Not quite. It was their French temperament that was holding them back. Arsenal never had a top top team. Too many French players spoilt that broth.fat maradona wrote: ↑2 years agoThe same 'French temperament' that the Arsenal side of the 'Wenger era' had, which made them one of the best teams in the world for a while?Sid wrote: ↑2 years agoWas it the same one that won them the world cup, Dozer?FuB wrote: ↑2 years agoWhat is Varane's 'French temperament' and how did it plague Arsenal?
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There is this "quality" about French players. It's hard to explain. Perhaps they're more motivated in the international games, although I read otherwise this time, but they seem to be moody and seem to play in second gear in most games.
Look at Griezmann, Giroud and Dembele for instance, apart from our players.
Having said that Kante and Benzema are top players. But the French seem to have this risk.
Even Wenger showed signs of this problem. He was a top top manager but his temperament was his weakness. He's one of the best ever, but if I had to pick a weakness in him, it would be that French temperament. He had that delusion of grandeur. Well, he was indeed great but he thought everyone else were dumb.
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Look at Griezmann, Giroud and Dembele for instance, apart from our players.
Having said that Kante and Benzema are top players. But the French seem to have this risk.
Even Wenger showed signs of this problem. He was a top top manager but his temperament was his weakness. He's one of the best ever, but if I had to pick a weakness in him, it would be that French temperament. He had that delusion of grandeur. Well, he was indeed great but he thought everyone else were dumb.
"mY WAy oF ManAgEMenT Is THe bEsT"
Martial seems a bit “temperamental”, or inconsistent, moody, or whatever the right term is. But so is Shaw. It’s just an individual thing. The French national team in recent memory had some upheavals due to racial politics. There was a blow-up at the WC some years back, Evra was involved. But that sounded totally justified based on what I read, with the African heritage players having every reason to think there was a racial bias problem in the French FA.
If anything the English national team seems the most “temperamental” in recent memory, from the golden generation up til recently, constant drama and meltdowns at big tournaments. Southgate deserves credit for whatever he has done to get past that.
If anything the English national team seems the most “temperamental” in recent memory, from the golden generation up til recently, constant drama and meltdowns at big tournaments. Southgate deserves credit for whatever he has done to get past that.
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Keane was a double moody cunt.
Seems like we've debunked this French temperament thing. Most footie players are primadonnas and not just the French.
Seems like we've debunked this French temperament thing. Most footie players are primadonnas and not just the French.
It's almost as if racial stereotypes are a load of unnecessary bollocks. Whatever next?fat maradona wrote: ↑2 years ago Keane was a double moody cunt.
Seems like we've debunked this French temperament thing. Most footie players are primadonnas and not just the French.
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It's not just being moody though.bman2 wrote: ↑2 years ago Martial seems a bit “temperamental”, or inconsistent, moody, or whatever the right term is. But so is Shaw. It’s just an individual thing. The French national team in recent memory had some upheavals due to racial politics. There was a blow-up at the WC some years back, Evra was involved. But that sounded totally justified based on what I read, with the African heritage players having every reason to think there was a racial bias problem in the French FA.
If anything the English national team seems the most “temperamental” in recent memory, from the golden generation up til recently, constant drama and meltdowns at big tournaments. Southgate deserves credit for whatever he has done to get past that.
French football players seem to have issues when something doesn't fit their view. If it does, great. Benzema and Kante are exceptions imo. Add Lloris to that list. They've battled any adversity and come out top consistently every game. Keane and Rooney were moody but they used it to up their game.
I'd forgotten about the Evra story but he's always given his best.
Most French players presently seem like Pogba's to me. Supremely talented but struggle to deliver consistently as if someone upset them mentally just before the game.
Surely most French players don't belong to Pogba. I know he gets paid a lot but that seems excessivedozer wrote: ↑2 years agoIt's not just being moody though.bman2 wrote: ↑2 years ago Martial seems a bit “temperamental”, or inconsistent, moody, or whatever the right term is. But so is Shaw. It’s just an individual thing. The French national team in recent memory had some upheavals due to racial politics. There was a blow-up at the WC some years back, Evra was involved. But that sounded totally justified based on what I read, with the African heritage players having every reason to think there was a racial bias problem in the French FA.
If anything the English national team seems the most “temperamental” in recent memory, from the golden generation up til recently, constant drama and meltdowns at big tournaments. Southgate deserves credit for whatever he has done to get past that.
French football players seem to have issues when something doesn't fit their view. If it does, great. Benzema and Kante are exceptions imo. Add Lloris to that list. They've battled any adversity and come out top consistently every game. Keane and Rooney were moody but they used it to up their game.
I'd forgotten about the Evra story but he's always given his best.
Most French players presently seem like Pogba's to me. Supremely talented but struggle to deliver consistently as if someone upset them mentally just before the game.
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I didn't say that. Check your parsing software fubs.FuB wrote: ↑2 years agoSurely most French players don't belong to Pogba. I know he gets paid a lot but that seems excessivedozer wrote: ↑2 years agoIt's not just being moody though.bman2 wrote: ↑2 years ago Martial seems a bit “temperamental”, or inconsistent, moody, or whatever the right term is. But so is Shaw. It’s just an individual thing. The French national team in recent memory had some upheavals due to racial politics. There was a blow-up at the WC some years back, Evra was involved. But that sounded totally justified based on what I read, with the African heritage players having every reason to think there was a racial bias problem in the French FA.
If anything the English national team seems the most “temperamental” in recent memory, from the golden generation up til recently, constant drama and meltdowns at big tournaments. Southgate deserves credit for whatever he has done to get past that.
French football players seem to have issues when something doesn't fit their view. If it does, great. Benzema and Kante are exceptions imo. Add Lloris to that list. They've battled any adversity and come out top consistently every game. Keane and Rooney were moody but they used it to up their game.
I'd forgotten about the Evra story but he's always given his best.
Most French players presently seem like Pogba's to me. Supremely talented but struggle to deliver consistently as if someone upset them mentally just before the game.