in possession when we're playing high up the pitch to stop counters and start attacks. That's not Matic.

We don't have an ideal option but Pereira is much better on the ball and won the ball back plenty. Herrera's not much better on the ball but he is more mobile and a better ball winner. Fellaini technically a worse passer, but he moves it quicker and he's better defensively, especially on set pieces.
Not the long term answer, but Herrera would probably be better in that role.

Herrera sat at the base of a midfield 3, with Mata and Fred/Perreira in front, and Martial off the left, Sanchez through the middle, and Rashford/Lingard off the right.

Needs more quality, but with what we have now that sort of side would be better equipped to play a higher energy, attacking sort of game.
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