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bman2 wrote:
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It seems like Ralf’s approached this as a useful fact-finding exercise. He’s taken the opportunity to get a proper look at all those players you never get a look at watching Ole’s games.
I also think he's wanted a full weeks training with as much of the first team squad as possible, and therefore kept them away from this game.
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Sid wrote:
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It will be interesting to see what kind of football we're playing when the CL resumes next year
Our last 16 opponents will be one of:

PSG
Sporting CP
Inter Milan
Benfica
Atletico Madrid
RB Salzburg
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JoelfuckingGlazer wrote:
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Sid wrote:
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It will be interesting to see what kind of football we're playing when the CL resumes next year
Our last 16 opponents will be one of:

PSG
Sporting CP
Inter Milan
Benfica
Atletico Madrid
RB Salzburg
Other than PSG that's a good collection of teams for us to try our new philosophy against. But we'll probably need a big result against a top team like them in order to get the players fully believing in the manager's plan.
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Pleased to see there was lots of learning last night for Ralph. In no particular order:
- Mata’s legs have gone. Needs to be put out to pasture...or gifted to Newcastle...
- if he wants a CB who can play the ball comfortably out of defence, the answer isn’t Matic
- VdB needs to play in a formation that gives him more scope to advance upfield (though it’s a bit harsh to judge him given how little playing time he has had)
- Greenwood is a striker with great potential if coached well
- AWB is a complete waste of space (has actually got substantially worse since the driving without a license and insurance charge)
- a couple of the kids he experimented with look like they have potential but have not been coached well
- Telles is ahead of Shaw in the pecking order
- Lingard has clearly lost interest. Shame - I thought he would jump at the chance to show he is suited to Ralph’s tactics.
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swampash wrote:
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Pleased to see there was lots of learning last night for Ralph. In no particular order:
- Mata’s legs have gone. Needs to be put out to pasture...or gifted to Newcastle...
- if he wants a CB who can play the ball comfortably out of defence, the answer isn’t Matic
- VdB needs to play in a formation that gives him more scope to advance upfield (though it’s a bit harsh to judge him given how little playing time he has had)
- Greenwood is a striker with great potential if coached well
- AWB is a complete waste of space (has actually got substantially worse since the driving without a license and insurance charge)
- a couple of the kids he experimented with look like they have potential but have not been coached well
- Telles is ahead of Shaw in the pecking order
- Lingard has clearly lost interest. Shame - I thought he would jump at the chance to show he is suited to Ralph’s tactics.
Agreed with all this.

Rangnick talked up Greenwood's technical ability last night, whilst also mentioning that he really needs him to build up a physique. I think players like Wan-Bissaka and Lingard are finished. Mata is an obvious departure.

Agree with you about Donny. I didn't think he played all that brilliantly last night, but I don't think where he featured in the system did him any favours.

I'm glad Rangnick tried this experiment with giving so many players game time.
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Yeah, a good list of observations.

Another I would add, is that I think there is a keeper there in Henderson. De Gea is 31 and though he's having a better season, I'm still no entirely convinced by him being a long term (from this point) answer. So, a loan for Henderson for this and next season is needed. Or at least, make sure if he's sold, we have a sensible buy-back option.
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Ralf’s comments after the match were interesting, as Sheesh said. Emphasized that he thinks the club needs to develop Greenwood physically and mentally, but technically he’s already excellent. Overall, I felt he was stressing the need to give game time to experienced players who hadn’t played enough, and also to younger players. Talked about giving Heston his United debut for example, said he was a great guy, accomplished, deserved it.

These kinds of comments gave me the impression that he sees the lack of rotation the past few years as a serious problem to address. Probably not just rumours then, it has probably been a big source of discontent in the squad.

Loved how he described the pattern of the game. Basically said we played the right way for the first thirty minutes, even if we made mistakes, but that we then fell back into old habits: sat deeper, got more reactive instead of proactive.

Reminds me of Gaal in certain respects. Wants to teach the team to play in the opposition’s half and control the game. But Gaal had this odd fixation on never losing possession, so the players constantly played safe passes, sideways, backwards. In contrast, Ralf is criticizing them for not playing more aggressive passes. His attitude seems to be, “if we lose the ball, fuck it, we’ll get it back”.
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I already like him way more than any other manager we've had since Fergie.
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Yeah, a good list of observations.

Another I would add, is that I think there is a keeper there in Henderson. De Gea is 31 and though he's having a better season, I'm still no entirely convinced by him being a long term (from this point) answer. So, a loan for Henderson for this and next season is needed. Or at least, make sure if he's sold, we have a sensible buy-back option.
I read Rangnick doesn't want his keeper holding on to the ball or having lots of touches. He likes his keepers to get rid of it as soon as possible. So that might go against De Gea who is set in his ways.

I also read he likes his keeper to act as a sweeper, so to be far up the pitch when the team are holding a high line. That's not De Gea's game either.

I noticed yesterday Henderson came flying out at one point to snuff out an attack. He's possibly young enough to have his game shaped more by Rangnick than Dave. He could end up being our number 1.
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Rangnick clear in what he likes and doesn't like - without individually calling the players out

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