I didn't read your post as any more arsey than you usually areSid wrote: ↑9 months agoAn anti capitalist revolution is the answer, my friendFuB wrote: ↑9 months agoMask wearing was only ever a part of the solution. Same with lockdowns and the waste of time tiering concept. None of this was intended to eradicate covid; instead being a way to slow things down and buy time. The only way to demonstrably eradicate a pathogen is to be serious about testing, tracing and isolation and the UK govt never were. Not that it's particularly easy to do since to do it effectively i think you probably need to be a totalitarian state.bman2 wrote: ↑9 months agoDefinitely a major factor. Another problem is that tier 1 and tier 2 are basically bollocks, barely slow spread of the virus at all. So anyplace not tier 3 was not much better than being tier Trump.Sid wrote: ↑9 months agoFub, have you seen the research that shows poverty & policy is the biggest reason for covid transmission - less so not wearing face masks?
Supports what I was saying before. In poor areas the tier lockdowns haven't really worked and coronavirus has continued spreading cos you can't work from home, also lots of multi generational living, strained services, poor health & lifestyle and shitloads of pollution to name a few contributers - all of which make coronavirus more deadly. The trend is clear now and is acknowledged
by PHE https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/54250626 and others
Here's where policy is to blame: Sunak encouraging face to face consumer spending to boost the economy and sticking low paid workers on 67% furlough wages, which basically forced em back to work cos it's not enough to live on, has been catastrophic. Even on 80%, once employers had to start paying contributions after a few months in to keep their staff on furlough, many sent em back.
Obviously socio-economic factors are crucial in a population's ability to comply with any required protocols. I don't have any answers though.
Btw I didn't mean that post to sound so arsey / confrontational, it's just how it came out when I was writing it at midnight after a long day
That's a good point though, we don't want lockdowns or a totalitarian state, and neither would be necessary with an effective test and trace system. But like you say the british government was never serious about creating one. They only mentioned it to help manage the flak.
In your opinion is a third lockdown necessary? All the experts I've seen say it is, and it needs to happen today. But the gov won't do it because it's too toxic to lockdown at christmas even though it will cost thousands of lives.
Meanwhile New Zealand have had just over 2,000 infections and just 25 deaths. They've successfully managed the crisis until a cure became available which is all we ever wanted from the british posh boys, but that was too much.
Another lockdown... definitely but Boris hasn't had the balls to do it like literally everywhere else in Europe has. They've got a, so far, uncontrolled increase in cases of this new strain in the south east and it's almost certainly already circulating everywhere else. Not locking down now is fucking dumb... but not doing what's necessary is par for the course with the tories, isn't it? well, unless there's a quick buck to be made somewhere.
with respect to New Zealand, i think you do need to bear in mind it's a tiny place with a tiny population in the middle of fucking nowhere. you can't really draw comparisons but i do appreciate the government there has been far more decisive and sensible throughout.
A note on your use of the word "cure" there. There isn't a cure and a worldwide vaccination programme is just going to be chasing our tail for the foreseeable future. I fear that, just like the flu, we'll have covid circulating for the rest of our lives unless the vaccines turn out to give longer term immunity than is currently predicted. The world is looking at it like it's some sort of magic bullet but it STILL needs an effective test and trace regime in order to quash any little pockets of infection that remain. That's also on top of the fact we're going to have an unknown quantity of bellends refusing to get vaccinated... oh, and now the pope has piped up to tell the entire catholic world pfizer and moderna are better excusable for using embryo cells than astrazeneca. top work, frankie.